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Kleeneze Reps. asking for catalogue back.

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    #62
    dougie ward
    Closed Accounts Posts: 87 ✭✭dougie ward


    a simple no junk mail sticker near the letterbox solves any problems with junk mail here in galway! the kleen rep nearby always knocks on our door and never leaves one if were not there,he is a joy to deal with and very friendly.
    he never calls late or weekends and i know he does a lot of business,maybe you guys have bad reps giving others a bad name?


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    #63
    dougie ward
    Closed Accounts Posts: 87 ✭✭dougie ward


    i have approx kleeneze 150 catalogues to give away for free,will be thrown out in next few days,pm me for details,i wont deilver them but you can collect in oranmore area Galway.


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    #64
    CH3OH
    Registered Users Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭CH3OH


    dougie ward wrote: »
    a simple no junk mail sticker near the letterbox solves any problems with junk mail here in galway! the kleen rep nearby always knocks on our door and never leaves one if were not there,he is a joy to deal with and very friendly.
    he never calls late or weekends and i know he does a lot of business,maybe you guys have bad reps giving others a bad name?
    dougie ward wrote: »
    i have approx kleeneze 150 catalogues to give away for free,will be thrown out in next few days,pm me for details,i wont deilver them but you can collect in oranmore area Galway.

    Have to say the above 2 posts did give me a giggle. Are you the rep Dougie?

    EDIT: Maybe I was a bit quick to jump to the conclusion that i did......


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    #65
    eth0_
    Registered Users Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I was over at a mates this morning and noticed one of these catalogs on the table with an unclosed note: "for collection on SUNDAY AM". :eek:

    If one of these guys turned up at my doorstep at AM Sunday morning they would get a size 10. :D

    All you need to do is put the catalogue back in the plastic bag it came in, and put it on your doorstep on Saturday night.

    I think it's pathetic how some people deliberately chuck the Kleeneze catalogues in the bin - that is someone's living and they will have to purchase replacements.

    And no, I have no connections to Kleeneze.


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    #66
    IvyTheTerrible
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    eth0_ wrote: »
    All you need to do is put the catalogue back in the plastic bag it came in, and put it on your doorstep on Saturday night.

    I think it's pathetic how some people deliberately chuck the Kleeneze catalogues in the bin - that is someone's living and they will have to purchase replacements.

    And no, I have no connections to Kleeneze.

    I don't ask for them to be delivered to my house so they have a cheek to get in a huff when they want them back. They went straight into recycling in my house.


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    #67
    rubadub
    Registered Users Posts: 32,379 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    eth0_ wrote: »
    I think it's pathetic how some people deliberately chuck the Kleeneze catalogues in the bin - that is someone's living and they will have to purchase replacements.
    I think it's pathetic how some people deliberately chuck the Kleeneze catalogues in my letterbox- that is someone's choice and they will have to purchase replacements when people throw out this unwanted rubbish, and know full well the risk involved by this unsolicited littering.


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    #68
    parsi
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    I don' think it is particularly pathetic.

    I leave the catalogue back out but I don't see why a rep should get snotty if it's not left out. After all they have pushed unwanted and unsolicited material through your letterbox and it's up to the recipient to decide how to deal with it.

    We don't ask Kleeneze reps to call , we don't ask survey guys to telephone us in the evening.


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    #69
    ADAMATKIN84
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭ADAMATKIN84


    The way i see it is we wont have to put up with all this moaning anymoe because its only certain generations that are complaining. Usualy ones sat inside all day and nothing to do until they gobowling at night or to the local pension bingo. So they are a dying breed. They have nothing better to do. Theyd moan if yo didnt work and then moan if you put a catalogue through their door to try and earn money.


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    #70
    eth0_
    Registered Users Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    parsi wrote: »
    We don't ask Kleeneze reps to call , we don't ask survey guys to telephone us in the evening.

    Oh my god....:rolleyes: Have you guys honestly got nothing better to get worked up over? The Kleeneze reps don't doorstep you like door-to-door salesmen...all they do is put the catalogue through the door. If you don't want it, put it back on the doorstep!


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    #71
    axer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭axer


    eth0_ wrote: »
    Oh my god....:rolleyes: Have you guys honestly got nothing better to get worked up over? The Kleeneze reps don't doorstep you like door-to-door salesmen...all they do is put the catalogue through the door. If you don't want it, put it back on the doorstep!
    Do people really feel sympathy for spammers?

    Technically the rep could argue that the catalogues are books thus making them goods in themselves but the reality is if they ever tried legal action a judge would throw it out since the "books" are unsolicited advertisements.

    If the reps don't want them thrown out then don't leave them on people's doors without asking. End of.


