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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭WeeBushy


    danthefan wrote: »
    Heaslip, Cullen, SOB, McLaughlin and Jennings will all be involved in this ridiculous player management ****e and could conceivably all be going to the RWC. On top of that Hines will be missing for the AIs and 6N. We need depth in that area.

    True actually, keep forgetting how much squad rotation will go on next season.
    thebaz wrote: »
    seams a bit harsh if thats the case - judging by whos picked ahead of him , I'd expect him to leave Leinster - he started 2 matches recently

    We'll its a rumour I heard from friends of friends of his so I doubt there's much truth in it. :rolleyes: Just putting it out there.

    He's still only 19 which is young for a forward to break through. If he doesn't move up from the academy next season we might see him move on. Would love for him to stay though because he is, by all accounts, a great prospect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,034 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Balls. No Michaels lads in the squad now.

    Michaels had a back rower every bit as good as Ryan when they won the cup - dont know what happened to him ???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Hippo


    thebaz wrote: »
    just goes to show the power of the referee - i think the major decisions against him were proven to be refeeeing errors - one that cost Ireland a match - think hes been unfailrly treated unless there is something we dont know - Leinster need explosive players

    His final effort against Argentina had nothing to do with the referee!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭CouchSmart


    Seems a very good squad to me. Really liking the look of all the youth being brought through, hopefully they'll all get gametime.

    Don't think Dom Ryan was up to a Dev or Pro contract yet, can put in decent hits around the park but sometimes misses simple tackles that cost tries. Missed a basic tackle, for an openside, off a lineout against Glasgow and one on his line against England last week. Great prospect though, hopefully he'll progress throughout next year and make the coaches give him a pro or at least development contract next season.

    Main worry is Joe taking on 3 jobs but I did read today that another coach is going to be brought in, not sure for what though, hopefully defence.

    Article that states another coach will be brought in.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0617/1224272699112.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 317 ✭✭Jemo


    I can't wait for Luke to get back to full fitness, in my opinion he was a far greater loss last season than Rocky was. His speed and explosive running is sorely needed. All in all it is a weaker squad than last seasons but barring racing metro and Toulon , most teams will be in the same boat. I'm looking forward to seeing more of Conway too, I haven't seen him play other than in his short appearances in blue last season but as someone else mentioned he is the first player to be put straight onto a contract since Lukey which must mean he is impressing in training. As much as I would love to see us lift the Heineken cup next year, it will be an extremely tough ask with the pool and new coaching set up I think we could be more likely looking at either a magners league title or perhaps the amlin cup (if we win anything :D) But if we get a good run with the injuries we have a team that can beat any other (including Toulouse :)) so heres hoping we can do the business next year and reclaim our crown!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭PhatPiggins


    Jemo wrote: »
    I can't wait for Luke to get back to full fitness, in my opinion he was a far greater loss last season than Rocky was. His speed and explosive running is sorely needed. All in all it is a weaker squad than last seasons but barring racing metro and Toulon , most teams will be in the same boat. I'm looking forward to seeing more of Conway too, I haven't seen him play other than in his short appearances in blue last season but as someone else mentioned he is the first player to be put straight onto a contract since Lukey which must mean he is impressing in training. As much as I would love to see us lift the Heineken cup next year, it will be an extremely tough ask with the pool and new coaching set up I think we could be more likely looking at either a magners league title or perhaps the amlin cup (if we win anything :D) But if we get a good run with the injuries we have a team that can beat any other (including Toulouse :)) so heres hoping we can do the business next year and reclaim our crown!

