Advice for buying a used .223 or similar

Tackleberrywho · 11-09-2010 12:17AM

Ezri
a second hand remmy will be got same price as second had CZ

I'm a snob
I don't like CZ, i think they are ugly.

That is my opinion**
However CZ are good value for money.
But CZ have less "pimping" ability

The idea appeals to me that a Rifle can be tweaked to teh users pocket over time, so the user can end up with a serious rifle without having to put all the money up front.

Rifles are a taste matter you know a man that said he wanted to throw a Savage FTR in a skip yet his son loved them.

I love Remington, but yes i have tweaked them all.
A Remington VSSF II is €1200
They are a savage varminter, and they are far more "pretty" than a CZ

The Brno I owned (pre CZ) was far better made than the modern CZ

i have fired, stripped and cleaned both so i ma only talking from experience, the BRNO I owned was a target Rifle. Redic heavy but was a ten-X machine, my best score 193 but a guy shot 197 with it prior to I owning it.

but Both CZ were not "pretty"
I love my Bling and if the OP wants to sell on, Remington sell easier

It wasn't me! · 11-09-2010 12:34AM

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I love my Bling and if the OP wants to sell on, Remington sell easier

Not here they don't. Maybe in the US with its adoration of domestic product, but certainly not here.

Cass · 11-09-2010 12:40AM

I'm a snob
I don't like CZ, i think they are ugly.

Fair enough, everyone is different.

However CZ are good value for money.
But CZ have less "pimping" ability

See thats the problem. I bought mine for one reason and one reason only, Foxing. If i wanted a rifle that could shoot targets at 500+ yds then i buy a .223 target rifle. As i have said before no rifle will do both hunting and target work perfectly. You loose something in each. Not a great target rifle, but good hunter and vice versa.

The idea appeals to me that a Rifle can be tweaked to the users pocket over time, so the user can end up with a serious rifle without having to put all the money up front.

Again a fair point, but the OP is looking for a decent second hand rifle now. Unless he posts again saying he wants something he can upgrade later then i go on the premise that he wants a hunting only rifle.

Rifles are a taste matter you know a man that said he wanted to throw a Savage FTR in a skip yet his son loved them.

I assume you are refering to my father and his recent lack of faith in his shooting. As you seen that day the rifle shot 5 bulls in a row at 600yds. Its the shooter that has the issue not the rifle. Plus its a Palma not the FTR. Also both are for target work and target work only. He cannot use it for hunting and has no desire to "pimp" it as it has everything he needs, hence the reason he bought it and not a Remmy that he could get for €1200 then spend €2000 over 6 months upgrading to end up with what he has already

I love Remington, but yes i have tweaked them all.
A Remington VSSF II is €1200
They are a savage varminter, and they are far more "pretty" than a CZ

Personal choice and i don't criticise you for your views. If it comes down to pretty or good shooter you know what i'm going for.

but Both CZ were not "pretty"

Refer to point above. You didn't like the look of it yet is shot very well. I'm sure when in a competition you can take solace when you finsh 2nd or 3rd that your rifle is nicer than the guy who took first with the "ugly" gun.

I love my Bling and if the OP wants to sell on, Remington sell easier

I would never buy a rifle with resale value in mind. I would never choose. All of them loose money. I buy what i want if its what i want.

At the end of the day there are better rifles than Remmy. There are better rifles than CZ. Savage and especially Tikka seem to be edging ahead. Looks count for nothing if the rifle cannot perform. The OP seems to want a cheap yet functional second hand rifle, that works, performs, is reliable, etc. As mentioned previously unless he states he wants to upgrade shortly after buying then i'll stick with my previous endorsement and tell him to go with Tikka/CZ.

Tackleberrywho · 11-09-2010 12:51AM

ezridax wrote: »

Fair enough, everyone is different.