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    #72
    ShooterSF
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    eth0_ wrote: »
    Oh my god....:rolleyes: Have you guys honestly got nothing better to get worked up over? The Kleeneze reps don't doorstep you like door-to-door salesmen...all they do is put the catalogue through the door. If you don't want it, put it back on the doorstep!

    I've said it in this thread before but why not do as the avon reps do? Call and ask does one want a catalog. They seem to manage fine using this system and there's no bitchin about them.


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    #73
    ADAMATKIN84
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭ADAMATKIN84


    With respect i dont know of any avon reps who knock and ask if people want the catalogue.
    Plus if they did know and ask youd always get some miserable t**t who will moan about yo asking. Some people just have nothin better to do,
    my oppinion Get a life.


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    #74
    parsi
    Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    eth0_ wrote: »
    Oh my god....:rolleyes: Have you guys honestly got nothing better to get worked up over? The Kleeneze reps don't doorstep you like door-to-door salesmen...all they do is put the catalogue through the door. If you don't want it, put it back on the doorstep!

    You just don't get the point.

    Nobody asked for this rubbish so the rubbish provider can't get on their high horse if it's dealt with by some people in a way that doesn't suit the rubbish provider. That's what the thread is about.

    We're not talking about library books or a loan of catalogue - we're talking about unsolicited material.

    As I've said I usually leave it back out but if I didn't and yer man got odd with me then I'd be in my rights to feel aggrieved.


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    #75
    rubadub
    Registered Users Posts: 32,379 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    eth0_ wrote: »
    Oh my god....:rolleyes: Have you guys honestly got nothing better to get worked up over?
    The thread was really about the kleeneze rep getting worked up. The others do not seem as worked up, this business model is the straw breaking the camels back and I really hope it does not take off in a bigger way. By throwing catalogues out it might show people it is not a viable business, and anybody considering a job knows the basis of their work, they are intrusive spammers, and they know full well they are.
    eth0_ wrote: »
    If you don't want it, put it back on the doorstep!
    My postbox is meant for 1 thing, post, from the postman, addressed to me. All the rest can go to hell, I view it the same as litter, I think it as unacceptable to post flyers or catalogues in my door as empty beer cans or sweet wrappers. I do not expect to have to come home and examine all this crap to see when I have to leave it out for the littering person to collect his crap again.

    I certainly do not want to have a collection building up on my doorstep of crap waiting for collection which may never happen. And I do not want to have to resort to putting signs on my door, I shouldn't have to, where does it end.

    eth0_ wrote: »
    The Kleeneze reps don't doorstep you like door-to-door salesmen...all they do is put the catalogue through the door.
    Maybe you missed the OP
    Amalgam wrote: »
    We had a Kleeneze catalogue shoved through the letterbox and it has since passed on to pastures new, thanks to the Recycle Bin. 2 Reps have been since, asking for the catalogue back. 1 male Rep. was told 'it was probably' in the Recycle Bin, this prompted a visit by a female Rep. 2 days later. Both seemed rather sniffly and incensed by the catalogue being recycled.

    I have no doorbell on my house and would highly recommend removing doorbells to anybody. If my next house has one I will remove it.


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    #76
    cgarvey
    Registered Users Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭cgarvey


    cowlove wrote: »
    the ones I do know are working 9-5 jobs and sometimes more than a 39 hour week but are trying to earn a little bit of extra money for holidays and the like.

    Not paying any income tax on the extra work, if the distributors I know of are anything to go by. I get the nixer thing, and having to make a few bob on top of a regular salary. Whilst illegal, I have no moral objection to that (as long as it is on top of a regular full-time salary). However, Kleeneze's business model leaves a lot to be desired. Legally it might just fit outside the pyramid scheme definition, morally, to me anyway, it certainly doesn't. The target audience, and the most loyal purchasers (suckers) tend to be the vulnerable. So, no, I'm not going to have any sympathy for them. They're not as bad as the bogus charity collectors, for sure, but they're hovering not so far from there in terms of honest living and annoyance!
    seamus wrote: »
    Unless it's addressed to you....

    I think that's the game changer there? Distance selling regulation applies to targeted selling. The book club scams all have your name and address from somewhere, don't they? The Kleeneze is not targeted, IMO, because it is not addressed and it's distributed to the entire neighbourhood at the same time. I don't think you're under any obligation in that case, and can treat it as litter, unsolicited rubbish. I could be wrong!

    One thing is for sure, don't give it back on the morning they want it and you can be sure that you'll be off "the list"! In fairness, I do try and leave them out, but I've binned one (the seller never came back after I missed the first morning; the recession has changed that, I've noticed!!).


