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Wannabe Freemason is now a CT mod.

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  • #202
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Aidric wrote: »
    Credit to you tbh for reflecting maturely on your contributions and coming to a reasoned conclusion.
    The stonewall circle the wagons approach being used by others merely reflects bad on them.

    Amen to that and +1 to tbh.

    And, tbh (:D), the mental health thing wasnt the worst - im sure most of us have, at some point, questioned a posters sanity.... i know i have - the real cruel and unusual punishment was to fcuk with the guys avatar in the context of him claiming persecution & conspiracy (and where anyone with eyes could see he was a little, eh, unhinged). At best it was a little silly, at worst it was incredibly cruel abuse of an Admin's powers. Yet noone has bothered to say 'hands up, it was out of order'. That's all that most people want - we are not looking for sackcloth & ashes.


  • #203
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    I can see both sides of this.

    On one hand this was how people who started to foam at the mouth and cause a ruck us were treated, for a very long time on the site. Be a troll add nothing but strife and trouble to the site and you'd get the piss ripped out of you.
    There is nothing on this thread which I haven't seen a few times over but was a lot more prevalent when the site was a lot smaller and everyone knew the track record of the troll/ranter. It would not have been out of place from when I joined up until late about 2007.

    The more wound up someone got over nothing and more vitriol they spilled the more it would be defused with laughter and jokes at their expense, espicall if they abused the privilege of posting on the site and broke the site rules.


    On the other hand boards has changed a lot over the few years, it's grown and grown and we now have a populous of posters who don't know the history and reputations of most of the posters, we have people who post in a pocket of a few forums and it is how a collective of communities. The rules have been tightened up and written down.

    We have posters who don't know the old days of ripping the piss out of trolls
    and posters for shíts and giggles. A lot of the time it was like mates tying one person's shoe laces together when they had been snotty or grumpy or mean, but as this place grown and admins and mods are expected to tow the lines and keep the new standards and more and more people don't know the people and personalities behind the mod/catmod/admins there will be more and more questions.

    And what was once par for the course can seem out of place to people who join the site in the last 2/3 years. And then there are those who were bitter and some of them ex mods who never miss a chance to have a go, and again a lot of posters don't know their history either.

    We have also had a new type of poster hit the site, ones which have had to be permabanned from forums or the site due to their obsessions with certain topics, be it from pi/ri as they refuse to get help and just keep starting thread after thread on thier 'problem' with out doing anything about it or getting professional help and then they move on to anywhere else they can derail a thread to talk about that, or that they are soapboxing on a pet topic and doing the same.

    They never seem to take it well when we say sorry you are being cut off.
    All their frustration and rage then gets targeted at mods and the site in general when they don't get way.

    There are some people just not suited for the site, who just don't get it and for their blood pressure's sake and the sanity of others they need to be banned.

    Most of which again posters won't know, won't have seen the build up of posts after post and thread after thread, bans after infractions and after warnings.

    And even if there was a procedure to lodge an official complaint about a poster being made mod, they wouldn't take it. They want to throw a hissy fit in a very public way, cause as much disruption and leave chaos in their wake when they leave. But so many of them see to go slamming the door behind them and then try and reinvent themselves only to give the game away as they get back on the same soap boxes or indulge in the same pity part all over again which gets them spotted.

    So if in changing an avatar to infuriate so that they leave and never come back, is that acceptable?

    3/5 years ago I would have said yes, these days even with more and people signing up so the % of that type of person increases, I am not so sure any more.


  • #204
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    So if in changing an avatar to infuriate so that they leave and never come back, is that acceptable?.

    That's a red herring, surely; everyone could see from about page 2 of this thread that the guy was going to be sitebanned anyway. That was inevitable. What happened was simply a case of tying the shoelaces of a dead man walking.

    You are also ignoring the fact that it seemed clear that this guy wasnt a troll in the strictest sense. He had issues and anyone shuld have seen that.


  • #205
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    More like letting Demon play Russian Roulette and the Mods and Admins handed him the Gun

    Everytime the Gun clicked the powers that be laughed

    Until Bang


  • #206
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    I can see both sides of this.

    I appreciate you taking the time to post the lenghty response, and please don't take this the wrong way but I can't see too many mods/admins coming to the rescue of some unknown user to them in a helpdesk thread with "he was only having a bit of craic when he insulted him about his cancer"..."Think of the good ol days....

