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  • #32
    Tackleberrywho
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    tac foley wrote: »
    I thought the RoI was metric?

    tac
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    It's a mongrel of both, we are only truely Metric a few years.
    Some of the older gents learned imperial whilst the younger folk learned Metric.

    I learned Metric in school yet outside school everything was imperial until a few years ago.

    I have a scope derivated in 1/4 " so I use Inches.
    I use mm in work once I can converty correctly 25.4 and all that no probs.


  • #33
    Cass
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    I think that some gun manufacturer, engineer, someone out there with far more knowledge of firearms, ballistics, rifling, etc, etc would have created something by now.

    The point is you cannot custom build something from "bastardised" parts (custom or not) to make a rifle to do both. The technology just doesn't exist to do so.

    Of course the other side is the technology exists, but manufaturers believe the market is not there for a high quality dual purpose rifle.

    Yeah, right. :D
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  • #34
    Tackleberrywho
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    ezridax wrote: »
    I think that some gun manufacturer, engineer, someone out there with far more knowledge of firearms, ballistics, rifling, etc, etc would have created something by now.

    The point is you cannot custom build something from "bastardised" parts (custom or not) to make a rifle to do both. The technology just doesn't exist to do so.

    Of course the other side is the technology exists, but manufaturers believe the market is not there for a high quality dual purpose rifle.

    Yeah, right. :D

    The company i work for design products and some of them never go to market, they design stuff just to see if it can be done.

    Lots of stuff in Engineering was put on the back burner due to low gross earnings last year and the year before it was shelved.

    I know of plants that stopped production but ramped R&D

    Getting slightly off topic though.

    My point is at the rate Technology is changing we are sure to see new firearm design soon


  • #35
    tac foley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭tac foley


    Tackleberrywho wrote: »
    It's a mongrel of both, we are only truely Metric a few years.
    Some of the older gents learned imperial whilst the younger folk learned Metric.

    I learned Metric in school yet outside school everything was imperial until a few years ago.

    I have a scope derivated in 1/4 " so I use Inches.
    I use mm in work once I can converty correctly 25.4 and all that no probs.


    Thank you, Sir.

    tac
    Supporter of the Cape Meares Lighthouse Restoration Fund


  • #36
    dCorbus
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    So, as an exercise only, what would people suggest would make the best dual-purpose rifle (i.e. hunting and target)?

    Not sure about the engineering / firearms-design side of things myself, but here's some suggestions for a dual-purpose hunting/target rifle:

    1. Calibre 308W (Good for FTR, Yes, but - Good for stalking? Good for Foxes? I don't know about these myself)
    2. Medium Weight overall (say 12lbs), but not too light.
    3. 28'' 1:11 or 1:12 Bull-Barrel (Not too long, not too short)?
    4. Use a precision Target-type stock, to keep weight down, but simplified to ensure robustness in the field? eg:
    trueflitetargetstock.jpg
    5. 5 Round Magazine, but with single-shot adapter/baseplate
    6. Removable Iron Sights
    7. Pre-threaded for moddy

    Just some food for thought - What do you think?
    Let's see if we all collectively can't come up with the perfect rifle!!!!!:D:D:rolleyes:


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  • #37
    Tackleberrywho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    dCorbus wrote: »
    So, as an exercise only, what would people suggest would make the best dual-purpose rifle (i.e. hunting and target)?

    Not sure about the engineering / firearms-design side of things myself, but here's some suggestions for a dual-purpose hunting/target rifle:

    1. Calibre 308W (Good for FTR, Yes, but - Good for stalking? Good for Foxes? I don't know about these myself)
    2. Medium Weight overall (say 12lbs), but not too light.
    3. 28'' 1:11 or 1:12 Bull-Barrel (Not too long, not too short)?
    4. Use a precision Target-type stock, to keep weight down, but simplified to ensure robustness in the field? eg:
    trueflitetargetstock.jpg
    5. 5 Round Magazine, but with single-shot adapter/baseplate
    6. Removable Iron Sights
    7. Pre-threaded for moddy

    Just some food for thought - What do you think?
    Let's see if we all collectively can't come up with the perfect rifle!!!!!:D:D:rolleyes:

    .308 will take all irish game.
    The rifle you display would need a hand crew to carry in presant form though.

    my varmint rifle weighs 1 stone as is. I suppose that is almost acceptable as a stalking rifle

    It depends if you are stalking, or doing lazy boy tree hide job, then weight is not an issue ;)

    Tack driver accuracy


  • #38
    wolfsshadow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭wolfsshadow


    thanks to every one for their input, i'm hoping to upgrade to centerfire next year so i'm just trying to get some info first, i know i wont be competative with a dual purpose rifle but it's a cheap way to start, then if i decided i want to get seriose on the range i can get a second rifle just for that, .308 would be to big for me so i'm thinking more a .223 with varmint barrel and thumbhole stock, maybe a howa? i was asking about 22-250 or 220 because there seems to be a few cheap (£300) ones in uk with claims of little use.
    and as for other questions asked yes i'm a newbie and i'm in roscommon.


