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What is the Twelfth of July about ?

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  • #32
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    just give me a home,where there's no pope in rome and everyday is the 12th of july...


  • #33
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,177 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    do you have any notion that some of the most influential and important figures in Irish history were in fact protestant?
    No, but only because "Irish history" is pretty much defined in terms of opposition to anything associated with England, including the Church of England. If it hadn't been England, you'd have found some other country to oppose - otherwise, you wouldn't have much history! ;)

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • #34
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    bnt wrote: »
    No, but only because "Irish history" is pretty much defined in terms of opposition to anything associated with England, including the Church of England. If it hadn't been England, you'd have found some other country to oppose - otherwise, you wouldn't have much history! ;)

    you can't change history,bill.


  • #35
    the keen edge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭the keen edge


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    you can't change history,bill.

    We'll see about that.




    *Searches garage for flux capacitor*


  • #36
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    I think they should invite them all down to dublin for the day.

    Im sure nothing nasty would happen to them....


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  • #37
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    It's about a bunch of sectarian dinosaurs trying to make themselves feel relevant.

    While the rest of the world doesn't take the remotest bit of interest :)


  • #38
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Its an opportunity for orange rednecks to keep the hate alive.

    Yeeeeeeehaaa!!!! (Banjo music) da da ding ding ding ding ding da da......


  • #39
    Pittens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    just give me a home,where there's no pope in rome and everyday is the 12th of july...

    You probably need to make a bid on that tardis for sale in the Shankill road.


  • #40
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Pittens wrote: »
    You probably need to make a bid on that tardis for sale in the Shankill road.

    tongue in cheek honey,tongue in cheek.


  • #41
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    I doubt half of them know what they're marching for, it has fuhk all to do with Christian religions anyhow.
    the keen edge wrote: »
    It's an all encompassing celebration of social, religious and sexual freedom, where all races, creeds and people of every sexual orientations are welcomed.

    The celebrations conclude in a free for all, anything goes gangbang at each local orange order lodge.

    If attendance is not on your 'Things to do before I die' list, make sure to add it to it now.

    +1


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  • #42
    Chicken Run
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Chicken Run


    it's my little girl's birthday.


  • #43
    baldbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭baldbear


    It's about a bunch of lads celebrating the life of a gay midget King.


  • #44
    redstar6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭redstar6


    It's the only day out in the year for a bunch of sad old man and the bigots who jump on the band wagon.

    Least it's a bank hol tho so every1 up there gets a day off!

    There's orange lodges in the Republic as well...I used to live up the road from the grand master of one of them.


  • #45
    milly4ever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭milly4ever


    and the night before it is about deserted streets and sitting in your house seeing clouds of smoke rising into the air and constant helicopters overhead.


  • #46
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    baldbear wrote: »
    It's about a bunch of lads celebrating the life of a gay midget King.

    That makes it sound more fun. If they advertised it like that im sure they'd get more people involved.


  • #47
    blueser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,744 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    po020435 wrote: »
    Apart from a few freaks and BNP rejects, the average English person hasn't the slightest interest or probaly knowledge of the Orange Order.
    Spot on. I was born and brought up in sunny (?) Manchester, and I never heard of July 12th until I moved over here. Most English people would be like ''What the f***is that all about then?''


  • #48
    pow wow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭pow wow


    A day when people start knocking back their cans on the bus into town for the parades at about 10am and the offies can't be bothered carding every 16 year old who comes in for a slab.

    Oh, and very small kiddies wave very large flags.


  • #49
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Its a celebration of william of oranges victory over king james at the battle of the boyne, basically its a victory march/celebration of where protestants beat the catholics.

    Its the equivalent of me walking down the street and knocking lumps out of my neighbour because hes a different religion, then every year after that hold a victory march down his street and then complaining that he doesnt want peace!


  • #50
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    bnt wrote: »
    It happened in an era when religion was politics: of course it was "about" Protestantism, because English politics at the time was a battle of religions. The Catholic King James of England & Scotland had been deposed two years earlier (1688), replaced by the Protestant King William II, at the behest of C of E bishops.

    Part of the reason for the deposition of King James was his 1687 Declaration of Indulgence, which basically promised religious freedom in England. This didn't go down too well, since Catholics were a minority of 10% in England, and here you had a Catholic king telling the majority to behave. Bad move: by the next year he was on the run, and his final defeat at the Boyne set up the next 200 years of Protestant supremacy in Ireland.

    In some backward areas religeon is politics!


  • #51
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Its a celebration of william of oranges victory over king james at the battle of the boyne, basically its a victory march/celebration of where protestants beat the catholics.

