Amhrán na bhFiann at the end of the night

EuskalHerria · 05-07-2010 02:36AM

Einhard wrote: »

Why should he stand if he doesn't want to? He might have been foreign, Protestant or, like many, just didn't want to have some faux patriotic bull**** shoved down his throat in the middle of a nightclub. I always find it funny when I see some of those so assidious in standing in respecting the anthem, are often the first to give the gaurds **** outside the club.

What has that to do with anything? What matters a persons religion when a national anthem comes on?

I agree a nightclub at the end of a night is not the place to play the national anthem.

Einhard · 05-07-2010 02:41AM

EuskalHerria wrote: »

What has that to do with anything? What matters a persons religion when a national anthem comes on?

I agree a nightclub at the end of a night is not the place to play the national anthem.

Nothing generally, but I know an Anglican who is quite uncomfortable with Amhran na bhfiann and what he considers its somewhat xenophobic tone. It's not exactly the most inclusive of anthems in fairness.

I have no problem where it's played, but I don't think anyone should feel compelled to stand for it.

df1985 · 05-07-2010 03:59AM

Friends of mine were in a bar in belfast about a year ago, the night was going fine,they didnt think the bar was for either side, then god save the queen came on. they didnt have a clue what to do, barman came over and told them to stand up for their own good.

I know its old history to the majority and I wish everyone could move on and forget about the past but we do still live on a divided island with a violent history, and I think the playing of anthems all comes back to that.

No place for it in bars/clubs imo either though.

Xavi6 · 05-07-2010 04:37AM

SoupyNorman wrote: »

DJ in the local nightclub in college used to say "Please stand to attention for the national anthem" - then he played 'My lovely horse'. Was hilarious the first time...not so funny the subsequent 4 years.

Everyone knows that the real national anthem is this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4

Ruu_Old · 05-07-2010 04:39AM

Ah the Spinmaster!

liah · 05-07-2010 04:41AM

Happens a lot in Mullingar.

ElaElaElano · 05-07-2010 04:45AM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Gets played in Quinns at the end of the night, never pay any attention to it myself, strikes me as a bit odd.

Yeah but Quinns is full of culchies.

OH I WENT THERE.

GLaDOS · 05-07-2010 04:46AM

ElaElaElano wrote: »

Yeah but Quinns is full of culchies.

OH I WENT THERE.

Ha, could be it alright

Dravokivich · 05-07-2010 08:50AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I've lived on different parts of the coast for the years I've lived in Ireland & haven't heard it played at a club in over 15 years.

You lucky b*stard!

Lando Griffin · 05-07-2010 09:15AM

And its sung like this.....
Shin na finna fail
A thaw fian geal na heireann
Daoin sla slu la la la le la la la
La LA LA la la
hmmm hmm hm hm hmm hmmmm hm hmmm

sceptre · 05-07-2010 11:00AM

Einhard wrote: »

Nothing generally, but I know an Anglican who is quite uncomfortable with Amhran na bhfiann and what he considers its somewhat xenophobic tone. It's not exactly the most inclusive of anthems in fairness.

Very few of them are. The UK one makes explicit reference to crushing the Scots, the French one implicit reference to kicking the Austrian and Prussian armies out of France (and none too nicely), the US one celebrates blowing up of a few British boats in Chesapeake Bay, most of them are like hat. There aren't all that many "let's all have a cuddle and be happy together" national anthems. Besides, you'd never get them out of the club at the end of the night if you played that sort of thing.

caseyann · 05-07-2010 11:09AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Wherever there are skangers...

So wicklow is full of skangers is it and all our grand father and grand mothers are skangers:rolleyes: So in order to be proud to be Irish we must be skangers,Guess that goes for every country in the world then who claim to be proud of their nationality.:P

PeterIanStaker · 05-07-2010 11:18AM

These seditious displays up and down the land must be cracked down upon.

Already a Brigade of Bengal Lancers from Dublin 4 commanded by the Rt Hon. Colonel Kevin Myers, KGB, VC, WAN KR, has been dispatched to this mysterious area outside The Pale, known to some as "the Midlands", in order to appropriately knout the credulous peasants and teach them some respect . . . . .