  • #39
    dCorbus
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    hey wolfsshadow
    .308 would be to big

    Do you mean price-wise, recoil-wise, or for the quarry you're planning to shoot?
    22-250 or 220

    Not sure how these would fair as target rifles. Great for hunting (Correction needed here, lads?:o), but wouldn't really be at the races for any long distance target stuff IMvHO. But perfectly suited for honing your skills on the range and having a good time doing it, whilst giving you a rifle you can take out in the fields.:)
    there seems to be a few cheap (£300) ones in uk with claims of little use

    That sounds a bit on the cheap and "too-good-to-be-true" side, so tread warily.;)

    My vote would still be for the .308.
    Howa has a fantastic and brick-s**thouse action, apparently.
    Tikka T3 TAC
    Or the Remmy700

    But, personally, to cover field and range, I'd go for the T3 TAC in .308 (1:11 twist with slightly longer 24" barrel), if you're not going for something more exotic for now. (Can also be got in .223)

    But that's just my choice!:D;)


  • #40
    Tackleberrywho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    wolfsshadow wrote: »
    thanks to every one for their input, i'm hoping to upgrade to centerfire next year so i'm just trying to get some info first, i know i wont be competative with a dual purpose rifle but it's a cheap way to start, then if i decided i want to get seriose on the range i can get a second rifle just for that, .308 would be to big for me so i'm thinking more a .223 with varmint barrel and thumbhole stock, maybe a howa? i was asking about 22-250 or 220 because there seems to be a few cheap (£300) ones in uk with claims of little use.
    and as for other questions asked yes i'm a newbie and i'm in roscommon.

    A rossie, well welcome on board. I'd go .223 if you want target and you do not want a .308.
    Unless you want to go unlimited F class with a different calibre perhaps .204 (not sure if it is allowed)

    The .223 & .204 should be easier licence though than a .308


  • #41
    dCorbus
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    The .223 & .204 should be easier licence though than a .308

    Not sure I agree with you on that. Can't see why there'd be any difference, once you had the ol' good reasons boxed off.
    I'd go .223 if you want target and you do not want a .308

    Still not sure about wolfsshadows reasons for not going for the .308, other than it's "too big". Cost may be an issue alright, as the .223 ammo is cheaper I believe than the .308.

    But from a getting-a-licence point-of-view, I can't see any difference.
    Personally, I went straight for the 308, as I could only afford one centrefire rifle, that was the one for me since the .223 would be a bit more limited in its range and scope (no pun intended). Went straight from 22lr to .308 and, with "good reasons" boxed off, had no prob's getting licence. But then again, i only use the 308 for target shooting, but the make of rifle is also used for hunting (just not by me).


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  • #42
    wolfsshadow
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    i thought .308 would be a little over the top for bunnys, hence "too big" but it would be something to look forward to, 223's seem more popular and hold their price better than similar calibers, and just to upset everyone if you go on some of the uk internet gun sale sites, not to sure i'm allowed to name comercial sites here you can find brand new howa 1500 from £440 to £580 in cambridgeshire and gloucestershire yes i did find a 22-250 varmint barrel for £480 most other shops are asking around £7-800 but yeah i agree with dcorbus about cheap s/h ones, anyone got any idea if reloading will become legal here?


  • #43
    Tackleberrywho
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    wolfsshadow wrote: »
    i thought .308 would be a little over the top for bunnys, hence "too big" but it would be something to look forward to, 223's seem more popular and hold their price better than similar calibers, and just to upset everyone if you go on some of the uk internet gun sale sites, not to sure i'm allowed to name comercial sites here you can find brand new howa 1500 from £440 to £580 in cambridgeshire and gloucestershire yes i did find a 22-250 varmint barrel for £480 most other shops are asking around £7-800 but yeah i agree with dcorbus about cheap s/h ones, anyone got any idea if reloading will become legal here?

    Big IF :D

    The smaller calibres can be more fun as the recoil is light and if you go moderated it will pop bunnies all day.

    I have used my Un Mod'ed .308 on bunnies though too.
    Points to note, I see a .308 tactical threaded Remington on www.remington.com

    It really depends on your Super, he may want Proof of a target range for a .308 or a deer permit
    The .223 will let you enter comps and shoot bunnies too. Bunnies can be shot for €14 for 20 Remington UMC and Target for €26 Hornady or Remington Accutip


  • #44
    rrpc
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    Tackleberrywho wrote: »
    Big IF :D

    The smaller calibres can be more fun as the recoil is light and if you go moderated it will pop bunnies all day.