See thats the problem. I bought mine for one reason and one reason only, Foxing. If i wanted a rifle that could shoot targets at 500+ yds then i buy a .223 target rifle. As i have said before no rifle will do both hunting and target work perfectly. You loose something in each. Not a great target rifle, but good hunter and vice versa.

Again a fair point, but the OP is looking for a decent second hand rifle now. Unless he posts again saying he wants something he can upgrade later then i go on the premise that he wants a hunting only rifle.

I assume you are refering to my father and his recent lack of faith in his shooting. As you seen that day the rifle shot 5 bulls in a row at 600yds. Its the shooter that has the issue not the rifle. Plus its a Palma not the FTR. Also both are for target work and target work only. He cannot use it for hunting and has no desire to "pimp" it as it has everything he needs, hence the reason he bought it and not a Remmy that he could get for €1200 then spend €2000 over 6 months upgrading to end up with what he has already

Personal choice and i don't criticise you for your views. If it comes down to pretty or good shooter you know what i'm going for.

Refer to point above. You didn't like the look of it yet is shot very well. I'm sure when in a competition you can take solace when you finsh 2nd or 3rd that your rifle is nicer than the guy who took first with the "ugly" gun.

I would never buy a rifle with resale value in mind. I would never choose. All of them loose money. I buy what i want if its what i want.

At the end of the day there are better rifles than Remmy. There are better rifles than CZ. Savage and especially Tikka seem to be edging ahead. Looks count for nothing if the rifle cannot perform. The OP seems to want a cheap yet functional second hand rifle, that works, performs, is reliable, etc. As mentioned previously unless he states he wants to upgrade shortly after buying then i'll stick with my previous endorsement and tell him to go with Tikka/CZ.

Style is nothing without substance

for teh €2-500 mark a CZ is a great start.

And i have to say I "love your dad" in a "non gay way"
You two are so the same and yet sooooooo different.

Your Savage is a "savage" set up

If the OP has only €500 to spend get a CZ

But if i were to start again a Howa or Remington action and EDI stock and a Kreiger short barrel "fluted varminter. For madraí Rua i'd trim her to 18" and put an ASE S7 on her.

Either that or an Anschutz .223 Just for foxing!

bunny shooter · 11-09-2010 01:11AM

O/P a CZ 527 is what ya want

The one Pat has for sale would do you a treat I reckon

Ezri & IWM...............you're wasting your time

Tac, as Anschutz have only just released their first .223 I doubt it will be a cheap option :rolleyes:

Tackleberrywho · 11-09-2010 01:16AM

bunny shooter wrote: »

O/P a CZ 527 is what ya want The one Pat has for sale would do you a treat I reckon

Ezri & IWM...............you're wasting your time

Tac, as Anschutz have only just released their first .223 I doubt it will be a cheap option :rolleyes:

True bunny Patsats .223 is the cheapest option

bunny shooter · 11-09-2010 01:19AM

And IMO the best option for what he/she wants.

And before you start again ............ I have a remmy VSSF too :rolleyes:

Tackleberrywho · 11-09-2010 01:32AM

bunny shooter wrote: »

And IMO the best option for what he/she wants.

And before you start again ............ I have a remmy VSSF too :rolleyes:

For sale

I know Bunny, tis recessionary times, i remember fellas not caring about price, i saw 6 blasers and 2 unique Alpines sold in a week

Seems so long ago now

Hopefully it will return soon!

bunny shooter · 11-09-2010 01:48AM

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

For sale

Not anymore

Hondata92 · 11-09-2010 05:06AM

@OP, in the title of this thread you say .223 or similar and in you post you mention ammo cost is a factor.

IMO if you are after something to shoot foxs at less than 200yards and nothing else then yes a .223 is perfect for you, but stay away from the real cheap ammo such as american eagles as you get what you pay for and personally i think its dirt. As for FMJ (full metal jacket) ammo it should be allowed in this country as it just zips through anything you might try to shoot in the field.

