CRP on Rosslare Rail Line

dowlingm

Can't have a six piece 29K, just four or eight. Four just means same capacity as 3x22 and lower quality train.

foggy_lad

dowlingm wrote: »

Can't have a six piece 29K, just four or eight. Four just means same capacity as 3x22 and lower quality train.

use the 2800's or 2700's then, its only for a few auld passengers, they wont mind as long as they eventually get to rosslare and shure some wont be back anyway.

topnotch

Just came across this old footage on youtube of the Wexford train.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu7-2dluDSo
Not quite as good as your iphone save the rail but pretty impressive for 1902 .

Fratton Fred

Partizan wrote: »

Great to see positive news regarding the futurte of the line and that there are 2 companies with a solid interest in the line. However call me a sceptic but I'll see it when I believe it.

Seruious though, this line has huge potential and the private operator would use the line to gain a foothold on other services: Wexford-Waterford (intercity), Rosslare Harbour - Limerick Junction and Rosslare Harbour-Bray.

Could be exciting times.

hopefully they will do something crazy and off the wall, like schedule trains to coincide with ferry Sailings, rather than have a train that gets in to Rosslaire harbour 30 minutes after the last one has left, or leaves 30 minutes before the ferries arrive.

Cookie_Monster

Fratton Fred wrote: »

hopefully they will do something crazy and off the wall, like schedule trains to coincide with ferry Sailings, rather than have a train that gets in to Rosslaire harbour 30 minutes after the last one has left, or leaves 30 minutes before the ferries arrive.

something crazy like actually existing first would be a good start :P;)

dermo88

Now where was I before I was interrupted.

Ok, one CIE employee alleges on the board that there are bonuses being paid for closing routes. This is a perverse situation, and one which leads me to regard CIE and Iarnrod Eireann to belong in a parralel universe.

Credit where credit is due, I will state that the transformation in services on the majority of the mainlines has been exceptional over the past decade, particularly in terms of frequency, and the introduction of new rolling stock. Thankfully, the investment in new signalling, renewal of track, should secure the position of the system for the next 20 years.

BUT......the old conundrum exists. Its like stating "I am not racist, but.....", and you know the rest.

The timings are still pedestrian, particularly between Dublin and Greystones. There should be scope for considerable acceleration of the new DMU sets on that stretch to the point where it should generate additional revenue. It is pointless, almost to the point of sabotage to have a DART leaving Conolly, and then a DMU going to Arklow/Gorey/Rosslare at an average speed of 40kph behind it. The average time in the mid 1990's until 1999 between Dublin and Bray was 19 minutes. The new DMU sets should easily be capable of covering Dublin to Greystones in less than 30 minutes.

This ensures that it can compete, and thats where the additional traffic can be generated.

Beyond Greystones, the relaying has made possible considerable reductions in journey times. However, the trains are being operated 30 minutes slower than is possible. I'd accept 10 minutes slower, allowing in recovery time.

Is it to save fuel?
Is it to operate to fail?

It makes no sense to me at all. As for being described as "amateur Dick Fearn's with no clue as to what goes on over the ground", I find that remark amusing to say the least.

Amusing, because its aimed to provoke an angry response. Unfortunately, I fell for that trap, responded in a very biting sarcastic manner, and paid the price.

I'd like an explanation for this strange parralel universe.

In the private sector, the aim is to perform, exceed expectations, and provide the best service possible at the best price. Maxmimise asset utilisation, attract additional revenues, and bridge the gap between revenue and expenditure.

That is not happening in CIE. However, the 10 Euro promotional fares do help. But again, the situation still exists.....lots to do, more to do.....

donvito99

dermo88 wrote: »

But again, the situation still exists.....lots to do, more to do.....

we're getting there though

topnotch

Ya one step forward and two back. Why did they have to balls up the Cork-Dublin online system,now you have to book well over a week ahead to get a ten euro fare.:mad:

loyatemu

dermo88 wrote: »

The timings are still pedestrian, particularly between Dublin and Greystones. There should be scope for considerable acceleration of the new DMU sets on that stretch to the point where it should generate additional revenue. It is pointless, almost to the point of sabotage to have a DART leaving Conolly, and then a DMU going to Arklow/Gorey/Rosslare at an average speed of 40kph behind it. The average time in the mid 1990's until 1999 between Dublin and Bray was 19 minutes. The new DMU sets should easily be capable of covering Dublin to Greystones in less than 30 minutes.

good example of this - the 1730 Wexford train has been moved back by 6 minutes to accomodate the new Dunboyne service (as it starts from Maynooth). So it now departs Connolly, Tara and Pearse 6 minutes later, but it still arrives in Dun Laoghaire and all subsequent stations at the same time it did under the old timetable. That's 6 minutes saving just between Pearse and DL because it used to run 5 minutes behind a Dart but now has 11 mins headway. Of course at DL it has to slow down to a crawl again. The 1630 departure is just as ludicrously scheduled.