    This is the first definition of bullying I found:
    Bullying is a form of abuse. It comprises repeated acts over time that involves a real or perceived imbalance of power with the more powerful individual or group abusing those who are less powerful.[2] The power imbalance may be social power and/or physical power.

    Lets call a spade a spade, it was bullying. Worse it was committed by people who are supposed to be role models on how we behave on the site. Worse again it was committed against someone who the consensus on seems to be that he was suffering from a mental illness. Worse still, the bullying (avatar/sig change) was a) initially denied b) defended c) minimised. And to top it all off not a hint of wrongdoing by the site has even been hinted at DESPITE all this.


  • #207
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    drkpower wrote: »
    That's a red herring, surely; everyone could see from about page 2 of this thread that the guy was going to be sitebanned anyway. That was inevitable. What happened was simply a case of tying the shoelaces of a dead man walking.

    I am just asking a question, doesn't mean I agree or disagree with the position posed.
    drkpower wrote: »
    You are also ignoring the fact that it seemed clear that this guy wasnt a troll in the strictest sense. He had issues and anyone shuld have seen that.


    He behaved in a troll like manner.
    How are the mods to know if someone has issues?
    Should we lower the standards expected on this site, re constructive posting, not derailing threads, not flaming on threads, obeying mod warnings and instructions cos someone has issues?

    While I may have some sympathy for people, and I usually take more time then usual to try and explain, there comes a time when enough is enough.
    If a person can't learn or does not wish and is constantly disruptive then it will end up with catmods and admins involved and they are fore the most part patient people who will take a lot of time with posters, but time and patience is not endless and no one want to be plagued by pms, and spend most of their time dealing with a handful of pita posters.

    There are two in particular who I banned from the forums I mod and they went out on feedback just like deamonspawn (in one case serveral times). They both stalked me, hurled abuse and tried to tell people how nasty and callous I am, to get people to email spam me and to shun me and tried to shame me on email lists and other onlines sites I use and on my blog and on other people's blogs/site where boards was mentioned.

    Seriously stalkery unhinged stuff, and they both re reg here every now and then and get spotted as they post on the same group of topics in the same way time and time again and then get banned and even if I have nothing to so with the ban assume I ratted them out and a whole new cycle of stalking/abuse starts again.

    While boards.ie is mostly populated with intresting, witty intelligent people we still get a few clangers, there is some truth after all to the myths about weridos on the internet.


  • #208
    FarmerGreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭FarmerGreen


    demonspawn
    join date April 2010
    Posts 1,406

    Gentleman, I think you've just been had.
    By an expert.


  • #209
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    FarmerGreen wrote: »
    demonspawn
    join date April 2010
    Posts 1,406

    Gentleman, I think you've just been had.
    By an expert.

    :confused:


  • #210
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Should we lower the standards expected on this site, re constructive posting, not derailing threads, not flaming on threads, obeying mod warnings and instructions cos someone has issues?

    Eh, isnt this the point some of us are making.......?!:confused: I am simply stating that an additional reason not to lower your standards was because of the OPs possible issues.


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  • #211
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    drkpower wrote: »
    :confused: Do you think changing his avatar was a light hearted April 1 style pulling of the leg?
    Yes, actually.
    We have some people saying here that it was clear the guy had mental health issues - and then we have you saying it was all in good fun?
    If the guy actually said he had mental health issues that cause normal social interaction to be damaging to him, I'd like to know why he wasn't immediately site-banned for his own good. Seriously. We have rules on this site about giving medical advice and about giving psychological advice. Look them up. They're there for a bloody good reason - namely that we don't have trained psychologists or doctors on staff, and even if we could find them, no competent professional would ever treat or advise a patient in a forum like this one.

    If you're really worried about this poster's mental health, you're looking for completely the wrong measures to be taken here.


  • #212
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    WIZE wrote: »
    First insult to a Mod , Admin or poster is a ban
    You really haven't read this site much if you believe that...


