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DTT Commercial Multiplexes (was OneVision, Boxer etc...)

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  • #1262
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    icdg wrote: »
    I've renamed this thread...partially because we are coming up to the first anniversary of the "11th May" referred to in the thread title, but also because it is becoming rather clear that like Boxer, OneVision will never run a service.

    Good new Title.

    Post date, 1st post is 20-04-2009, 13:17 !

    I think that post may have been split off (or other posts split off) from the Original older Boxer Thread?

    Deja Vue / Groundhog day?

    Via google (Boards Search can't find 3 letter words)
    it's TV DTT... Thread in 22-08-2001! Nearly NINE Years ago!
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=752217
    IrishBlimp = Byte

    The real "original trails" were in 1999! ELEVEN years ago!

    The Fake Political one prior to the current stupendously stupid process:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054983883
    29-08-2006, 09:25 Almost FOUR years ago

    I think the Government and its Quangos are caught in a Temporal Loop


  • #1263
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    God, Watty, that's a blast from the past!

    Heh, the more things change, the more they stay the same.


  • #1264
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    From 2006
    In 1999, RTE published a proposal for its own free-to-air digital service. The Broadcasting Act that followed was created to accommodate any necessary changes to allow for such a service.

    High costs, among other things, later saw this plan scrapped, and the DTT initiative was taken over by the Department of Communications.

    A lack of movement since the collapse of the 1999 plan has put the three broadcasters in the dark over their future.
    http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/04/09/story13256.asp

    Worth reading. Esp. for those new to the thread.

    Also
    Only one consortium is believed to have applied for licence to operate Ireland's commercial digital terrestrial television (DTT) platform Muxco (formerly Digico, see 2000/101b4). It's TV (Ireland; www.itstv.ie) is lead by group of former, executives responsible for DTT planning at public broadcaster RTE, backed by Dublin-based venture capital group Delta Partners. Department of Arts, Heritage, Gaeltacht has not confirmed any further bidders by closing date 3 August 2001
    (via http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-78436221.html)

    1st July 2000: DTT was supposed to Launch September 2000!
    Public broadcaster RTE has confirmed that launch of digital terrestrial television (DTT) in Ireland has been postponed from September 2000 until third quarter 2001. Delay was caused by wrangling over RTE's role in Digico DTT operator (see 2000/101b4). Delay has, however, benefited RTE (Ireland; +353/1 208 3111; www.rte.ie)in its plans for ambitious interactive DTT service with wireless back-channel.

    See also http://www.iolfree.ie/~icdg/dtt_roi_plan.htm
    In early 1999 the Irish government announced that it had decided to introduce Digital Terrestrial Television (DTT), that is digital TV via roof-top aerial, in the Republic of Ireland. A new Broadcasting Bill would be law by the end of the year and the service would start in September 2000. Switch off of UHF would take place in 2010.

    So has it happened? This is Ireland after all. The Bill was stuck in committee stage in the Dail for over a year, only becoming law on 14th March 2001. And expect at least 12 months from the sale of DTTN to the launch of the DTT network. When will we get DTT? Probably by the end of 2002.
    penned by our own ICDG :)


  • #1265
    galtee boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Despite the disaster that commercial DTT seems to be, can we take it as a given, that whatever happens to the commercial issue, the public service mux will launch on or before October 31st 2010 as directed by the Minister to RTE recently ?


  • #1266
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Maybe... since the main sites are already running. But complete National Rollout? Don't hold your breath.

    The only way they will have 2012 Analogue Switch off is to hand out free viewing cards and free Satellite dish installs for Sky or maybe Real (if they ever launch and ever get RTE /TV3/TG4). It's not possible now to have the whole Country with DTT by then. TV3 only has 80% analogue coverage now!

    In theory the PSB Mux could have launched "officially" a year ago. Or ten years ago.


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  • #1267
    galtee boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    watty wrote: »
    Maybe... since the main sites are already running. But complete National Rollout? Don't hold your breath.

    The only way they will have 2012 Analogue Switch off is to hand out free viewing cards and free Satellite dish installs for Sky or maybe Real (if they ever launch and ever get RTE /TV3/TG4). It's not possible now to have the whole Country with DTT by then. TV3 only has 80% analogue coverage now!

    In theory the PSB Mux could have launched "officially" a year ago. Or ten years ago.

    Is it cost or time is the obstacle to having all the relays, DTT ready by 31 December 2012 ? Incidentally, the relay here in Mitchelstown is up and running for DTT on channel 40, for a town with about 6,000 population ! Many much larger towns around the country are not DTT ready yet, so I don't know why Mitchelstown has it so early, not that I'm complaining. In any case, Mullaghanish is blasting in here on DTT also.
    So, you think we will have the October launch, albeit low key ?


  • #1268
    The Cush
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    icdg wrote: »
    Pay-DTT is not viable. I am trying to think of a major country where it has proved viable.

    Of the major countries Italy seems to be an exception with pay DTT operator Mediaset generating €560 million from its pay DTT platform last year, add to that Sky Italy complaining to the EU Commission recently that under Italian legislation it is unable to operate a terrestrial multiplex until 2012, recent rumours indicate this will be overturned and Sky could possibly launch a terrestrial multiplex this autumn. Airplus also operates the Dahlia pay DTT platform.

    Since Aug 2009 Spain has allowed pay DTT to relaunch with many of the commercial channels anxious to launch pay DTT services on their newly reassigned multiplexes helped recently by an agreement that a single pay DTT encryption standard will be used.

    Countries of Ireland's population size like Norway, Finland and Denmark all appear to operate successful pay DTT platforms including cable and satellite services, the difference here of course is the free overspill from the UK.


  • #1269
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Spain and Italy have loads of indigenous channels.

