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Amhrán na bhFiann at the end of the night

mikemac

I've no doubt this was raised before but I've not seen it.

The two nightclubs in our town switch up the lights and play this at the end of the night. For as long as I've been going there it's always done.
And people stand quietly and cast dirty looks at the few people still chatting.
This is the midlands, not some border town.
Plenty of pubs do too but not all.

As for weddings in the local hotel when I was barman, maybe 50% do it.

But being in Galway, Limerick or Dublin it doesn't tend to be played at the end of the night.
Is this a rural tradition so? Does it go on in your local area?

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super_furry

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Better Amhran Na Bfiann than Ode to Joy.

Feck off! The Peggle music rules!

super_furry

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I don't understand why so many people don't know the words.... its not as if it is hard.

Mostly because I don't care.

Wolfe Tone

super_furry wrote: »

Mostly because I don't care.

Thats a shame.

GLaDOS

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

with the muppets who wont respect it or stand or whatever,

And bigger muppets who try to start trouble over not standing or "respecting" it.

Wolfe Tone

ScienceNerd wrote: »

And bigger muppets who try to start trouble over not standing or "respecting" it.

Yes, but if everyone except a few is standing up whatever, and everyone is half tanked, it is hardly worth it to make a stand (no pun) and remain seated?

ItsAWindUp

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Yes, but if everyone except a few is standing up whatever, and everyone is half tanked, it is hardly worth it to make a stand (no pun) and remain seated?

Why does it bother you either way what people do?

thebman

Einhard wrote: »

Not explicitly, but the tone of the anthem does make some people of that persuasion somewhat uncomfortable I'm not that it should, but it does. As someone else pointed out though, many anthems are somewhat jingoistic if not outright xenophobic, but then I'd argue that most of those nations don't have the history of sectarian tensions and violence that we do.

Well that is their problem then TBH. Their insanity has fook all to do with anyone else.

They should get over their fear of a song or people standing and singing.

Anyway, my point stands. Nobody should feel compelled to stand for, or respect, any song, anthem or not.

I agree nobody should be forced to stand for it. It is the polite thing to do. If I was at an International football match, I'd have as much respect for the oppositions anthem as my own and I think anyone insulting the other team was a scumbag TBH.

At the end of the day, your birthplace isn't something you choose and it is silly to be so proud of it but you are raised in that culture and social arena so people get attached to it which is only natural. Nothing wrong with it as long as each person respects others as they expect theirs to be respected. If you don't care you can still be polite or don't be if you don't want to be.

Anyway I view the anthem in the nightclub as the I don't care where ya go but you can't stay here song of the night if its played :P

Otherwise, I guess the night is over when I'm the only one left

I agree its kind of weird having it but don't see the harm, its not like it ruins a night out. I don't really care either way TBH.

GLaDOS

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Yes, but if everyone except a few is standing up whatever, and everyone is half tanked, it is hardly worth it to make a stand (no pun) and remain seated?

It's not making a stand, it's not caring. If people want to stand for it, I've no problem with it.

Wolfe Tone

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Why does it bother you either way what people do?

I think it is just a bit of common decency to show respect for your country's anthem, and the history which is behind it.
But a nightclub is the wrong place for it to be honest.

Wolfe Tone

ScienceNerd wrote: »

It's not making a stand, it's not caring. If people want to stand for it, I've no problem with it.

But from a pure safety reason, would it not simply be better to stand? No doubt some scumbags would take issue with your "not caring"

GLaDOS

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

But from a pure safety reason, would it not simply be better to stand? No doubt some scumbags would take issue with your "not caring"

If I felt that was an issue, I would yeah, thankfully I generally don't attend places where it is. Just brings me back to my original point of people who make trouble over it.

easyeason3

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

But from a pure safety reason, would it not simply be better to stand? No doubt some scumbags would take issue with your "not caring"

So would you apply the same logic if you happen to be in the company of a junkie that offers you a hit?

People have moved on with the times.

milly4ever

df1985 wrote: »

Friends of mine were in a bar in belfast about a year ago, the night was going fine,they didnt think the bar was for either side, then god save the queen came on. they didnt have a clue what to do, barman came over and told them to stand up for their own good.

:eek:
they must have been somewhere really dodgy, i have never heard of that being played in a pub before! it's even banned from graduations up here.

Wolfe Tone

easyeason3 wrote: »

So would you apply the same logic if you happen to be in the company of a junkie that offers you a hit?

People have moved on with the times.

I wont possible die or get a disease from singing the anthem.

Bit o a ridiculous comparison to be honest.

Do you stand for the anthems at sporting events?

easyeason3

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I wont possible die or get a disease from singing the anthem.

Bit o a ridiculous comparison to be honest.

Do you stand for the anthems at sporting events?

No, not always. But then again I don't always stay sitting for them either.

Why is this such an issue?

Wolfe Tone

easyeason3 wrote: »

No, not always. But then again I don't always stay sitting for them either.

Why is this such an issue?

I just think it is a piece of common decency. You are not obliged of course...

aDeener

Einhard wrote: »

Not explicitly, but the tone of the anthem does make some people of that persuasion somewhat uncomfortable I'm not that it should, but it does. As someone else pointed out though, many anthems are somewhat jingoistic if not outright xenophobic, but then I'd argue that most of those nations don't have the history of sectarian tensions and violence that we do.

Anyway, my point stands. Nobody should feel compelled to stand for, or respect, any song, anthem or not.

please point out the lines where someone of the protestant faith would have reason to be uncomfortable

Poccington

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I think it is just a bit of common decency to show respect for your country's anthem, and the history which is behind it.
But a nightclub is the wrong place for it to be honest.