  • #213
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Sparks wrote: »
    Yes, actually. .
    Thats just a nonsense, which anyone can see.
    Sparks wrote: »
    If the guy actually said he had mental health issues that cause normal social interaction to be damaging to him, I'd like to know why he wasn't immediately site-banned for his own good. Seriously. We have rules on this site about giving medical advice and about giving psychological advice. Look them up. They're there for a bloody good reason - namely that we don't have trained psychologists or doctors on staff, and even if we could find them, no competent professional would ever treat or advise a patient in a forum like this one. If you're really worried about this poster's mental health, you're looking for completely the wrong measures to be taken here.

    :confused:Im not sure what alll of that is about? What mesures do you think I am looking for?


  • #214
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Sparks wrote: »
    If you're really worried about this poster's mental health, you're looking for completely the wrong measures to be taken here.

    I don't think so, I think that the point being made is not to wind up someone who is throwing a mega strop. Like telling an angry ansty teenage who is het up over how life is unfair by telling him that his hair cut does make him look like a girl or that he will have that acne until he is in his 20s. It tips them over the edge unnecessarily.

    Then again some parents do that hoping to derail the strop or to fan the flames so it burn out quicker, but it's a risky gambit even if you know the child/teen/person and can watch the reactions.


  • #215
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    drkpower wrote: »
    Eh, isnt this the point some of us are making.......?!:confused: I am simply stating that an additional reason not to lower your standards was because of the OPs possible issues.

    By lowering of standards I mean putting up with more shít from them/making more effort, then you would with an average poster as they seem to or have said that they have issues.

    But I get your point.


  • #216
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    drkpower wrote: »
    Thats just a nonsense, which anyone can see.
    Set forth your reasoning. Because I look at this and see a prank and nothing more.
    :confused:Im not sure what alll of that is about? What mesures do you think I am looking for?
    I think you're looking for the Admins/Mods to treat someone with self-confessed serious mental health issues with kid gloves. I'm all for abolishing the social stigma attached to the mere mention of the words "mental health", but if someone (as the OP reportedly did) says they have serious mental health issues, where normal social interaction can cause damage, then they should not be here, for their own sakes.


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  • #217
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    Sparks wrote: »
    Set forth your reasoning. Because I look at this and see a prank and nothing more. I think you're looking for the Admins/Mods to treat someone with self-confessed serious mental health issues with kid gloves. I'm all for abolishing the social stigma attached to the mere mention of the words "mental health", but if someone (as the OP reportedly did) says they have serious mental health issues, where normal social interaction can cause damage, then they should not be here, for their own sakes.

    Sparks if I insulted a poster do I get an Infraction


  • #218
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    By lowering of standards I mean putting up with more shít from them/making more effort, then you would with an average poster as they seem to or have said that they have issues.

    But I get your point.

    Absolutely; the guy deserved a ban and should have been banned; its the little pre-ban fun 'n games cheerled by a bunch of Mods & Admins which I thought was entirely unnecessary and very very unfair. It was only compounded by the fact that most sensible could see that the guy had issues; in that context, the actions of the Admins were pretty dispicable. And the failure to man up to that is sad.


  • #219
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    I don't think so, I think that the point being made is not to wind up someone who is throwing a mega strop.
    I don't think I can agree strongly there - if that someone is a teen or a child, hell yes, it'd be sadistic to wind them up; but even then there's a line beyond which people can't go even in mid-strop (and with adults, there's not even the leeway that childhood or teen status gives). Holmes' rules apply (the right to swing your fist ending at the point of the other guy's nose and all that). If you come onto a public forum and throw a strop where you scream and shout at people, and they make a joke back at you (as opposed to say, screaming back, banning you from spite, or doing something more malicious), well I think you'd be getting off lightly.


  • #220
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Some here really need to consult the First Rule of Holes.

    tbh seems to have learnt something from this thread which is good (thoughly slightly astonished he needed prompting to be honest)

    Now will the admin who was indulging in an ill-judged piss-take please stand up?


  • #221
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    WIZE wrote: »
    Sparks if I insulted a poster do I get an Infraction
    Depends on the forum and the insult, but the sanction generally runs from nothing at all (Thunderdome) to a mod editing your post and sending a PM asking you to follow the charter, to a warning, an infraction or an outright ban. It's very dependent on both the insult and the context.