If you want a calibre that will easily shoot foxs to 400+yard that flat shooting and bucks the wind well then id personally recommend the .204 ruger round, a 39gr .204 has very little drop and easily puts down foxs. Not as popular as the .223 as its only really a new round but its going places and fast.

Ammo is roughly 20-25 euro a box but unlike cheap .223 rounds its very consistent and from what ive heard (might not be true) but the guards are making it harder for people to get the likes of a .223 as its practically the same as the military 5.56mm

Most manufacturers are doing a .204 rifle these days and even though they might be more expensive to bu in the long run i think they ar a better round for in the field.

As for the whole remigntom modular issue in this thread, they arent modular simple as. It was mentioned here about people buying remingtons and scrapping all but the action, simple fact is that the action is the only part worth using, they reason they are popular in america is because they are so mass produced and people change everything except the action.

Most gun builders in this country use remington astions as they can improve on them beyond belief as the tollerances from factory are so slack, they change the barrels and stocks, if not they have to atleast bed the stock

If i was to buy a factory box rifle with no intentions of changing anything on it but wanted it to shot whilst still being on a budget id pick sako,tikka,cz or weatherby

All this is my opinion but im sure a few people here will agree with me

noodle650 · 11-09-2010 02:49PM

€500 would be my budget for gun, then a few extra for a mod and scope.

.223 is cheap and effective, but range would be more effective with the likes of a .204 so im told, all i want is something light, that will shoot nice groups at 200, and be able to take a foxy out to 300 if required!

i really do like the cz527 with synthetic stock and carbine barrel, two of my frriends have one and they both shoot like a dream!

basically, as long as it can do the above out of the box or off the shelf ill be happy.

it needs to be synthetic aswell.

Thanks guys

Cass · 11-09-2010 07:21PM

Hondata92 wrote: »

............. but stay away from the real cheap ammo such as american eagles as you get what you pay for and personally i think its dirt. ....................

Some good points there and i agree with all except the above piece.

Personally i use American Eagle (among others) and from the get go they have been the most consistant, accurate and reliable round i've used. Granted they are a little dirtier than the Hornady, Federal, etc, but for zeroing or just a good day out blowing off a few rounds they are perfect. Plus cleaning equipment (mops, patches and oils, etc) are not that dear.

Other than that good post. Thanks.

Vegeta · 11-09-2010 09:42PM

ezridax wrote: »

Some good points there and i agree with all except the above piece.

Personally i use American Eagle (among others) and from the get go they have been the most consistant, accurate and reliable round i've used. Granted they are a little dirtier than the Hornady, Federal, etc, but for zeroing or just a good day out blowing off a few rounds they are perfect. Plus cleaning equipment (mops, patches and oils, etc) are not that dear.

Other than that good post. Thanks.

I would agree

Friend put 5 rounds of AE into 2.5 inches last week at 300 yards. Now while that will never win any target competitions it is certainly good enough for fox.

virminhunter · 12-09-2010 01:21PM

I dont know from experience but this looks like a fairly decent .223 to me, it weighs 6.9 pounds though, thats the same weight as my cz kevlar...
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/

virminhunter · 12-09-2010 01:36PM

Vegeta wrote: »

I would agree

Friend put 5 rounds of AE into 2.5 inches last week at 300 yards. Now while that will never win any target competitions it is certainly good enough for fox.

yep their a great round, like ez said its handy to "zero" with these then you just need to make a small adustment for your ballistic tips for hunting...:)

Vegeta · 12-09-2010 07:58PM

Nice group

Not far off 0.5MOA, we should keep this thread for the next time someone slags the cheap .223 ammo

More than capable

bunny shooter · 13-09-2010 10:39AM

Hondata92 wrote: »

......As for FMJ (full metal jacket) ammo it should be allowed in this country...........

Should ONLY be sold to someone who can prove they are target shooting with it.

+1 on the rest :cool:

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