    I'm a bit nervous to be honest, I'd be gutted for him if he's lost some of his pace. Horrible injury to deal with, physically and mentally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭[Jackass]


    The Squad Broken Down:

    Props: Cian Healy, Stan Wright, Van Der Merwe, Mike Ross, Jack McGrath, Ronan McCormack

    Hooker: Richardt Strauss, Jason Harris-Wright, John Fogarty

    Second-Row: Leo Cullen, Nathan Hines, Ed O'Donoghue, Devin Toner, Eoin Sheriff, Trevor Hogan

    Back-Row: Shane Jennings, Kevin McLaughlin, Jamie Heaslip, Sean O'Brien, Rhys Ruddock, Paul Ryan, Stephen Keogh

    Scrum-Half: Eoin Reddan, Isaac Boss, Paul O'Donohoe

    Out-Half: Johnny Sexton, Shaun Berne

    Centre: Gordon D'Arcy, Brendan Macken, Brian O'Driscoll, Eoin O'Malley, Fergus McFadden

    Back-Three: Luke Fitzgerald, Andrew Conway, Shane Horgan, Rob Kearney, Dave Kearney, Isa Nacewa, Niall Morris

    I really like the look of this squad and am very excited in some of the new prospects making the senior squad. Definitely doing the right thing now and bringing in the youth nice and early instead of making signings for squad depth, and let them have a season or two to break into the team. I reckon this will be the season of Jason Harris-Wright.

    We're crying out for a hooker, and his competition haven't exactly set the world alight, and it would be great to see this lad come through and establish himself in the number two jersey this season. He'll get his oppertunity. I hope he takes it.

    Also great to see Jack McGrath in there. It will be interesting to see how he does in the pecking order. He will surely surpass McCormack, but there's tough competition to make the bench even from there. Hope he gets some game time though.

    I think our second row looks very strong now. Three very good first team options Cullen, O'Donoghue & Hines, and good back-up specialist in Toner and Hogan is reliable, lots of depth there. I presumed Sherriff is being considered a second row, but he may more likely be seen as back-row, but there's so much depth there, he's better off sticking to second row. We're told that there's going to be a back 5 forward signed also. I'd like to see this in the second row. Another very good option and we'll have 4 very good options for second row, which is depth that will stand to us.

    The backrow is sublime. Jennings, McLoughlin, Heaslip, O'Brien have all been superb over the last couple of saeason, and the Leinster back-row has been a dominant force in every game we play. Deffinitely one of the very top Leinster stregths and attack platforms is the Leinster back row. Add to that Rhys Ruddock, the wonder kid back row that could be pushing for first team rugby this season ahead of McLoughlin, but also one of the most promising sevens in the country, Paul Ryan, will be looking for game time. An out and out 7 and if these lads came through as strong as expected, our back-row options will be ridiculos. Also the old hat of Stephen Keogh there for depth. Had a very good season last season for the parts he played.

    Scrum-half is extremely strong. Along with Out-Half, it's the only position I never thought I'd see the day we'd have multiple strong options, but we do now. All 3 are top quality imo, and the competition will be excellent, and all very contrasting styles too. Would be interesting to see how Sexton would play off Boss. Sexton is a strong runner with the ball, and coming onto Boss' shoulder from nippy breaks, they could form a lethal combination together.

    Out-Half: By far, the weakest aspect of our squad. Sexton is a strong performer, but is still looking to find that optimom consistency and clinicalness. He's ahead of schedule and i doing superbly well, but I think the complete lack of out and out 10 cover is hurting us. Also, no real definied replacement kicker, depending on who's on the field.

    Centre: Wow.. D'Arcy & O'Driscoll, still as awesome as ever in midfield. People don't talk it up so much any more, in fact, it's fashionable to put them down now, but they're linking up better than ever imo, and tear teams apart. McFadden is a superb option who is more of a 12 than a 13 in my opinion and that's where his future lays, but excellent 13 and a real top class player. Will hopefully have a long term partnership with Macken, who is incredibly young to be at this point already, snd if his reputation is anything to go by, he's the next big thing. Then with the likes of O'Malley who was superb last season, and Isa & Berne also able to cover, we're in very good shape here.

