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CRP on Rosslare Rail Line

  • 07-09-2010 05:09PM
    #1
    save the rail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭


    Irish Rail have been granted permission to suspend services on condition they faciliate Community Rail Partnership, so effectively the line will close for a short while until the new company is ready to take over, so good news guys, decent service by a company who will run a service to suit passengers


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  • #2
    Lenny Lovett
    Closed Accounts Posts: 920 ✭✭✭Lenny Lovett


    save the rail wrote: »
    Irish Rail have been granted permission to suspend services on condition they faciliate Community Rail Partnership, so effectively the line will close for a short while until the new company is ready to take over, so good news guys, decent service by a company who will run a service to suit passengers
    Tell us more please.


  • #3
    save the rail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭save the rail


    The NTA granted IR permission to suspend services on the Rosslare Line on condition that they facilitate a Community Rail Partnership, maintain the line and provide adequate bus services. The CRP will work with the community and with the rail operator to provide a decent service. We are currently working with 2 companies who are very interested in taking over the line.


  • #4
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    save the rail wrote: »
    Irish Rail have been granted permission to suspend services on condition they faciliate Community Rail Partnership, so effectively the line will close for a short while until the new company is ready to take over, so good news guys, decent service by a company who will run a service to suit passengers
    which line? dublin-rosslare or limerick junction-rosslare? who are the company involved?


  • #5
    save the rail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭save the rail


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    which line? dublin-rosslare or limerick junction-rosslare? who are the company involved?

    Rosslare - Waterford minimum but could possibly be extended. At the moment company names will not be released until the company that gets the tender is notified and announces it.


  • #6
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    well considering the replacement bus service has not been figured out yet it will be years not months before anything like tender applications come from it imho


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  • #7
    save the rail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭save the rail


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    well considering the replacement bus service has not been figured out yet it will be years not months before anything like tender applications come from it imho

    what has the replacement bus service got to do with anything???


  • #8
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    save the rail wrote: »
    what has the replacement bus service got to do with anything???
    they cant suspend the trains until they have an adequate bus service in place and when it is they will be in no hurry to do anything else!


  • #9
    save the rail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭save the rail


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    they cant suspend the trains until they have an adequate bus service in place and when it is they will be in no hurry to do anything else!

    They will have bus sorted out quick enough as they want rid of the line. We have the companies line up to take over


  • #10
    penexpers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭penexpers


    save the rail wrote: »
    They will have bus sorted out quick enough as they want rid of the line. We have the companies line up to take over

    Would be interested to know what these new companies see in the line compared to IR. Reading the NTA report, it states that SERA never did a cost benefit analysis on increased services and that the numbers presented by SERA for increased services don't stack up with the catchment areas for the service.


  • #11
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    i am not raining on the plans which will be most welcom in the wexford waterford area but just advising not holding your breaths while irish rail have any involvement.


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  • #12
    OurLadyofKnock
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    save the rail wrote: »
    Irish Rail have been granted permission to suspend services on condition they faciliate Community Rail Partnership, so effectively the line will close for a short while until the new company is ready to take over, so good news guys, decent service by a company who will run a service to suit passengers

    Sounds too good to be true. Would be delighted it this was true. But I cannot see how the technical and union stuff can be ironed out at all?


  • #13
    OurLadyofKnock
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    save the rail wrote: »
    They will have bus sorted out quick enough as they want rid of the line. We have the companies line up to take over

    Just seems to be moving too fast to be bringing this up so soon?


  • #14
    flyingsnail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭flyingsnail


    Have invitations for tenders been issued?


  • #15
    save the rail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭save the rail


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    i am not raining on the plans which will be most welcom in the wexford waterford area but just advising not holding your breaths while irish rail have any involvement.

    Irish rail wont have any involvement. They have announced 18th sept as lst day the train will run.


  • #16
    save the rail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭save the rail


    penexpers wrote: »
    Would be interested to know what these new companies see in the line compared to IR. Reading the NTA report, it states that SERA never did a cost benefit analysis on increased services and that the numbers presented by SERA for increased services don't stack up with the catchment areas for the service.

    IR figures are wrong they based them on census figures which are 4 yrs old, hundreds of houses have been built in bridgetown, rosslare ect those numbeers were never taken into consideration. The other companies can see potential for high passenger numbers, links with ferries ect.


  • #17
    biatas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭biatas


    save the rail wrote: »
    Irish rail wont have any involvement. They have announced 18th sept as lst day the train will run.

    I'm not surprised they are moving so quickly, they cant wait to get rid of the line. :rolleyes:


  • #18
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    This I will believe when I see it and if it lasts for longer than six months. Unless of course, there is a Government subvention, like the one that keeps several useless regional airports open. If the taxpayers end up paying for a private company to run a service that nobody uses, it will be another notch for the gombeen politicians.


  • #19
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,431 ✭✭✭markpb


    save the rail wrote: »
    Irish rail wont have any involvement. They have announced 18th sept as lst day the train will run.

    Would Irish Rail not be responsible for the upkeep of the track and signalling equipment even though the trains are being operated separately?


  • #20
    Partizan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Partizan


    Great to see positive news regarding the futurte of the line and that there are 2 companies with a solid interest in the line. However call me a sceptic but I'll see it when I believe it. :D

    Seruious though, this line has huge potential and the private operator would use the line to gain a foothold on other services: Wexford-Waterford (intercity), Rosslare Harbour - Limerick Junction and Rosslare Harbour-Bray.