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  • #222
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Sparks wrote: »
    Set forth your reasoning. Because I look at this and see a prank and nothing more. I think you're looking for the Admins/Mods to treat someone with self-confessed serious mental health issues with kid gloves. I'm all for abolishing the social stigma attached to the mere mention of the words "mental health", but if someone (as the OP reportedly did) says they have serious mental health issues, where normal social interaction can cause damage, then they should not be here, for their own sakes.

    I already have set forth my reasoning in detail. In summary, it is only a jibe and a joke if both sides see the funny side; it was clear immediately that the OP did not.

    If they shouldnt be here, ban them. Everyone agrees with that. Not treating someone with kid gloves does not equate to ridiculing them, pointing to their mental health issues in public & breaking site rules to do so.


  • #223
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    So whats the rule for trolling in feedback and whos the mod or Admin for this forum


  • #224
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Sparks wrote: »
    I don't think I can agree strongly there - if that someone is a teen or a child, hell yes, it'd be sadistic to wind them up; .

    Or someone with already acknowledged mental health problems and who anyone with sense could see had, at the least, some issues and a serious dose of paranoia? Was it sadistic to wind such a person up or fair game? Would it have been better to ban the guy and move on?


  • #225
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Sparks wrote: »
    I don't think I can agree strongly there - if that someone is a teen or a child, hell yes, it'd be sadistic to wind them up; but even then there's a line beyond which people can't go even in mid-strop (and with adults, there's not even the leeway that childhood or teen status gives).

    Which is based on the assumption that adults are more emotionally mature then children and teens. There are a fair few 'adults' who never emotionally mature beyond that of a young teen.
    Sparks wrote: »
    Holmes' rules apply (the right to swing your fist ending at the point of the other guy's nose and all that). If you come onto a public forum and throw a strop where you scream and shout at people, and they make a joke back at you (as opposed to say, screaming back, banning you from spite, or doing something more malicious), well I think you'd be getting off lightly.

    If the poster had of behaved in the exact same way but was a CTer who was far to interested in Zion and it's related conspiracies, would it have been fair to change their avatar and tag line to the Israeli flag, knowing it would cause a melt down?


  • #226
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Sparks wrote: »
    Set forth your reasoning. Because I look at this and see a prank and nothing more.

    Funny how only mods and admins can see it as a prank...

    Funny how anyone can see it as a prank really when someone is getting insulted over their mental illness that one or more members of the boards royalty thinks...

    Admin A: "I think now would be a really good time to pull a hilarious prank and change a user of this forum that we runs avatar to something that will infuriate them."

    Admin B: "Yeah, good idea, sure we are untouchable here anyway". But who will we prank.

    Admin A: "How about that chap with the admitted mental health problems? that is about to be site-banned"

    Admin B: "I don't know, he seems to displays signs of paranoia, won't it make it worse?"


    Admin A: "teeheee heee"

    Some pranksters you lot are, fair play to you's


  • #227
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    WIZE wrote: »
    So whats the rule for trolling in feedback and whos the mod or Admin for this forum

    LoLth, Trojan


  • #228
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Funny how only mods and admins can see it as a prank...

    Like I mentioned changing a person's nick, avatar and sig has been done for giggles on the site for years, esp back when the site was smaller and a lot less mainstream and before it could be found on google searches.

    But as I have said times have changed and there are other issues at play here then doing this as a prank, but I can understand the frustration with that poster after he bacame a time sink for mods, cat mods and admins.

    I do agree that he should have been site banned before that happened
    hence the question do we lower the standard for people who seem to have issues, how do we tell if a person will get the learning curve or if someone is a lost cause cos they can't/won't learn what type of behaviour is acceptable on the site and adjust?

    Or is it that the site is so big now it takes a while before such posters be the trolls or not, are given a finally warning and then site banned?

    Are mods/catmods/admins being too soft?
    It's a hard one esp when they get told they are too swift and merciless, rock and a hard place.


  • #229
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    The "Mods are a big gang out to get everyone" comments aren't totally helpful really... Plenty of mods don't get caught up in threads like this.


  • #230
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Like I mentioned changing a person's nick, avatar and sig has been done for giggles on the site for years, esp back when the site was smaller and a lot less mainstream and before it could be found on google searches.

    But as I have said times have changed and there are other issues at play here then doing this as a prank, but I can understand the frustration with that poster after he bacame a time sink for mods, cat mods and admins.

