CRP on Rosslare Rail Line

Oliver1985

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

not on friendface/mybook/facespace, link is useless.

Not on facebook :eek:

Judgement Day

save the rail wrote: »

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1566435516108&ref=mf

Nice video - be worth something after they convert the bridge into razor blades.

dowlingm

Remember the Barrow bridge is an openable bridge like Shannonbridge used to be before they raised it as part of the reconstruction. I suspect that that may be part of the reason? Also certain types of bridges on IE have low speed limits because of their way beam design but I'm not sure if the Barrow is one of them?

The track on the bridge isn't ballasted either.

Cookie_Monster

Oliver1985 wrote: »

Not on facebook :eek:

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
no

save the rail

SRG met with IR today, it has been agreed to set up CRP with IR on the Rosslare Hbr to Gorey line. Don't worry we will also continue the work to get the new operator in for Rosslare - Waterford line.

foggy_lad

save the rail wrote: »

SRG met with IR today, it has been agreed to set up CRP with IR on the Rosslare Hbr to Gorey line. Don't worry we will also continue the work to get the new operator in for Rosslare - Waterford line.

wow that is some out of the blue announcement but it also sounds like this was on the cards even before the announcement of the closure of the waterford-rosslare line?

SRG??

save the rail

foggy_lad wrote: »

wow that is some out of the blue announcement but it also sounds like this was on the cards even before the announcement of the closure of the waterford-rosslare line?

SRG??

SRG - save the rail group, no it was not on the cards, srg met with NTA last week and were asked to work with IR on ros-gorey line

foggy_lad

save the rail wrote: »

SRG - save the rail group, no it was not on the cards, srg met with NTA last week and were asked to work with IR on ros-gorey line

but there is no closure order on that line, is this by way of appeaseing or somehow silencing the save the rail group?

save the rail

foggy_lad wrote: »

but there is no closure order on that line, is this by way of appeaseing or somehow silencing the save the rail group?

The line from gorey to ros hbr is under threat due to low passenger numbers - srg wont be silenced as IR now know.

foggy_lad

save the rail wrote: »

The line from gorey to ros hbr is under threat due to low passenger numbers - srg wont be silenced as IR now know.

really? so it was/is at risk of imminent closure? have you got anything to back this up apart from a throwaway remark from someone in irish rail about stopping the line at gorey?

save the rail

foggy_lad wrote: »

really? so it was/is at risk of imminent closure? have you got anything to back this up apart from a throwaway remark from someone in irish rail about stopping the line at gorey?

We have heard it numerous times and now the NTA have asked us to work with IR on that particular stretch with IR. We agreed to work it as we dont want to see the line go either. We are working to improves services on the line

foggy_lad

save the rail wrote: »

We have heard it numerous times and now the NTA have asked us to work with IR on that particular stretch with IR. We agreed to work it as we dont want to see the line go either. We are working to improves services on the line

i have been on trains from wexford and there really is no demand for them, they are expensive uncomfortable and take longer than the bus and the frequency is riduculous compared to the bus which goes every hour on the hour and even every two hours throughout the night! and the train does not go to the airport like the bus:)

save the rail

foggy_lad wrote: »

i have been on trains from wexford and there really is no demand for them, they are expensive uncomfortable and take longer than the bus and the frequency is riduculous compared to the bus which goes every hour on the hour and even every two hours throughout the night! and the train does not go to the airport like the bus:)

The train is faster than the bus it takes 2h40m on train takes 3-3.5 hr on bus. The train is comfortable, has a toilet,table and will soon have wi-fi on it. you also have a trolley service on it. you can also sit in groups on it rather than 2 together

save the rail

ALSO IF YOU ARE IN A WHEELCHAIR YOU DONT HAVE TO GIVE 24HRS NOTICE TO GO ON TRAINS

dowlingm

More like one more box to tick on the NTA Close-A-Route Form 11B2

"Do you try a community rail partnership?"

:rolleyes:

save the rail

dowlingm wrote: »

More like one more box to tick on the NTA Close-A-Route Form 11B2

"Do you try a community rail partnership?"

:rolleyes:

Thats what we are doing CRP community rail partnership

dowlingm

save the rail wrote: »

Thats what we are doing CRP community rail partnership

My point being I hope you're not being used by IE as a way to get Rosslare-Gorey closed even easier.

foggy_lad

save the rail wrote: »

The train is faster than the bus it takes 2h40m on train takes 3-3.5 hr on bus. The train is comfortable, has a toilet,table and will soon have wi-fi on it. you also have a trolley service on it. you can also sit in groups on it rather than 2 together

the train takes a bit longer than that or the ones i was on were just the late ones, they are all uncomfortable railcars on which i have never seen a trolley service, and you might be lucky to get a seat with a table there are only a few in each railcart, the toilets well lets just say its only three hours with your legs crossed, and i doubt irish rail will ever get wifi on anything except the couple of cork trains they trialed it on.

save the rail wrote: »

ALSO IF YOU ARE IN A WHEELCHAIR YOU DONT HAVE TO GIVE 24HRS NOTICE TO GO ON TRAINS

in many stations you must still give at least 24hours prior notice so the train can be brought in on the right platform or else they stick you in a taxi to the next accessible station! where is the dignity in that?

save the rail

dowlingm wrote: »

My point being I hope you're not being used by IE as a way to get Rosslare-Gorey closed even easier.

I doubt that, they know we wont let it go to easy & if we can improve passenger numbers they will be happy enough to keep it going.

save the rail

foggy_lad wrote: »

the train takes a bit longer than that or the ones i was on were just the late ones, they are all uncomfortable railcars on which i have never seen a trolley service, and you might be lucky to get a seat with a table there are only a few in each railcart, the toilets well lets just say its only three hours with your legs crossed, and i doubt irish rail will ever get wifi on anything except the couple of cork trains they trialed it on.

in many stations you must still give at least 24hours prior notice so the train can be brought in on the right platform or else they stick you in a taxi to the next accessible station! where is the dignity in that?