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    #77
    John Mason
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭John Mason


    when the book comes in my door i just put it back outside with opening it or looking at it but every frikken week the rep knocks on my door when i am in the middle of make the dinner or in the shower looking for it back. i just point at it on the ground and close the door.

    last week took the biscuit, i get a knock on the door, am making dinner and there is the rep, i told her we didnt get a book last week (which we didnt) and she started crying saying that she was missing ten books and she was down €100 unless she got them all back.

    not my problem, i didnt get a book


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    #78
    t.vygantas
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭t.vygantas


    i agree with you about the expense of it. It's seriously expensive but do you understand, that people who are trying to sell it to you, they are just regular people who are working to earn money some extra 50 eur a week. I got them catalogs few times even if i didn't want anything i left it outside for them to pick it up.
    It sounds to me the same like your work in factory and your colleges doesn't like you, they are just trying to get rid of you.
    Do you really are so happy doing bad thing to other people? My opinion is: you want you buy, you don't want you don't buy.


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    #79
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    t.vygantas wrote: »
    i agree with you about the expense of it. It's seriously expensive but do you understand, that people who are trying to sell it to you, they are just regular people who are working to earn money some extra 50 eur a week.

    Door to door sales people are also just normal people doing a job, as are the people that drop off those bogus charity stickers. Should we also respect them?
    I got them catalogs few times even if i didn't want anything i left it outside for them to pick it up.

    By leaving it outside your littering your garden/drive way, if somebody drops crap through my letter box and I don't want it then it gets binned and compressed for recycling.

    Its no different to the tesco special offer leaflet tbh
    It sounds to me the same like your work in factory and your colleges doesn't like you, they are just trying to get rid of you.

    :rolleyes:
    Do you really are so happy doing bad thing to other people? My opinion is: you want you buy, you don't want you don't buy.

    Your same argument can be used for those bogus charity's, you can donate or not donate what harm does it do?

    Trying to defend spam....I thought I'd never see people do such a thing
    :rolleyes:


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    #80
    t.vygantas
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭t.vygantas


    Yes but where do you see spam here? I see only selling, the same like Avon or you think that Avon is spam too? I don't i am happy that people are trying to work not to go and steal. The person who brings me catalogs, he is unemployed and truly fights for life of his family, it's not much but he is trying to work hard for it. I don't know you sound negative.

    Ok why can't you write down on a peace of paper and stick it to the catalog that you don't want these catalogs any more. Next time i think they would not bring it to you.

    Yeah from the other side it is annoying, the best way it would if they would ask me do i want catalog or not.


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    #81
    axer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭axer


    t.vygantas wrote: »
    Yes but where do you see spam here? I see only selling, the same like Avon or you think that Avon is spam too?
    Well then I think you should look up the definition of spam. In simple terms Spam is unsolicited mail.
    t.vygantas wrote: »
    I don't i am happy that people are trying to work not to go and steal. The person who brings me catalogs, he is unemployed and truly fights for life of his family, it's not much but he is trying to work hard for it. I don't know you sound negative.
    What about the drug dealer that is forced to sell drugs to feed his family. Where is the line drawn?
    t.vygantas wrote: »
    Ok why can't you write down on a peace of paper and stick it to the catalog that you don't want these catalogs any more. Next time i think they would not bring it to you.
    Because they were not asked for in the first place. What will happen is you might let that guy know not to deliver a catalogue but then a couple of weeks later someone else might be delivering and then they must be informed too.
    t.vygantas wrote: »
    Yeah from the other side it is annoying, the best way it would if they would ask me do i want catalog or not.
    Exactly. Any spam I get goes in the bin or the fire.


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    #82
    Cabaal
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    t.vygantas wrote: »
    Yes but where do you see spam here? I see only selling, the same like Avon or you think that Avon is spam too?

    Yes they are both spam,
    They are no different to e-mails selling you viagra or watches, sure they might appeal to some people but if you don't want it then its spam

    I don't i am happy that people are trying to work not to go and steal. The person who brings me catalogs, he is unemployed and truly fights for life of his family, it's not much but he is trying to work hard for it. I don't know you sound negative.

    The person that drops those bogus charity stickers through your door is also trying to raise money, do you think this is ok as well?
    Ok why can't you write down on a peace of paper and stick it to the catalog that you don't want these catalogs any more. Next time i think they would not bring it to you.

    Exactly that "you don't think" so there's no 100% way to confirm they won't spam you again, you have to remember it costs people to recycle stuff so why should people have to accept this type of crap through their door?
    Yeah from the other side it is annoying, the best way it would if they would ask me do i want catalog or not.