    I have used my Un Mod'ed .308 on bunnies though too.
    I really don't think that's a good idea. You're using a very powerful round at a depressed angle against a quarry that's highly unlikely to stop the bullet.

    The potential for things to get FUBAR are in the upper quartile.


  • #45
    Tackleberrywho
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    rrpc wrote: »
    I really don't think that's a good idea. You're using a very powerful round at a depressed angle against a quarry that's highly unlikely to stop the bullet.

    The potential for things to get FUBAR are in the upper quartile.

    I never heard of a depressed angle, not saying it does not exist but i have never used it in Engineering mathematics to daye.

    Anything can go FUBAR if you don't know what you are doing.
    Deer will not stop all hunting rounds, ask any hunter and they will tell you that. Exit wounds are to be found on most deer calibres.

    The most important part is that the backstop is suitable.


  • #46
    rrpc
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    Tackleberrywho wrote: »
    I never heard of a depressed angle, not saying it does not exist but i have never used it in Engineering mathematics to daye.
    It's ballistics terminology, engineers don't use it. It means that the angle of sight is towards the ground in basic terms.
    Anything can go FUBAR if you don't know what you are doing.
    Deer will not stop all hunting rounds, ask any hunter and they will tell you that. Exit wounds are to be found on most deer calibres.
    Not all the time and there's very little relative energy left in the bullet after passing through a deer.
    The most important part is that the backstop is suitable.
    People keep talking about backstops as if there's nothing more to them than some obstacle through which a bullet can't pass. Would any of the 'backstops' you talk of, be even fractionally as effective as the backstop on a range?


  • #47
    Tackleberrywho
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    rrpc wrote: »
    It's ballistics terminology, engineers don't use it. It means that the angle of sight is towards the ground in basic terms. To me that means do not fire on a shallow angle to encourage bullet skip, like what happens when you skim stones across a pond

    Not all the time and there's very little relative energy left in the bullet after passing through a deer. I know of two deer shot with the one round, and I have heard of several with core lokt rounds

    People keep talking about backstops as if there's nothing more to them than some obstacle through which a bullet can't pass. Would any of the 'backstops' you talk of, be even fractionally as effective as the backstop on a range?

    In relation to your last point yes, most definitely I have shooting in a quarry where there is sand 100 ft tall and goes back about 4 mile ;)

    Not the highest bank by any means114689.jpg

    The midlands is full of Escir and it is also full of bunnies.
    Look on the photos thread I posted some sandy cliff face I'd post more but it would give away my exact location :D


  • #48
    rrpc
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    Didn't I just teach you how to reduce those photos? :D

    That's hardly sand, it's earth with lots of little rocks in it. I've never seen sand that can stand up vertically, the closest to that I've ever seen is La Dune du Pyla in Arcachon in South West France which is 117m high and still capable of being walked up easily.

    As a backstop, it's ok, but not everyone has that kind of backstop available to them when hunting.


  • #49
    Tackleberrywho
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    rrpc wrote: »
    Didn't I just teach you how to reduce those photos? :D

    That's hardly sand, it's earth with lots of little rocks in it. I've never seen sand that can stand up vertically, the closest to that I've ever seen is La Dune du Pyla in Arcachon in South West France which is 117m high and still capable of being walked up easily.

    As a backstop, it's ok, but not everyone has that kind of backstop available to them when hunting.

    You did but I could not find the orig thread and that is from hunting photos thread.

    Yes there is earth on the ground.
    It fell after heavy rain.
    You might notice the sand martin burrows in the picture.

    they burrow into sand as their nest and after fly back to North africa when chicks are raised.


    It is very good sand, we plastered our house with it, a simple screed got the pebbles out ;)

    I'll take a few pics especially for you and I will crop and post them ;)


  • #50
    rrpc
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    Tackleberrywho wrote: »

    I'll take a few pics especially for you and I will crop and post them ;)
    What? You'll zoom out and make those rocks look smaller? :D


  • #51
    Tackleberrywho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    rrpc wrote: »
    What? You'll zoom out and make those rocks look smaller? :D

    I took that pic to highlight the sand martins for a hunting thread.

    If I had turned 360 I would have shown you a hill of sand!.
    I've the dinner got. I'll just grab the .308 and out the door :D


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  • #52
    Tackleberrywho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    Tackleberrywho wrote: »
    I took that pic to highlight the sand martins for a hunting thread.

    If I had turned 360 I would have shown you a hill of sand!.
    I've the dinner got. I'll just grab the .308 and out the door :D

    No bunnies around today, so I just got you some backstop pics


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