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What is the Twelfth of July about ?

po020435

Does celebrating the victory of a Dutch King supported by the Pope over a British one have any cultural or religious significance ? Or is it just a day off for the orangemen to wear sashes and union Jack hats, listen to endless reditions of the Sash My Father Wore, get completely wasted with drink and then puke their guts out ?

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pablomakaveli

baldbear wrote: »

It's about a bunch of lads celebrating the life of a gay midget King.

That makes it sound more fun. If they advertised it like that im sure they'd get more people involved.

milly4ever

and the night before it is about deserted streets and sitting in your house seeing clouds of smoke rising into the air and constant helicopters overhead.

redstar6

It's the only day out in the year for a bunch of sad old man and the bigots who jump on the band wagon.

Least it's a bank hol tho so every1 up there gets a day off!

There's orange lodges in the Republic as well...I used to live up the road from the grand master of one of them.

baldbear

It's about a bunch of lads celebrating the life of a gay midget King.

Chicken Run

it's my little girl's birthday.

squod

I doubt half of them know what they're marching for, it has fuhk all to do with Christian religions anyhow.

the keen edge wrote: »

It's an all encompassing celebration of social, religious and sexual freedom, where all races, creeds and people of every sexual orientations are welcomed.

The celebrations conclude in a free for all, anything goes gangbang at each local orange order lodge.

If attendance is not on your 'Things to do before I die' list, make sure to add it to it now.

Celly Smunt

Pittens wrote: »

You probably need to make a bid on that tardis for sale in the Shankill road.

tongue in cheek honey,tongue in cheek.

Pittens

just give me a home,where there's no pope in rome and everyday is the 12th of july...

You probably need to make a bid on that tardis for sale in the Shankill road.

fonecrusher1

Its an opportunity for orange rednecks to keep the hate alive.

Yeeeeeeehaaa!!!! (Banjo music) da da ding ding ding ding ding da da......

johngalway

It's about a bunch of sectarian dinosaurs trying to make themselves feel relevant.

While the rest of the world doesn't take the remotest bit of interest

fonecrusher1

I think they should invite them all down to dublin for the day.

Im sure nothing nasty would happen to them....

the keen edge

pmcmahon wrote: »

you can't change history,bill.

We'll see about that.

*Searches garage for flux capacitor*

Celly Smunt

bnt wrote: »

No, but only because "Irish history" is pretty much defined in terms of opposition to anything associated with England, including the Church of England. If it hadn't been England, you'd have found some other country to oppose - otherwise, you wouldn't have much history!

you can't change history,bill.

bnt

pmcmahon wrote: »

do you have any notion that some of the most influential and important figures in Irish history were in fact protestant?

No, but only because "Irish history" is pretty much defined in terms of opposition to anything associated with England, including the Church of England. If it hadn't been England, you'd have found some other country to oppose - otherwise, you wouldn't have much history!

Celly Smunt

just give me a home,where there's no pope in rome and everyday is the 12th of july...

omen80

The 12th of July is about a bunch of men walking around northern ireland with orange sachets around their necks. Hope it rains!

Celly Smunt

sligopark wrote: »

try 310

do you have any notion that some of the most influential and important figures in Irish history were in fact protestant?

sligopark

bnt wrote: »

his final defeat at the Boyne set up the next 200 years of Protestant supremacy in Ireland.

try 310

Celly Smunt

strobe wrote: »

Do they celebrate it in the American midwest? How about in Sweden? It has nothing to do with protestantism. It is not an Irish holiday, or an English holiday, or a protestant holiday. It is a sectarian holiday, nothing more.

yes in fact,the orange lodges do.

Thomas828

TheZohan wrote: »

It's a party, everyone's invited.

Kinda like a pants party.

Yes, everyone who's British and Protestant is invited. But if you're not British or you're not Protestant then f*** off!

bnt

strobe wrote: »

Do they celebrate it in the American midwest? How about in Sweden? It has nothing to do with protestantism. It is not an Irish holiday, or an English holiday, or a protestant holiday. It is a sectarian holiday, nothing more.

It happened in an era when religion was politics: of course it was "about" Protestantism, because English politics at the time was a battle of religions. The Catholic King James of England & Scotland had been deposed two years earlier (1688), replaced by the Protestant King William II, at the behest of C of E bishops.

Part of the reason for the deposition of King James was his 1687 Declaration of Indulgence, which basically promised religious freedom in England. This didn't go down too well, since Catholics were a minority of 10% in England, and here you had a Catholic king telling the majority to behave. Bad move: by the next year he was on the run, and his final defeat at the Boyne set up the next 200 years of Protestant supremacy in Ireland.

strobe

pmcmahon wrote: »

the twelfth isn't an english holiday,its a protestant holiday.

Do they celebrate it in the American midwest? How about in Sweden? It has nothing to do with protestantism. It is not an Irish holiday, or an English holiday, or a protestant holiday. It is a sectarian holiday, nothing more.

Celly Smunt

the twelfth isn't an english holiday,its a protestant holiday.

longshanks

its about 5 hours away

longshanks

its about 6 hours away now

stupidusername

It's all a bit silly really I'd say. It's about making a point. Although I've no idea what that point is. And I don't care to know.

sligopark

feelingstressed wrote: »

Correct.
It's a busy time for hotels and B&B's in Ireland, people desert the North and a take a long weekend break.

because of the tramps marching up North and intimadating the other half of their community. At least Rossnowlagh is a family event.

mikemac

po020435 wrote: »

Don't most Catholics, and some Protestants, come down here for a few days or have the Med holiday to get away from it ?

Correct.
It's a busy time for hotels and B&B's in Ireland, people desert the North and a take a long weekend break.

po020435

Pauleta wrote: »

Its a day where loyalists have an excuse to get really drunk and to wind up republicans and republicans have an excuse to get really drunk and attack the police. All in all everyone is happy by the end of it despite what they try to make you believe.

Don't most Catholics, and some Protestants, come down here for a few days or have the Med holiday to get away from it ?

futonic

sligopark wrote: »

Rosskowlagh - a day out and fun

N. Ireland - keeping the taigs in their place

Rossnowlagh... growing up 3 miles away from, it's not that much fun, believe me.