Ham'nd'egger

topnotch wrote: »

Ya one step forward and two back. Why did they have to balls up the Cork-Dublin online system,now you have to book well over a week ahead to get a ten euro fare.:mad:

There are €10 seats available for tomorrow's 10 and 11 AM services so you are utterly incorrect there.

topnotch

I am talking about going from Cork to Dublin. We don't all live in Dublin you know.
If you want to go up to Dublin for the day you can no longer travel up and down for 20 euro unless you book well in advance. There was no problem until recently you could book the night before.

L1011

I'd think thats increased demand, not Irish Rail changing anything.

flyingsnail

There are €10 fares on tomorrows 05:05 and 10:30 from cork to Dublin.





As far as I know Irish rails booking system is demand based rather than time based so the price goes up as more people book the service no matter of how far in advance you book.

topnotch

No Irish rail want more dosh plain and simple. Why else did they introduce the 2 euro booking fee.

mickydoomsux

flyingsnail wrote: »

As far as I know Irish rails booking system is demand based rather than time based so the price goes up as more people book the service no matter of how far in advance you book.

Correct.

There are a certain number of seats at €10, when they go it goes up to €18 and when they go it usually goes up to booking office price.

penexpers

topnotch wrote: »

No Irish rail want more dosh plain and simple. Why else did they introduce the 2 euro booking fee.

How much money do you think they are loosing on a 10 euro from Cork to Dublin?

Ham'nd'egger

topnotch wrote: »

No Irish rail want more dosh plain and simple. Why else did they introduce the 2 euro booking fee.

If they wanted more dosh then why do they offer cheaper tickets than they have to?;)

The €2 booking fee probably is more to do with merchant banks helping themselves to part of the online charge than anything. Some airlines charge a hell of a lot more than €2 and without the luxury of a reserved seat at that:)

Transportuser09

topnotch wrote: »

No Irish rail want more dosh plain and simple. Why else did they introduce the 2 euro booking fee.

Lot's of companies have fees like this, often referred to as an 'administration charge'. It's by no means an IÉ innovation.

Transportuser09

penexpers wrote: »

How much money do you think they are loosing on a 10 euro from Cork to Dublin?

The idea of lower fares was originally brought in to help fill services with low uptake. (Which is why you generally won't find them on peak hour services). So it's a way of attracting people to use these trains. Many of these trains need to run anyway in order to balance staff. A driver who works the morning train in from Galway, for example, cannot wait in Dublin until the evening as they would be out of hours, so needs to work back in the midmorning to Galway.

foggy_lad

Any word on when the new operators are taking over these two lines or have Irish rail got their own way after all?

topnotch

Did you not hear there is an all out bidding war.

save the rail

foggy_lad wrote: »

Any word on when the new operators are taking over these two lines or have Irish rail got their own way after all?

There are 3 compaines seriously considering taking over the line. They asked for further information which has been sent on, so now we are waiting on a decision from them.

Oliver1985

In fairness for a company to make money on that line they would have to charge crazy fares!!!

Spoiler

Nobody bite my head off

save the rail

Oliver1985 wrote: »

In fairness for a company to make money on that line they would have to charge crazy fares!!!

Spoiler

Nobody bite my head off

Im sure no company would come in unless they are sure they can make it work, in fairness IR never tried to make it work

Partizan

save the rail wrote: »

There are 3 compaines seriously considering taking over the line. They asked for further information which has been sent on, so now we are waiting on a decision from them.

Excellent news. As soon as ye get the nod, I presume the tender notice will go out.

foggy_lad

save the rail wrote: »

There are 3 compaines seriously considering taking over the line. They asked for further information which has been sent on, so now we are waiting on a decision from them.

so realistically what kind of timeframe are we talking about here?

any interest from brighton?

save the rail

foggy_lad wrote: »

so realistically what kind of timeframe are we talking about here?

any interest from brighton?

If we get confirmation from one of the companies we hope to have services up and running by summer 11 at latest

foggy_lad

save the rail wrote: »

If we get confirmation from one of the companies we hope to have services up and running by summer 11 at latest

i will believe it when i see it, irish rail are not going to work with a private company that easily!

save the rail

foggy_lad wrote: »

i will believe it when i see it, irish rail are not going to work with a private company that easily!

Well all I can say is we are trying to get it sorted, if it happens great if not it wont be for the lack of trying, as for IR they have no choice in the matter, NTA confirmed that company will be allowed in and IR have to play ball

topnotch

Don't get too upset when it all unravels on you save the rail.