Run_to_da_hills · 05-07-2010 11:34AM

Better Amhran Na Bfiann than Ode to Joy.

caseyann · 05-07-2010 11:37AM

A tiny bit off topic but every time i am down in tramore etc... they sing the black and tans etc.. songs and once a load of English tourists were in the pub singing with us

They also stood for our anthem

johngalway · 05-07-2010 11:42AM

Einhard wrote: »

Why should he stand if he doesn't want to? He might have been foreign, Protestant or, like many, just didn't want to have some faux patriotic bull**** shoved down his throat in the middle of a nightclub. I always find it funny when I see some of those so assidious in standing in respecting the anthem, are often the first to give the gaurds **** outside the club.

So if you're Protestant you can't be a citizen of the Republic of Ireland.

Glad I read this thread now :rolleyes:

Thepones · 05-07-2010 11:45AM

I have only come across this a few times. Once was at a wedding and some canadian girl who was with us didnt know what was going on and just kept dancing (big box-small box stylee)
Was hilarious on the video!

billymitchell · 05-07-2010 11:48AM

Happens every night in The Bird in Rialto. I'd rather it wasn't played as I find it a bit kitsch and out of place in a pub/nightclub, but I don't see any harm in it.

caroj · 05-07-2010 12:10PM

It's played in my local whenever they have music on. I do think it's abit odd as most ppl tend to ignore it or in my case kind of half slide off the stool with one leg on the ground pretending to stand and be respectful

I do stop talking thought!

Nodin · 05-07-2010 12:12PM

Einhard wrote: »

Nothing generally, but I know an Anglican who is quite uncomfortable with Amhran na bhfiann and what he considers its somewhat xenophobic tone. It's not exactly the most inclusive of anthems in fairness.

I have no problem where it's played, but I don't think anyone should feel compelled to stand for it.

Theres no protestant bashing in it.

thebman · 05-07-2010 12:39PM

I think its mostly a polite way to say get out now please rather than trying to make an announcement to a bunch of people half of whom are too drunk to listen to anything in English and this is the only way of getting the message across to them.

Maybe Dublin night clubs would have less problems if they did play it to let everyone know to get out :P

Nodin · 05-07-2010 12:42PM

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Whoa there, you're letting the truth get in the way of someone's rant!

True, I'll shut up now and go back to reading "Cromwell - Eirinns darlin'".

Contessa Raven · 05-07-2010 02:14PM

I heard it at an engagement party in Dublin there two weeks ago. Hadn't heard it before that in years!

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 02:32PM

I like the national anthem, but I don't think a nightclub is the place for it, with the muppets who wont respect it or stand or whatever, surly that could only lead to trouble?

Eddie Ere · 05-07-2010 02:55PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I like the national anthem, but I don't think a nightclub is the place for it, with the muppets who wont respect it or stand or whatever, surly that could only lead to trouble?

:rolleyes:

Einhard · 05-07-2010 05:14PM

johngalway wrote: »

So if you're Protestant you can't be a citizen of the Republic of Ireland.

Glad I read this thread now :rolleyes:

*Sigh*

That's not at all what I meant, and if you bothered to read my follow up post you'd have seen that. Glad or not, you obviously haven't read this thread.

Einhard · 05-07-2010 05:18PM

Nodin wrote: »

Theres no protestant bashing in it.

Not explicitly, but the tone of the anthem does make some people of that persuasion somewhat uncomfortable. I'm not saying that it should, but it does. As someone else pointed out though, many anthems are somewhat jingoistic if not outright xenophobic, but then I'd argue that most of those nations don't have the history of sectarian tensions and violence that we do.

Anyway, my point stands. Nobody should feel compelled to stand for, or respect, any song, anthem or not.

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 05:22PM

I see it as a sign of respect for a country, I stand much in the same way as when a funeral is going by, I will stop and stand as a sign of respect.

NUIG_FiannaFail · 05-07-2010 05:23PM

Anyone who does not stand for the anthem is most likely a labour voting liberal pinko hippy or some combination of the former. We need to get back to the days where kids learnt it off by heart properly in primary school and they knew their tuiseal ginideach from their modh coinniollach.

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 05:25PM

I don't understand why so many people don't know the words.... its not as if it is hard.

Amhrán na bhFiann at the end of the night

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