It must be many many years since you were on the ros-dub train. loads of tables plenty of room and comfortable too. All but 1 of the services have a trolley on it.

As for wheelchair access - You dont need to give notice and I have never heard or saw anyone having to be put in a taxi to next station, BUT even if that was the case that's better than the bus as the day we tried to board the bus with a wheelchair user, he was refused travel on it and left on side of road as he did not give 24hrs notice.

foggy_lad

save the rail wrote: »

It must be many many years since you were on the ros-dub train. loads of tables plenty of room and comfortable too. All but 1 of the services have a trolley on it.

As for wheelchair access - You dont need to give notice and I have never heard or saw anyone having to be put in a taxi to next station, BUT even if that was the case that's better than the bus as the day we tried to board the bus with a wheelchair user, he was refused travel on it and left on side of road as he did not give 24hrs notice.

i am talking about the wexford train not the rosslare train! the rtain from wexford is a pile of junk with filthy toilets no catering or trolley service and very few tables and will never have wifi!

and bring the wheelchair user sounds more like a stunt as most would be aware of the limitations of the bus service.

save the rail

foggy_lad wrote: »

i am talking about the wexford train not the rosslare train! the rtain from wexford is a pile of junk with filthy toilets no catering or trolley service and very few tables and will never have wifi!

The train in wexford is the train that goes to dub and ros hbr

foggy_lad

save the rail wrote: »

The train in wexford is the train that goes to dub and ros hbr

http://www.irishrail.ie/your_journey/printed_timetable_pdfs/2010/Dublin%20Rosslare%20Europort%2010%202.pdf

check out the timetable, not all trains go to rosslare and the ones that dont are awful, even the ones that do are slower than the bus much dearer and less comfortable

just to be clear on the original idea, if irish rail do not want to operate services south of gorey then this is what will happen, they will use the save the rail groug as a pawn by saying they tried every avenue but the case for closure was still too strong etc etc just like they did with waterford-rosslare.

topnotch

save the rail wrote: »

SRG - save the rail group, srg met with NTA last week and were asked to work with IR on ros-gorey line

Well it will be nice to be given a chance to do something while the line is still open . I don't think you have much to lose as in my opinion Ballybrophy to Limerick and Limerick Junction to Waterford would be more likely to be closed before the Rosslare-Gorey section.

save the rail

foggy_lad wrote: »

http://www.irishrail.ie/your_journey/printed_timetable_pdfs/2010/Dublin%20Rosslare%20Europort%2010%202.pdf

check out the timetable, not all trains go to rosslare and the ones that dont are awful, even the ones that do are slower than the bus much dearer and less comfortable

just to be clear on the original idea, if irish rail do not want to operate services south of gorey then this is what will happen, they will use the save the rail groug as a pawn by saying they tried every avenue but the case for closure was still too strong etc etc just like they did with waterford-rosslare.

Yes there are some that dont go to rosslare for example the 5:30 ex dub only goes to wexford and is not the most comfortable but all the other ones that go to rosslare Hbr are very comfy and have a trolley.

As for being used as a pawn, they didnt have us as a pawn for wat line and they closed it so we have nothing to lose by working with them to improve passenger numbers on this line in the hope of retaining it.

foggy_lad

save the rail wrote: »

Yes there are some that dont go to rosslare for example the 5:30 ex dub only goes to wexford and is not the most comfortable but all the other ones that go to rosslare Hbr are very comfy and have a trolley.

As for being used as a pawn, they didnt have us as a pawn for wat line and they closed it so we have nothing to lose by working with them to improve passenger numbers on this line in the hope of retaining it.

but as posted by topnotch and myself they are unlikely to close the line anyway as the rosslare trains are always overcrowed, would it not be better putting your efforts into sorting out a reversal of the waterford to rosslare line or has the interested parties seen it for what it really was, i hundred year old line with so much track that old it would cost far too much to keep it open?

save the rail

foggy_lad wrote: »

but as posted by topnotch and myself they are unlikely to close the line anyway as the rosslare trains are always overcrowed, would it not be better putting your efforts into sorting out a reversal of the waterford to rosslare line or has the interested parties seen it for what it really was, i hundred year old line with so much track that old it would cost far too much to keep it open?

MY POST FROM EARLIER READ:

SRG met with IR today, it has been agreed to set up CRP with IR on the Rosslare Hbr to Gorey line. Don't worry we will also continue the work to get the new operator in for Rosslare- Waterford line.



WE ARE WORKING TO GET NEW COMPANY IN ON THE LINE, WE ARE STILL IN TALKS WITH THEM

Judgement Day

There is little that can be done to improve Dublin/Rosslare services until 22000s with (retro-fitted) selective door opening are introduced, thereby allowing 6-piece sets instead of the present 3-piece. However, if this doesn't happen very soon it will be too late. 1st class would be nice too but again the six-piece railcar is needed before that can be pushed for. Can any one tell me whether the second effort at putting the SDO job out to tender has been successful?

foggy_lad

Judgement Day wrote: »

There is little that can be done to improve Dublin/Rosslare services until 22000s with (retro-fitted) selective door opening are introduced, thereby allowing 6-piece sets instead of the present 3-piece. However, if this doesn't happen very soon it will be too late. 1st class would be nice too but again the six-piece railcar is needed before that can be pushed for. Can any one tell me whether the second effort at putting the SDO job out to tender has been successful?

why dont they just put on the 29000 railcars if they want more capacity?