    I do agree that he should have been site banned before that happened
    hence the question do we lower the standard for people who seem to have issues, how do we tell if a person will get the learning curve or if somone is a lost cause cos they can't/won't learn what type of behaviour is acceptable on the site and adjust?

    Or is it that the site is so big now it takes a while before such posters be the trolls or not, are given a finally warning and then site banned?

    Are mods/catmods/admins being too soft?
    It's a hard one.

    Too soft? Hardly. The abuse handed out was described as "fair game" by a representative of your site. If it was such a harmless prank who is responsible?

    Regardless it was no prank, that only works if it was friendly. This was the schoolground equivalent of a group of big kids holding down the "different" kid while the rest kicked lumps out of him. There was no niceties involved, it was bullying plain and simple.

    Y'know what? forget what I just said. It's not like that at all. It's more like a group of teachers holding down the "different" kid and kicking lumps out of him. And then when the parents come to complain the teachers close rank and all they get is "bullying? what bullying?"..."He deserved it!"..."Ah shure it was just a joke".


  • #231
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Dudess wrote: »
    The "Mods are a big gang out to get everyone" comments aren't totally helpful really... Plenty of mods don't get caught up in threads like this.

    Your right. And I should make this clear - my comments in this thread are based on what I have seen in this thread alone as I have nothing else to go on really. So I apologise if i have been generalising.


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  • #232
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I meant in general though, not specifically you. :)


  • #233
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Too soft? Hardly. The abuse handed out was described as "fair game" by a representative of your site. If it was such a harmless prank who is responsible?

    Regardless it was no prank, that only works if it was friendly. This was the schoolground equivalent of a group of big kids holding down the "different" kid while the rest kicked lumps out of him. There was no niceties involved, it was bullying plain and simple.

    Y'know what? forget what I just said. It's not like that at all. It's more like a group of teachers holding down the "different" kid and kicking lumps out of him. And then when the parents come to complain the teachers close rank and all they get is "bullying? what bullying?"..."He deserved it!"..."Ah shure it was just a joke".

    Thats a completely over the top comparison


  • #234
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    Thats a completely over the top comparison
    Perhaps; but it is at least more accurate than trying to pass this off as a light hearted prank.


  • #235
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Too soft? Hardly.

    I mean in general as a collective and not specifically in this thread.

    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    The abuse handed out was described as "fair game" by a representative of your site.

    It is not my site it is a site I post on and give a hand in some of the forums.
    If you are saying it is my site then it's yours too.
    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    If it was such a harmless prank who is responsible?

    I am only a mod in the forums which I mod and I don't have the rank and privileges as an admin, which is what is needed to check and see who did it.
    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Regardless it was no prank, that only works if it was friendly.

    That I do agree with, what is a prank between two friends, can be bullying between two who are not friends.


  • #236
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    We will see over the next few days

    When /IF Trojan and LoLth look through this thread

    Will we see Infractions beside Mods & Admins names for trolling

    Also will and Avatar incident be taken into Account

    The OP got Banned for what he was Writing will the Mods and Admins get pulled up on it


  • #237
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Your right. And I should make this clear - my comments in this thread are based on what I have seen in this thread alone as I have nothing else to go on really. So I apologise if i have been generalising.

    You have been, cos I certainly asked people to drop the comments about the posters mental health yesterday at 6pm, oh yeah last time I looked I was a mod :p

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67955493&postcount=31


  • #238
    seannash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    just wanna say that yes alluding to his mental health was bad but its no worse than what he was alluding yekahs to be.


  • #239
    uprising2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    It's all fun and game's until Demonspawn emerges from the Bog and stick's a hatchet into a brother's head on Molesworth Street on a meeting night.

    Whoever did it should have the ball's to admit it here, if not they're just a faceless coward, so who was it???

    He made a lot of valid point's on many thread's, including the Kamikaze one.


  • #240
    Duiske
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭Duiske


    aurelius79 wrote: »
    Oh dear, permanent site ban. Did I strike a nerve? Well, this is far from over. Better ban my ip quick.

    DS

    Was this post just more aurelius BS, or was he and Demonspawn one and the same ?


