Amhrán na bhFiann at the end of the night

super_furry wrote: »

Mostly because I don't care.

Thats a shame.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

And bigger muppets who try to start trouble over not standing or "respecting" it.

Yes, but if everyone except a few is standing up whatever, and everyone is half tanked, it is hardly worth it to make a stand (no pun) and remain seated?

Einhard wrote: »

Not explicitly, but the tone of the anthem does make some people of that persuasion somewhat uncomfortable I'm not that it should, but it does. As someone else pointed out though, many anthems are somewhat jingoistic if not outright xenophobic, but then I'd argue that most of those nations don't have the history of sectarian tensions and violence that we do.

Well that is their problem then TBH. Their insanity has fook all to do with anyone else.

They should get over their fear of a song or people standing and singing.

Anyway, my point stands. Nobody should feel compelled to stand for, or respect, any song, anthem or not.

I agree nobody should be forced to stand for it. It is the polite thing to do. If I was at an International football match, I'd have as much respect for the oppositions anthem as my own and I think anyone insulting the other team was a scumbag TBH.

At the end of the day, your birthplace isn't something you choose and it is silly to be so proud of it but you are raised in that culture and social arena so people get attached to it which is only natural. Nothing wrong with it as long as each person respects others as they expect theirs to be respected. If you don't care you can still be polite or don't be if you don't want to be.

Anyway I view the anthem in the nightclub as the I don't care where ya go but you can't stay here song of the night if its played :P

Otherwise, I guess the night is over when I'm the only one left

I agree its kind of weird having it but don't see the harm, its not like it ruins a night out. I don't really care either way TBH.

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Why does it bother you either way what people do?

I think it is just a bit of common decency to show respect for your country's anthem, and the history which is behind it.
But a nightclub is the wrong place for it to be honest.

df1985 wrote: »

Friends of mine were in a bar in belfast about a year ago, the night was going fine,they didnt think the bar was for either side, then god save the queen came on. they didnt have a clue what to do, barman came over and told them to stand up for their own good.

:eek:
they must have been somewhere really dodgy, i have never heard of that being played in a pub before! it's even banned from graduations up here.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I wont possible die or get a disease from singing the anthem.


Bit o a ridiculous comparison to be honest.

Do you stand for the anthems at sporting events?

No, not always. But then again I don't always stay sitting for them either.

Why is this such an issue?

Einhard wrote: »

Not explicitly, but the tone of the anthem does make some people of that persuasion somewhat uncomfortable I'm not that it should, but it does. As someone else pointed out though, many anthems are somewhat jingoistic if not outright xenophobic, but then I'd argue that most of those nations don't have the history of sectarian tensions and violence that we do.

Anyway, my point stands. Nobody should feel compelled to stand for, or respect, any song, anthem or not.

please point out the lines where someone of the protestant faith would have reason to be uncomfortable

Poccington wrote: »

If people were really worried about showing respect to our anthem and the history behind it, they wouldn't play it in a nightclub to a bunch of pissed people, half of whom won't know the words or will just mumble along with the music.

Exactly, thats why I said it isn't the right place for it to be played.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Exactly, thats why I said it isn't the right place for it to be played.

You said it shouldn't be played because people, whom you also described as idiots, would not stand for it.

Pace2008 wrote: »

You said it shouldn't be played because people, whom you also described as idiots, would not stand for it.

Did I? I was pretty sure I said that it was not the idea place for it to be played. Another reason why it shouldn't is that it might draw unwanted attention to a person, for whatever reason, does not stand/sing.

Einhard wrote: »

Nowehere explicitly, but nobody can deny that Amhran na bhFiann is a jingoistic song that seeks to frame Irishness in terms of one national tradition, that of Republicanism, at the expense of others. It doesn't mention any other tradition directly, but in elevating one it seeks to diminish the others, and that's what some Protestant have traditionally had problems with. Ireland was multi-cultural long before the recent immigration from Eastern Europe and elsewhere, but this is entirely ignored by our national anthem.

Again, I don't have a problem with the anthem myself, and the passage of time has increasingly dimmed the historical undertones, but there are people who feel uncomfortable saluting the song, and I see no reason why they should be compelled to do so, or why their patriotism should be questioned for not standing.

horseshit of the highest degree.

republicanism and protestantism have always been very close so to say that just because the anthem is republican in nature is some way overlooking protestants is bull :rolleyes: i suggest you read up on men by the names of emmett, tone & tandy etc..

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Did I? I was pretty sure I said that it was not the idea place for it to be played. Another reason why it shouldn't is that it might draw unwanted attention to a person, for whatever reason, does not stand/sing.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I like the national anthem, but I don't think a nightclub is the place for it, with the muppets who wont respect it or stand or whatever, surly that could only lead to trouble?

.