If people were really worried about showing respect to our anthem and the history behind it, they wouldn't play it in a nightclub to a bunch of pissed people, half of whom won't know the words or will just mumble along with the music.

Wolfe Tone

Poccington wrote: »

If people were really worried about showing respect to our anthem and the history behind it, they wouldn't play it in a nightclub to a bunch of pissed people, half of whom won't know the words or will just mumble along with the music.

Exactly, thats why I said it isn't the right place for it to be played.

Motley Crue

feelingstressed wrote: »

Is this a rural tradition so? Does it go on in your local area?

I grew up in Dublin and never saw this happen

I think that has a lot to do with the Multi Cultural-ism of Dublin's night life and also the fact that the National Anthem is essentially a call to arms against the people who come to spend money on stag and hen nights

Pace2008

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Exactly, thats why I said it isn't the right place for it to be played.

You said it shouldn't be played because people, whom you also described as idiots, would not stand for it.

Mike 1972

Anytime Ive been in a Nightclub in the Republic ( with the exception of Dundalk) where it was played half the place stood up while the other half made a bee line for the cloakroom/taxi's

df1985 wrote: »

Friends of mine were in a bar in belfast about a year ago, the night was going fine,they didnt think the bar was for either side, then god save the queen came on. they didnt have a clue what to do, barman came over and told them to stand up for their own good..

Most bars up here wouldnt play any National anthem it if the clientèle was anyways "mixed" at all

A friend of mine nearly got lynched for not standing for GSTQ on a night out in Carrickfergus because he didnt realise what the song actually was.

He's English you see

Wolfe Tone

Pace2008 wrote: »

You said it shouldn't be played because people, whom you also described as idiots, would not stand for it.

Did I? I was pretty sure I said that it was not the idea place for it to be played. Another reason why it shouldn't is that it might draw unwanted attention to a person, for whatever reason, does not stand/sing.

Einhard

aDeener wrote: »

please point out the lines where someone of the protestant faith would have reason to be uncomfortable

Nowehere explicitly, but nobody can deny that Amhran na bhFiann is a jingoistic song that seeks to frame Irishness in terms of one national tradition, that of Republicanism, at the expense of others. It doesn't mention any other tradition directly, but in elevating one it seeks to diminish the others, and that's what some Protestant have traditionally had problems with. Ireland was multi-cultural long before the recent immigration from Eastern Europe and elsewhere, but this is entirely ignored by our national anthem.

Again, I don't have a problem with the anthem myself, and the passage of time has increasingly dimmed the historical undertones, but there are people who feel uncomfortable saluting the song, and I see no reason why they should be compelled to do so, or why their patriotism should be questioned for not standing.

aDeener

Einhard wrote: »

Nowehere explicitly, but nobody can deny that Amhran na bhFiann is a jingoistic song that seeks to frame Irishness in terms of one national tradition, that of Republicanism, at the expense of others. It doesn't mention any other tradition directly, but in elevating one it seeks to diminish the others, and that's what some Protestant have traditionally had problems with. Ireland was multi-cultural long before the recent immigration from Eastern Europe and elsewhere, but this is entirely ignored by our national anthem.

Again, I don't have a problem with the anthem myself, and the passage of time has increasingly dimmed the historical undertones, but there are people who feel uncomfortable saluting the song, and I see no reason why they should be compelled to do so, or why their patriotism should be questioned for not standing.

horseshit of the highest degree.

republicanism and protestantism have always been very close so to say that just because the anthem is republican in nature is some way overlooking protestants is bull :rolleyes: i suggest you read up on men by the names of emmett, tone & tandy etc..

Dudess

Mucksavagery of the highest order.

Agricola

The Anthem has its place and being played to an audience of mostly drunk people in a pub or a club isnt it.

Einhard

aDeener wrote: »

horseshit of the highest degree.

republicanism and protestantism have always been very close so to say that just because the anthem is republican in nature is some way overlooking protestants is bull :rolleyes: i suggest you read up on men by the names of emmett, tone & tandy etc..

No, you're wrong here. Originally the two were quite close, with Protestants and Presybterians to the forefront in the the various risings and rebellions towards the end of the 18th century and into the next, but during the 19th century, Republicanism became increasingly insular ideology, one identifiable with one tradition in Ireland. The fact that the three Protestant Republicans you mention off the top of your head were all dead by 1803 goes someway towards proving my point. Thanks for that.

And before anyone gets up on their Republican high horse, I'm not passing judgement here, just pointing out a historical truth regarding the movement, and the historical attitude of many Protestants towards the Free State/nascent Republic and its institutions, including the anthem.

Pace2008

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Did I? I was pretty sure I said that it was not the idea place for it to be played. Another reason why it shouldn't is that it might draw unwanted attention to a person, for whatever reason, does not stand/sing.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I like the national anthem, but I don't think a nightclub is the place for it, with the muppets who wont respect it or stand or whatever, surly that could only lead to trouble?

Wolfe Tone

Einhard wrote: »

No, you're wrong here. Originally the two were quite close, with Protestants and Presybterians to the forefront in the the various risings and rebellions towards the end of the 18th century and into the next, but during the 19th century, Republicanism became increasingly insular ideology, one identifiable with one tradition in Ireland. The fact that the three Protestant Republicans you mention off the top of your head were all dead by 1803 goes someway towards proving my point. Thanks for that.

And before anyone gets up on their Republican high horse, I'm not passing judgement here, just pointing out a historical truth regarding the movement, and the historical attitude of many Protestants towards the Free State/nascent Republic and its institutions, including the anthem.

No true republican has any animosity towards protestants, except those who have high jacked the religion(Orange Order etc)

One example is Roger Casement.