    Which means if they ask you that means they ring your door and then we are back to door to door sales people, which according to your logic are fine because they are just trying to make a living


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    #83
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    t.vygantas wrote: »
    Yes but where do you see spam here? I see only selling, the same like Avon or you think that Avon is spam too? I don't i am happy that people are trying to work not to go and steal. The person who brings me catalogs, he is unemployed and truly fights for life of his family, it's not much but he is trying to work hard for it. I don't know you sound negative.

    All Avon reps in my area call to the door and ask would we be interested in taking a catalog and looking through it. That's the difference for me. Do that and I don't mind, I probably won't take your catalog but I won't end up chucking it and costing you a few quid.


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    #84
    t.vygantas
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭t.vygantas


    Drug dealers? Your r joking me. You don't feel the line than. Thats bad. Thats very bad.

    At one point of view i agree they should ring the door bell and ask you do you want it or not.

    Where do you live your self and how often do get these catalogs?


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    #85
    Cavehill Red
    Registered Users Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    How long you been working for Kleeneze, my Lithuanian friend?


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    #86
    Cabaal
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    t.vygantas wrote: »
    Drug dealers? Your r joking me. You don't feel the line than. Thats bad. Thats very bad.

    At one point of view i agree they should ring the door bell and ask you do you want it or not.

    My response to such an idiot calling to my door is to tell them to feck off,


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    #87
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    I have had charity clothes collectors banging on my door demanding their refuse sack back. They were promptly told where to go.

    Any catalogues that come through my letterbox go straight into the recycling bin. Considering I live in the middle of no where I still gets a lot of spam through the letterbox. Kebab shops, chippers, taxis and clothes bags. All in the bin for me.


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    #88
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,297 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Haddockman wrote: »
    clothes bags
    LoL. Stopped getting the bags long ago. Only get the labels now, as most people were using the bags for their bins :D


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    #89
    Mrkleenezeman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭Mrkleenezeman


    Amalgam wrote: »
    We had a Kleeneze catalogue shoved through the letterbox and it has since passed on to pastures new, thanks to the Recycle Bin. 2 Reps have been since, asking for the catalogue back. 1 male Rep. was told 'it was probably' in the Recycle Bin, this prompted a visit by a female Rep. 2 days later. Both seemed rather sniffly and incensed by the catalogue being recycled.

    There's no obligation on my part surely? I'm annoyed that they seemed annoyed. Dropping a paper catalogue through a letterbox does not signify some sort of agreement or arrangement between parties.
    Nody wrote: »
    Tell them that the dog/cat shredded it but that you'd like a chance to read it if they have a spare (then promptly bin that one as well and blame it on the dog/cat grabbing it when you did not notice from the table).

    But no, there is no obligation on you for returning their spam.

    Better still try to be a decent human being, appreciate that it's attitudes like this that cause most of the worlds problems. After all you have no idea why these people have chosen to be Kleeneze distributors, perhaps it's because they are close to having their house repossesed and are doing everything they can to stop them loosing their family home.

    Walk a mile in the other man's shoes before you condemn them!

    If you have a scrap of decency in you, all you need to do is to leave a POLITE note with the catalogue saying you don't want any more Kleeneze catalogues leaving, it's worth putting your address on it too so there's no excuse/mistakes.

    If you can be bothered, take a look at the back of the catalogue and you'll find three things of interest.

    1- the distributors name - use this to address your note directly to them.
    2- the distributors account number - make a note of this & their name for later.
    3 - the telephone number of Kleeneze.

    If after politely telling a distributor that you do not want to get the Kleeneze catalogue they continue to deliver it (i.e. the same distributor delivers again to the same address) then call Kleeneze directly and they WILL deal with them.
    After all Kleeneze is approaching a £1 Billion a year turn over, it's not some small fry company, and they DO care VERY much about their reputation.

    Please try to remember that these are real human beings, and they do have feelings.
    There is absolutely no reason to deliberately cause them harm, emotional or financial. I know that there are many people out there who really have some huge problem with getting catalogues through their doors, but you have to remeber that people in the UK and Ireland place around 100,000,000 (yes one hundred million) orders a year through Kleeneze, so it's not like no-one wants the products.
    As for the comment of Kleeneze selling a broom for 25 Euro that could be bought for 5 from Tesco, Kleeneze are the same as any large retailer - some products are cheeper than their competitors, and some are more expensive, but they don't sell any broom for 25 Euro that you could get from Tesco for 5.

    I bet there's a "we hate Tesco" blog somewhere with lots of hateful things from grundie posted on it.


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    #90
    jpb1974
    Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    then call Kleeneze directly and they WILL deal with them.

    I'm assuming it's a free phone number?
    After all Kleeneze is approaching a £1 Billion a year turn over, it's not some small fry company

    So why the big deal over a recycled booklet?


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    #91
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Exactly. Why the big deal at all?


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