[US/IRL] 6x15 - "Across The Sea" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

phantom_lord wrote: »

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz imo. i'm glad this show is almost over so i don't have to watch any more of it.

I'm so happy to see people that can decide what to do for themselves instead of doing what everyone else does. If you don't like the show... don't watch it. I know there are only 2/3 episodes left but I dare you NOT to watch them. Go on.... I dare you! :P

Wow, I'm just amazed at the response of people to last night's episode on this thread.

I have just watched it for the second time and I found it a great episode.

I think some Lost viewers are wanting to have it both ways and there is no pleasing them.

For example, people want answers, which I understand, but some people have expecting this season to be chock full of answers from the first episode and are complaining about the alt-timeline and more questions being raised.
Then when there is a reveal, as in the reveal of the whispers, then everybody complains that was crap and badly done and that they are insulting the viewer. What do people want?

Also, the CGI? What's the complaints about? Smokey, looked the same as always, and people are moaning about the crap light, but it was just a golden light and to me it looked like an em, just a golden light! What more do people want?
As for this episode I enjoyed it. I'm not worried about the lack of reveals, but for me the biggest thing it showed is that the island has been there a long time and always had a protector, who for some reason, faces an end and then brings people to the island who then seeks a replacement 'candidiate' and the whole process just goes on.

Also, when 'mother' said that only one of them could protect the island, and not two of them, I think that was important as well. Think Mib was her original choice but she later changed to Jacob.

Now, if you look at Mib, he seems to have a characteristics that reflect a lot of the more familiar characters.
He resembles Locke for believing the Island has more to it than meets the eye.
He resembles Hurley in that he can see dead people.
He's also clever, a lier, and kills people just like Ben.
He also said that he lived for 30 years with people who are "greedy, manipulative, untrustworthy, and selfish." Think that is a major influence on him.
Jacob, appears not believe in anything and needs convincing....just like Jack.

So, I think the mother, has herself gone into light, also turned out to be a smoke monster. This enabled her to wipe out the villagers, infuriate MIB, send Jacob away, let MIB come and kill her, as she had had enough and her replacement was in place, and she could die knowing that Jacob would put MIB in to the light, turn him into Smokey and not allow him to leave the island.

I think the show, despite what people say here, proves that the writers have known what they are at all along. In the first season, we saw Locke play explain Backgammon to Walt, and stating it was a game between Black & White, Jacob & MIB, have their own version of the game, also in Black & white. Also the scene with 'Adam & Eve', how can people say that was just made up, when the stones that Jack found in season 1 tie in perfectly with what happened in Season 6?

As for that scene, why are people complaining about the flashback?People must think of other viewers. My wife, who watches the show, but does not read theories on internet, post on Lost forums or watch shows a second time, did genuinely not remember the bodies in the cave and without that flashback would not have made the connection. It was 6 years ago after all.
Also, about the name, MIB is either called Aarron and Claire will name baby Jacob in alt -timeline, or it's all just a wind up and he will just be called 'Dave' or 'Danny' or something unimportant.
In summary, really enjoyed the show, had more in it than meets the eye and I think we will visit this time again before the end.

I think one thing everyone is over looking about the bodies in the cave is not the decomposition but the fact that if you left 2 bodies in a cave on an island with wild animals that they would have been dragged off and eaten in some den somewhere!

We know the island has a functioning ecological system what with the boars and numerous references in the beginning seasons more so of smaller animals being around to hunt.

Even being generous to the writers and saying that the boars are the only things we know for sure were on the island when the bodies were "fresh" as we saw them in the same episode.... they would have smelled the decomposition and came to eat whatever it was.

Even when they were deciding what to do with the bodies in season one they burned them as they had explained if they buried the bodies they wouldnt stay buried for long before the boars would dig them up and chowed down.

Utter ridiculous to think the bodies would sit there ..... rot... smell... and never be even disturbed by a wild animal let alone dragged off.

Just another example of the writers idiocy that they expect us to believe..... I am still laughing at the MiB explanation o how the light will get him off the island ... "we have a system to channel the light and with this I will leave here " lol lol lol... OH.... rriiiiggghhhtttt..... a system

murpho999 wrote: »

Also, about the name, MIB is either called Aarron and Claire will name baby Jacob in alt -timeline, or it's all just a wind up and he will just be called 'Dave' or 'Danny' or something unimportant.
In summary, really enjoyed the show, had more in it than meets the eye and I think we will visit this time again before the end.

What significance will it be if his(MiB) name is Aaron? Just wondering.
I don't think anyone influenced Claire in naming the baby Aaron back at the start but I can't remember now.

Plus...why haven't we seen Michael or Walt n the alt universe? They were big characters!

Yeah Michael died on the island(technically the water surrounding it I know) but Boone died on the island yet he is in the alt universe??

murpho999 wrote: »

I think the show, despite what people say here, proves that the writers have known what they are at all along. In the first season, we saw Locke play explain Backgammon to Walt, and stating it was a game between Black & White, Jacob & MIB, have their own version of the game, also in Black & white. Also the scene with 'Adam & Eve', how can people say that was just made up, when the stones that Jack found in season 1 tie in perfectly with what happened in Season 6?