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  • #241
    Richard tea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Richard tea


    RopeDrink wrote: »
    The OP went off on an abusive, destructive, threatening and OTT crusade against the entire website, made several claims regarding 'silent attacks' in order to weed out the lecherous 'wannabe freemasons' tampering with his abilities on the website (some of the OP's claims were impossible), logged on to an alt account to slate the (inevitable) decision made against him after he had broken probably every rule in the book and people are getting riled up over a possibly altered avatar and comments regarding mental health?

    Granted, I found the mental comments quite cringeworthy and it's not something I'd ever say but thats just me. However it was a very relevant factor and it was clearly going to get mentioned given the OP's posting style and his own mention of said issues elsewhere.

    As someone who was at the recieving end of the Avatar & Nickname Change prank many many years ago (to memorable & comic effect) even I'm not totally convinced it was indeed an Admin who performed it. A way was mentioned how the OP could have still done it themselves and everyone dismissed it instantly, crying for blood. Even if it was done by an Admin, I can safely say it was done purely out of jest though wether that sits well with individuals is up to them - Me, personally, I don't think much of it in comparison to what the OP performed in this thread against the entire website itself using an account that was 100% guarantee'd a permanant ban even before the avatar changed (and of which may have very well been done by the OP).

    Not here to condone or condemn anything here as I find the entire thread pretty galling and cringeworthy from all angles - Still, I think people read way too deep into things.

    Just my opinion, not that it matters - I don't see why this thread is still open, to be perfectly honest.


    Thats very nice. So are we going to find out what Admin screwed up, come on, dont be shy:o


  • #242
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    RopeDrink wrote: »
    The OP went off on an abusive, destructive, threatening and OTT crusade against the entire website, made several claims regarding 'silent attacks' in order to weed out the lecherous 'wannabe freemasons' tampering with his abilities on the website (some of the OP's claims were impossible), logged on to an alt account to slate the (inevitable) decision made against him after he had broken probably every rule in the book and people are getting riled up over a possibly altered avatar and comments regarding mental health?

    I think everyone is aware of what the OP has done. He has been site banned. Justifiably. Nothing left to say on the matter.
    RopeDrink wrote: »
    Granted, I found the mental comments quite cringeworthy and it's not something I'd ever say but thats just me. However it was a very relevant factor and it was clearly going to get mentioned given the OP's posting style and his own mention of said issues elsewhere.

    So cringeworthy yet very relevant? This despite the fact that every single post that called into question his mental state goes directly against the boards guidelines.

    Are we to assume that from here on in all comments made to posters who anyone else considers somehow unhinged are "fair game" and "very relevant"?
    RopeDrink wrote: »
    As someone who was at the recieving end of the Avatar & Nickname Change prank many many years ago (to memorable & comic effect) even I'm not totally convinced it was indeed an Admin who performed it. A way was mentioned how the OP could have still done it themselves and everyone dismissed it instantly, crying for blood. Even if it was done by an Admin, I can safely say it was done purely out of jest though wether that sits well with individuals is up to them - Me, personally, I don't think much of it in comparison to what the OP performed in this thread against the entire website itself using an account that was 100% guarantee'd a permanant ban even before the avatar changed (and of which may have very well been done by the OP).

    I'm sorry but the whole "good-natured prank" notion is a total and obvious cop-out.

    Unless you wan't people to somehow believe that a user here can have his sanity and intelligence questioned here and then at the very same time someone good naturedly decided to cheer him up right before they banned him for good with a tiny licckle prank.

    Which (I seen it with my own eyes) continued after the obvious aggravation it was causing the user.

    Quite obviously it was a lot more vindictive than you let on and a flagrant abuse of power.
    RopeDrink wrote: »
    Not here to condone or condemn anything here as I find the entire thread pretty galling and cringeworthy from all angles - Still, I think people read way too deep into things.

    Just my opinion, not that it matters - I don't see why this thread is still open, to be perfectly honest.

    Well IMO if the thread is locked it would be seen as a shameless attempt by the site to brush the matter under the carpet to protect one of their own.


  • #243
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    Thats a completely over the top comparison

    Don't you get it? What has happened was not just disrespectful to demonspawn; it was disrespectful to all users who attempt honestly to abide by the rules.