    Could be exciting times.


  • #21
    Partizan
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    markpb wrote: »
    Would Irish Rail not be responsible for the upkeep of the track and signalling equipment even though the trains are being operated separately?

    I imagine an arrangement could be made where the private operator runs the services and owns the rolling stock while leasing it off IE who in turn would maintain upkeep on foot of some sort of subsidy until costs are down to a minimum. The private company in time could even take control of the line and begin investing in it.


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  • #22
    OurLadyofKnock
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    Partizan wrote: »
    I imagine an arrangement could be made where the private operator runs the services and owns the rolling stock while leasing it off IE who in turn would maintain upkeep on foot of some sort of subsidy until costs are down to a minimum. The private company in time could even take control of the line and begin investing in it.

    One major and I believe issue which can't be dealt with is the Cult of CIE.

    Many of the trainspotters on this board would die for CIE mangement. 72 Chicken Dinners in Heaven and all that.


  • #23
    save the rail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭save the rail


    OurLadyofKnock wrote: »
    One major and I believe issue which can't be dealt with is the Cult of CIE.

    Many of the trainspotters on this board would die for CIE mangement. 72 Chicken Dinners in Heaven and all that.

    OMG are they still on about the dinners? :rolleyes:


  • #24
    steamengine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    Partizan wrote: »
    Great to see positive news regarding the futurte of the line and that there are 2 companies with a solid interest in the line. However call me a sceptic but I'll see it when I believe it. :D

    Seruious though, this line has huge potential and the private operator would use the line to gain a foothold on other services: Wexford-Waterford (intercity), Rosslare Harbour - Limerick Junction and Rosslare Harbour-Bray.

    Could be exciting times.

    +1......although the CRP project is not without potential pitfalls, there is a similar success story around the corner in Cork. That is the 'peoples' co-op initiated ferry service to and from Swansea, now up and running (MV Julia).

    Just because IR have been shown up to be apathetic regarding Rosslare, doesn't mean that the CRP will not be a runner, particularly when ferries are entered into the equation.

    Could be exciting times - I'll echo that ! :D


  • #25
    parsi
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    Will the Request for Tenders be published on etenders.gov.ie ?


  • #26
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,589 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    parsi wrote: »
    Will the Request for Tenders be published on etenders.gov.ie ?

    I'd be very suspicious if it wasn't


  • #27
    OurLadyofKnock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 558 ✭✭✭OurLadyofKnock


    parsi wrote: »
    Will the Request for Tenders be published on etenders.gov.ie ?

    Probably not as I suspect this entire thread is bull**** or some kind of Magical Thinking exercise by the social justice division.

    Call me cynical. But so far Save the Rail has produced nothing to back up his asseration that private rail operators are coming in.

    I suspect two reasons for this.

    A) Save the Rail is a headbanger/spoofer

    B)Save the Rail is not a headbanger but is part of a clever ruse by some people in the south west to make it look to CIE that a private operator is coming on board, and knowing well the psychotic mindset of the CIE unions it might inspire CIE to "come up with a solution" and keep the line running in IE hands.

    If it is B) then major respect.


  • #28
    OurLadyofKnock
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    save the rail wrote: »
    OMG are they still on about the dinners? :rolleyes:


    OMG when will you offer proof of your private operator "facts"?

    This thread (and you) thus far reminds me of these "Private Rail Frieght Compaines" that were starting up in Ireland and when you looked into it, the "company" was some headbanger who typed up a single page document and sent it out as a press release. Then his mammy told him his tea was ready.

    That's about how much of a private operator for the line you have presented thus far in this thread.


    Of course I could be wrong and I will offer a public apology if you are legit.


  • #29
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,431 ✭✭✭markpb


    OurLadyofKnock wrote: »
    Probably not as I suspect this entire thread is bull**** or some kind of Magical Thinking exercise by the social justice division.

    I'd say it's more likely that some politician has "promised" a company €x subvention to run the line. It will take some time to sort out, BE will enter the market in the meantime, the subvention to BE will (naturally) be lower than to the rail operator, the DoF will refuse the higher subvention and the company will run away.

    Or it's all rubbish. I can't see any private company wanting to operate a highly expensive rail line between several relatively small towns. Not without massive subsidy from the government.


  • #30
    topnotch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭topnotch


    The difference in track gauge is an insurmountable barrier in my opinion. It will require regauging at considerable cost or rental of IE equipment at an even greater cost.


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  • #31
    -Chris-
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    OurLadyofKnock wrote: »
    Many of the trainspotters on this board would die for CIE mangement. 72 Chicken Dinners in Heaven and all that.

    Can we leave the chicken dinners out of it?

    OurLadyofKnock wrote: »
    Probably not as I suspect this entire thread is bull**** or some kind of Magical Thinking exercise by the social justice division.

    Call me cynical. But so far Save the Rail has produced nothing to back up his asseration that private rail operators are coming in.

    I suspect two reasons for this.

    A) Save the Rail is a headbanger/spoofer

    B)Save the Rail is not a headbanger but is part of a clever ruse by some people in the south west to make it look to CIE that a private operator is coming on board, and knowing well the psychotic mindset of the CIE unions it might inspire CIE to "come up with a solution" and keep the line running in IE hands.

    If it is B) then major respect.

    Please stop being so personal in your posting - attack the post, not the poster.

    If Save the Rail can provide backup, great. If they can't then obviously that will draw their thread into doubt. In the meantime calling other posters headbangers and spoofers isn't on.


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