    Back-Three: Tough to know which I prefer, our back-row options or our back-three options...both are mouth watering...Nacewa, Kearney & Fitz, along with Horgan this season, have all formed a superb back-three unit for Leinster. Horgan's inability to kick makes him the impact man, but not starter, but what a superb option to have, and the other 3 are lethal, both in defence and attack...but then the likes of Conway coming through, ridiculosly young again, and skipped directly to a full professional contract, not development...the last guy that did that went by the name of Luke Fitzgerald. Amazing options there. Dave Kearney and Morris provide adequete, if not spectacular cover.

    All in all though, an extremely strong squad. This season, lots of competition for places, rotation giving the young guys an oppertunity, this squad could really develop into something spectacular if ALL of these young players live up to their promise. More consistancy this season and more killer edge and street smarts in the knock outs, but even with a horrific group, I think we weill be contenders again this season, if not champs, but you never know, Magners should be high priority again also.

    Really looking forward to seeing the lads in action next season, and also really excited about the new coaching ticket. He said he wanted to give youth a chance, we've had loads of academy promotions, and I'm very very excited about this new chapter about to begin in Leinster rugby.

    We're making good time and are on schedule for developing excellent options for the loss of D'Arcy, O'Driscoll, Horgan in a few years...actually, not much of the old guard left now from the gelacticos...maybe Cullen also along with the above, but that's about it, we've done an excellent job of phasing in new players.

    The rest of the squad except for those guys are either young talented players or lads with plenty of years left in them.

    And of the 39 squad members, 20 have come from the Leinster academy. Over the half of the squad were all academy players...that's impressive. I'd be interested to see if any other squad in Europe has such a high rate of academy promotions and of such high quality...Toulouse maybe, but not much else. Very promising for the future.

    Can't wait for season to start again! Really exciting time to be a Leinster fan! Forget the disapointment of last season, I've a feeling our glory days are only just begining.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    [Jackass] wrote: »
    And of the 39 squad members, 20 have come from the Leinster academy. Over the half of the squad were all academy players...that's impressive. I'd be interested to see if any other squad in Europe has such a high rate of academy promotions and of such high quality...Toulouse maybe, but not much else. Very promising for the future.

    The Leinster academy certainly seems to be a massive strength and one that I feel will stand to them for years to come. It certainly ranks up there as one of the best in Europe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Arrogance


    Just an aside, looks like Ian McKinley won't be returning from his injury. A real shame he had the potential to be the greatest Irish outhalf. I dont say that lightly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭guapos


    Arrogance wrote: »
    Just an aside, looks like Ian McKinley won't be returning from his injury. A real shame he had the potential to be the greatest Irish outhalf. I dont say that lightly.

    Thats terrible, an eye injury was it?

    dont think we will do much next season but it will be a great season for development, I expect 2 or 3 players to make the break through to heineken starters, conway, mcfadden and harris wright.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Arrogance


    I don't really rate Harris Wright to be honest.

    If I was to pick three players most likely to break through it would be Andrew Conway, Rhys Ruddock and Eoin O'Malley.

    McFadden has more or less already broken through tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Arrogance wrote: »
    Just an aside, looks like Ian McKinley won't be returning from his injury. A real shame he had the potential to be the greatest Irish outhalf. I dont say that lightly.

    That's an absolute disaster, what a real shame. Huge talent and would have replaced Sexton in Leinster far sooner than most would think. I hope he's dealing with this news as well as can be expected.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Arrogance


    That's an absolute disaster, what a real shame. Huge talent and would have replaced Sexton in Leinster far sooner than most would think. I hope he's dealing with this news as well as can be expected.

    Probably would of went to Ulster considering their lack of outhalf options. Could of had Keatley at Connacht, McKinley at Ulster, Sexton at Leinster and O'Gara at Munster. Depth at 10.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    I'm surprised Ulster have never come in for Blackrock's Madigan, not in McKinley's class (was behind Burke and McKinley last year for Ireland) but can cover fullback pretty well too and kick penalties. Honestly don't see anything to rate about Humphreys and O'Connor. Doubt Leinster would have let McKinley leave. What an awful season for both Burke and McKinley, injuries ruining our best prospects.