  • #244
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,603 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    RopeDrink wrote: »
    As someone who was at the recieving end of the Avatar & Nickname Change prank many many years ago (to memorable & comic effect) even I'm not totally convinced it was indeed an Admin who performed it. A way was mentioned how the OP could have still done it themselves and everyone dismissed it instantly, crying for blood. Even if it was done by an Admin, I can safely say it was done purely out of jest though wether that sits well with individuals is up to them - Me, personally, I don't think much of it in comparison to what the OP performed in this thread against the entire website itself using an account that was 100% guarantee'd a permanant ban even before the avatar changed (and of which may have very well been done by the OP).

    So basically the OP did it to himself? Or if he didn't and an admin did do it, it was for the lols and it's no big deal?

    Way to have it every which way.

    I don't think it's that big a deal either, but it was a major brain fart by whoever did it. Indeed this whole thread is a bit of a throwback to the old feedback that we appeared to have moved away from. Bullying, deriding and ridiculing an OP who clearly couldn't defend themselves


  • #245
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    RopeDrink wrote: »
    ... Granted, I found the mental comments quite cringeworthy and it's not something I'd ever say but thats just me.

    No, it's not just you. It's what should be expected of everybody, and what we get from most people.
    However it was a very relevant factor and it was clearly going to get mentioned given the OP's posting style and his own mention of said issues elsewhere.

    That's the "he had it coming to him" defence, and it's simply not good enough. No matter how annoying or offensive a poster is, it is not right that he be treated in this way, especially by people who have an official position in boards.ie. There are appropriate responses to bad poster behaviour, and they do not include ridicule or calling anybody's mental health into question.
    ... Just my opinion, not that it matters - I don't see why this thread is still open, to be perfectly honest.

    Because it seems that an admin may have acted inappropriately and, instead of investigating the matter with a view to seeing if a wrong was done, a number of mods and admins are trying to deflect all criticism.


  • #246
    Mahatma coat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Well, Who didnt see this coming???????????

    In fairness Demon spawn Should have Been Banned
    When He FIRST REQUESTED IT

    Instead its the usual sh1te of gangin up on the CT Guy for Sh1ts and Giggles

    the references to the Posters mental health were bang out of Order, I do believe there is a sitewide rule on offering ANY form of Medical advice, however none of us expect to see TBH or the other Clique members censured, we know it dosent work like that, Some animals are more equal than others.

    however the thing that galls most of the people still responding to this thread is the Spineless way that (allegedley) one of the Admins messed about with his Avatar and Signature, if you didnt think it was that big a deal then Man up and admit it. Some of us do think it was a big deal, The poster should have been banned for his FIRST Abusive Post in that thread, instead some Really Brave Fcukers thought it would be more fun to turn him into the butt of one of their jokes for the amusement of a small clique here on boards, no one is defending DemonSpawns actions, but Someone needs to answer a few questions as to why it was allowed to continue in the first place


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  • #247
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    What about all the snide remark's over his mental state? Absolute disgrace some of the comment's made against him . Demonspawn was in the wrong and his level of abuse towards some posters and Mods' was bang out of order and he deserved his ban, but still some of the things that were said were deplorable. Is any action going to be taken agaisnt the poster's who made these comments, surely the most vicious of these commenter's deserve a ban? One poster in particualr deserves a ban for their horrible comments, at this stage Im not going to name names or report them Im interested to see if the Mod's and Admin's are going to do the right thing and ban them off their own bat..we shall see.


  • #248
    Mahatma coat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    I have PM'd an Admin to Ask if they can shed some light on the avatar situation


  • #249
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    demonspawn wrote: »
    And there it is, what we've all been waiting for.

    Please don't include me in your rantings.


  • #250
    Frisbee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,570 ✭✭✭✭Frisbee


    Just a point on AvatarGate.

    We're actually going to believe Demonspawn that his avatar was being changed not by him?

    And that his User CP was disabled? Afaik you can't even disable a single user's CP.


  • #251
    Pookah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Pookah


    Frisbee wrote: »
    Just a point on AvatarGate.

    We're actually going to believe Demonspawn that his avatar was being changed not by him?

    And that his User CP was disabled? Afaik you can't even disable a single user's CP.

    It's been dissected already, ad nauseum.

    He's not a subscriber, therefore couldn't have had a custom avatar.


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