    Its the equivalent of me walking down the street and knocking lumps out of my neighbour becaus hes a different religeon, then every year after that hold a victory march down his street and then complaining that he doesnt want peace!


    LOL!

    The grand masonic orange lodge of Ulster was formed on the 12th July 1797. Mid July is timely for many of their rituals.


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  • #52
    Barlett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Barlett


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Its a celebration of william of oranges victory over king james at the battle of the boyne, basically its a victory march/celebration of where protestants beat the catholics.

    Its the equivalent of me walking down the street and knocking lumps out of my neighbour becaus hes a different religeon, then every year after that hold a victory march down his street and then complaining that he doesnt want peace!

    I like this analogy! :D


  • #53
    milly4ever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭milly4ever


    11th night fireworks?! this is new. and all on a sunday.. tsk tsk


  • #54
    Raiser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭Raiser


    Its when Raisin Nuts "British People" that actual British People are disgusted about and hate with a passion celebrate their supposed "Britishness" while inflicting their Apelike selves upon an already put upon and abused Country where nobody wants them - while still even Britain does not even want them and so they hold Wanker Marches and hold decent Communities to ransom and Paint Union fcuking Jacks on stuff - Thugs at large and uncensored....

    - Someday there will be be an Orange Plague that only affects the low IQ Queens folk that persist like Pests to plague our Land and we will be free of their horrible taint forever.....


  • #55
    Agent_47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭Agent_47


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Its a celebration of william of oranges victory over king james at the battle of the boyne, basically its a victory march/celebration of where protestants beat the catholics.

    Its the equivalent of me walking down the street and knocking lumps out of my neighbour becaus hes a different religeon, then every year after that hold a victory march down his street and then complaining that he doesnt want peace!

    Very aptly put, enough said about it. I know one Northern franchaise is closed till wednesday for it. It should be banned for insighting hatred given that it has for over 300 years. Some history is best forgotten to allow modern civilised folk get on with each other.


  • #56
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Raiser wrote: »
    Its when Raisin Nuts "British People" that actual British People are disgusted about and hate with a passion celebrate their supposed "Britishness" while inflicting their Apelike selves upon an already put upon and abused Country where nobody wants them - while still even Britain does not even want them and so they hold Wanker Marches and hold decent Communities to ransom and Paint Union fcuking Jacks on stuff - Thugs at large and uncensored....

    - Someday there will be be an Orange Plague that only affects the low IQ Queens folk that persist like Pests to plague our Land and we will be free of their horrible taint forever.....

    Well said my good man.

    I agree with your suspicions on the low intelligence of supporters of the 12th.
    Appears to be very popular with the lower working class (basically scummers) protestants.

    I remember seeing a news report about the 'traditions' of the 12th of july on ITV a few years ago. In one bit of this program they were talking to a delightful couple who on this beloved glory day enjoyed nothing more than dressing their 2 year old child in a little jumper with the words BORN TO MARCH written across it in red letters. More like born to hate.
    Basically they were poisoning the infants mind with sectarian hatred. Probably just as their parents had done to them. Its a tradition you see.

    Fcukin pathetic.

    Thing is im sure theres plenty of progressively minded protestant folks who cringe at the whole thing.


  • #57
    Savage Tyrant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭Savage Tyrant


    "What is the Twelfth of July about?"

    Well basically the 12th is a Glorious day for strapping on a sash or a band uniform. Battering a drum and "religiously" celebrating your supposed triumphalism over your fellow man.... unless of course you aren't actually a sectarian bigot. Then it's just a day like any other.


  • #58
    Elliemental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 924 ✭✭✭Elliemental


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    Its a big orangeman-english people circle jerk tbh


    Well, the vast majoraty of English people wouldn't have a clue about the 12th July, or what it means to people here. So you're wrong on that count. It's purely an orangeman's celebration. Apparently, its' about them and their unique culture. To everyone else, its' a pain in the arse.


  • #59
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    There's a few marches here during the marching season. Never a bother.

    Some Dublin RA head staged a protest a few years back though. Laughed about now.

    Rossnowlagh is just a piss up really.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #60
    ToxicPaddy
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭ToxicPaddy


    Well in fairness they have sod all else to celebrate, so let em have their little insignificant march and wear their silly hats and scarves/sashs and play with their drums and light their bonfires.. :p

    Do I honestly care? Nope.. not really.. I have better things to be doing with my time than worrying about them.. :rolleyes:


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  • #61
    Executive Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,373 ✭✭✭Executive Steve


    Glorious day for it all the same!

    I must say, it was quite touching to see all the Irish support for the Dutch team representing the house of Orange in their soccer match against their ancient adversary the Spanish!

    Even more heartwarming that the atrocious English referee had all and sundry blaming the Brits two hours later!


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