    On the otherhand, after his injury it's hard to know if he could have played at top level anyway, the knowledge you could be blinded would have to make a big impression. Same with Jones at Munster, I'll be holding off any expectation on him until he's gotten through the season, both of those players must have taken massive hits to their confidence as much as anything else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Arrogance


    Actually, has Madigan been released? Hes not in the Leinster squad for nexst season or have I missed that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭anonymous_joe


    thebaz wrote: »
    Michaels had a back rower every bit as good as Ryan when they won the cup - dont know what happened to him ???

    Hmmm. I've an idea who that is. Don't think he;s still playing seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭CouchSmart


    Conway scored a hat-trick in the U20's final game of the JWC. It'll be interesting to see how he progresses now with Leinster on a Pro contract. Can't wait for next season already!

    http://www.irishrugby.ie/21_21242.php


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭PhatPiggins


    CouchSmart wrote: »
    Conway scored a hat-trick in the U20's final game of the JWC. It'll be interesting to see how he progresses now with Leinster on a Pro contract. Can't wait for next season already!

    http://www.irishrugby.ie/21_21242.php

    Pity they were only allowed to play rugby when it didn't matter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Ciaran-Irl


    Arrogance wrote: »
    Actually, has Madigan been released? Hes not in the Leinster squad for nexst season or have I missed that?

    Still in the academy with the likes of Dom Ryan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭LeeroyJones


    New away jersey. Just a white version of the home jersey as opposed to the baby blue one last year. It's slightly nicer, but I wouldn't be mad on it!

    http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/4840.php


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 388 ✭✭redroar1942


    New away jersey. Just a white version of the home jersey as opposed to the baby blue one last year. It's slightly nicer, but I wouldn't be mad on it!

    http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/4840.php

    How come Canterbury are still making them? I thought they'd gone wallop in europe.

    The jersey is rank


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 7,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    How come Canterbury are still making them? I thought they'd gone wallop in europe.

    The jersey is rank

    Company went bellyup last year but was bought out of adminstration by JD Sports, they managed to salvage some contracts (Leinster, South Africa and Scotland to name a few).


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    if it didnt have those blue swirls it wouldnt be bad.

    funny when you look at the leinster website that you can trace were this new away jersey came from but that leads the question where on earth did last years home and away jersey come from??

    did someone spill paint on the design board of last years jersey but wouldnt admit to it??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭CouchSmart


    I think they're designed to go along with Bank of Ireland's 'Blue Magic' campaign. They are terribly annoying jerseys and it's a terribly annoying reason for the jerseys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭anonymous_joe


    CouchSmart wrote: »
    I think they're designed to go along with Bank of Ireland's 'Blue Magic' campaign. They are terribly annoying jerseys and it's a terribly annoying reason for the jerseys.

    It's grown on me. When I bought mine I hated it, but I like it more now.

    Also, compared to several other offerings, it could be a lot worse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wonton


    whats up with sewart maguire, is he in the leinster squad for next year, has he been capped yet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭funky penguin


    It's grown on me. When I bought mine I hated it, but I like it more now.

    Also, compared to several other offerings, it could be a lot worse.

    +1 I hated it to begin with, but I really love mine now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 15


    wonton wrote: »
    whats up with sewart maguire, is he in the leinster squad for next year, has he been capped yet?


    I'm pretty sure hes in the academy as hes only 19.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 15


    thebaz wrote: »
    Michaels had a back rower every bit as good as Ryan when they won the cup - dont know what happened to him ???

    I think you're referring to either Paddy Mallon or Rajan Reilly. Both showed decent promise but neither were exceptional nor capable of making a professional step up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,034 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    15 wrote: »
    I think you're referring to either Paddy Mallon or Rajan Reilly. Both showed decent promise but neither were exceptional nor capable of making a professional step up.

    Rajan Reilly is the guy - I thought at schools he was as good as Dom Ryan - think he played Leinster ahead of him


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