So just because they managed to tie in the black and white stones, ur convinced that the writers have had this in mind all along. Don't see it myself. Obviously the black v white thing was gonna play out as it is really evil v good and the writers simply aren't good enuff to come up with anything else. If the writers ment this from day one then why cudn't we have seen maybe one of the brothers as a child during the time skips. It was only last season and to have thrown one of those kids into one of the skips wud of been a sweet way to cement the thought that they had this idea all along. Those 2 bodies cud just as easily turned out to be the real Locke an Christians body and the writers would of come up half ass explanation and alot of Lost fan wud be going around saying "See, i told u the writers had it planned out from the start" Showing us something in series 1 and then given an explanation for it in the final series does nothing to prove there was any kind of plan. All it proves is that the writers tied up a loose end.

Actually liked this episode, but i think it came 2 or possibility 3 seasons too late. However this season reminds me of someone writing a 2 page english essay and just realising with 10 minutes to go and three quarters through the second page everything they failed to mention. I think the writers planned the 6 seasons poorly, that is if they planned anything at all. They should have done the honourable thing like flashforward , sorry faulty towers and quit while they were ahead, 6 seasons for this type of show is too long

Does anyone know how locke knew when it would start raining, sorry if it has been answered before or is a well known fact but i don't know why and nothing i've seen has answered that question

Lol at the poll results - we seem to have a serious split in the audience.

****
I thought this was superb, an absolute tour de force.

Back in Season One and Two I wanted this to end with a scientific explanation, everything explained, every question boxed off.

And clearly this isn't going to happen.
The ultimate answer appears to be that no-one knows. That every answer leads to another question. That 'What Happens Happens' to paraphrase Faraday. That the people of 2000 years ago didn't understand the island, nor did the people who came on the Black Rock, nor Rousseaus crew, not the people who buily the statue, nor did the Dharma people, nor the Oceanic people. And crucially nor will the people of 2010 TV Land.

Its a copout, but its wonderful.
10/10.

He doesn't have a name, that's why he's never been called a name on screen, or why we wont ever find out his name, he wasn't given one. He was nameless. He was just the one who wasn't 'Jacob', or 'mother'. Very easy in a world of 3 people for one not to have be named anything. I would say 'mother' left it like this out of respect for their real mother.

I guess.

dudeitshurley wrote: »

Lost has provided some of the best episodes of television, best acting, directing, musical scores, drama, emotion of any tv shows i've seen in the past 10 years. It doesn't matter how badly they may **** it up, it won't retrospectively make me hate episodes like The Constant, The Long Con, "?", Flashes Before Your Eyes, LaFleur, The Substitute, but to mention a few. Some brilliant, brilliant tv.

I just wish they could tie it neatly in to make some sort of coherent sense, on any level. Looks like they can't.

Took the words right out of my mouth!

There are a lot of people in this thread who are giving the impression that they think it's funny that people are ready to give up on the show with 2 episodes left.. let's be honest, no-one is doing that!

It's just frustrating that we get episodes like 'Across The Sea' that seem too far attached from what's went before it.

No.. a couple of bad episodes won't retract from the series in my eyes as a whole. But it's upsetting that there are episodes like this that are particular incoherent and out-of-place to close the series and mar it for a lot of people!

ISAW wrote: »

Or the Latin. but why then did they break into English? and it is modern english not middle or old so you are talking 1700 or later. American accents imply 1800 or later. I think you might be meant to assume they were still speaking in Latin but that doesn't make any sense if they subtitle some Latin? why by the way do the Korean couple speak to each other in English?
I'm a bot lost on that one.

It's an american tv show for an americam audience.......they appear to make an effort at times with authenticity and such but it can be forgiven that they just go back to English....it lets it all flow at a faster pace that way........

....Jin and Sun speaking in English is reasonable...Jin has not spoken a word of Korean in 3 years........2nd nature and all that...Sun responds in kind so that is how it plays out......and we can understand it...so everyone wins right up till they drown.

dudeitshurley wrote: »

all boiling down to a Jacob v MIB conflict, characters either unseen, unreferenced or vague until the very end of s6.

Yeah, that's quite disappointing.

I always thought the final show would tie up a lot of loose ends from previous seasons, however it now appears to be focusing on a conflict we didn't even know existed until the last episode of the fifth season.

omerin wrote: »

Does anyone know how locke knew when it would start raining, sorry if it has been answered before or is a well known fact but i don't know why and nothing i've seen has answered that question

Its very easy in tropical areas to know when it is about to rain. I was away traveling and many times I could tell it was about to rain. My girlfriend used to joke that I was like Locke but I'm afraid I'm not. You can tell a lot by the wildlife around you like birds and the way they suddenly react.

ps The clouds are a giveaway too!