    Mediaset:
    Founded in the 1970s by Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi and still controlled today with a 38.6% stake by his family.
    Mediaset also operates a series of news, entertainment and sport websites; holds 50.1% of the Spanish broadcasting firm Gestevisión Telecinco; and heads a consortium which owns the television production house Endemol.

    Mediaset controls five free-to-air terrestrial channels (three in Italy and two in Spain):

    * Canale 5 (Italy)
    * Italia 1 (Italy)
    * Rete 4 (Italy)
    * Telecinco (Spain)
    * Cuatro (Spain)

    and also has share in

    * Nessma TV (Maghreb) 25%
    * China Sport Network (China) 49%


    In January 2008, the European Court of Justice ruled that the TV frequencies used by Mediaset to broadcast Rete 4 were shared out unfairly. They should have been given to Europa 7, a competitor channel, the judges maintain, and Rete 4 should be broadcast via satellite instead. Although the Italian Council of State, the highest court on administrative matters, has confirmed that the Italian government should abide by this European ruling, Rete 4 continues its operation on analog frequencies and on DVB-T

    Italy is hardly comparable to Ireland.

    Most (all?) of the countries with successful pay DTT have pre-existing indigenous pay Tv. We have a single payTV channel, what was C6, whatever TV3 calls it now. All the other pay channels on Sky are primarily for the UK market. Cable has a sop to to the idea of a single local pay channel (apart from C6/TV3e), City TV or whatever).

    Virtually anyone that wants UK pay TV already has it. Dublin is more cabled than any comparable European city.

    Also, unlike Spain, Italy, or Nordic, all the best UK channels are free on Satellite. Anyone wanting Sky Sport will have to pay as much to get it on DTT than Cable or Sky, so why would they switch to have a poorer package.

    Ireland isn't comparable at all to these other places. Unlike Spain, France, Italy and Nordic there is essentially no such animal as Irish pay TV (these other places all had successful Indigenous pay TV channels, in some cases competition). Here there is no Pay TV competition in content (like Italy, esp, before Sky Italia). UPC is essentially a cable clone of Sky's UK package. UPC's real competition is not in different content, but in offering good phone and Broadband also. All our payTV bar one Channel is for the UK market, It's not Irish Pay TV.

    UPC pass over 800,000 homes with Triple play. Sky have over 700,000 subscribers. Who knows how many Freeview and Freesat viewers there are?

    As we to 2012, many more people will be able to receive the entire freeview via Aerial from NI. Coupled with Welsh, that could be over 30% of population.

    95% or more can get Freesat, for one off payment of about €200 installed. That's all the main UK channels, 70ish Radio stations and about 170 other TV and some HD too (HD needs more expensive receiver). All free.

    Only a few tens of thousands of those that don't have Sky or UPC or Freeview or Freesat are going to be prepared to subscribe at ANY price to pay TV. What percent of Sky, UPC, Freeview or Freesat viewers will subscribe to pay DTT? Bear in mind the only "cheap" package will not have sport and will be mostly "free" channels on Freesat & Freeview?


  • #1270
    endakenny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭endakenny


    watty wrote: »
    Maybe... since the main sites are already running. But complete National Rollout? Don't hold your breath.

    The only way they will have 2012 Analogue Switch off is to hand out free viewing cards and free Satellite dish installs for Sky or maybe Real (if they ever launch and ever get RTE /TV3/TG4). It's not possible now to have the whole Country with DTT by then. TV3 only has 80% analogue coverage now!

    In theory the PSB Mux could have launched "officially" a year ago. Or ten years ago.

    The failure of the commercial DTT project should not prevent the launch of the Irish FTA DTT service. DTT has more bandwith than analogue terrestrial television (ATT). Therefore, TV3 will be available to all areas of the Republic, alongside RTÉ. For example, lack of space on ATT meant that Welsh viewers had to wait for delayed broadcasting on S4C of programmes already shown on Channel 4 in the rest of the UK, if S4C broadcast them at all. However, DTT allows Channel 4 to be broadcast in Wales alongside S4C.


  • #1271
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    I agree. However the Government have "let it" delay PSB mux since 2001.


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  • #1272
    The Cush
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    watty wrote: »
    ...

    Italy is hardly comparable to Ireland.

    ...
    Ireland isn't comparable at all to these other places.

    If you read my post you will see I wasn't comparing Ireland to Spain or Italy.

    It was in direct reply to icdg's comment quoted "Pay-DTT is not viable. I am trying to think of a major country where it has proved viable." I don't consider Ireland a major country in DTT. It is viable in Italy, in Spain now that ASO has taken place the commercial channels have the capacity to launch pay channels and are planning to do so.

    At least read the post thoroughly before you put your own interpretation on it.
    endakenny wrote: »
    Therefore, TV3 will be available to all areas of the Republic, alongside RTÉ.

    Not necessarily, TV3 will only be available nationwide if they decide to be carried on the PSB Mux which will be available from all transmitters (approx. 188), if they decide to be carried on one the the commercial muxes they may only be available from 44 sites as per RTÉNL's proposed tariff schedule.


  • #1273
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,351 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    watty wrote: »
    The real "original trails" were in 1999! ELEVEN years ago!

    The testing of DVB-T in Dublin goes back even futher - 1997
    To test this synchronisation technique, VALIDATE partners RTÉ and ITIS set up, with the assistance of TDF, a DVB-T Single Frequency Network (SFN) using two transmitters in the Dublin area on 8 November 1997. The transmission mode used for this experiment was 8K, 64QAM, R=2/3, guard interval=1/4. An MPEG-2 Transport Stream generator, an SFN adapter, a DVB-T modulator, and a 1 KW TV transmitter operating at 50 W were set up at the site of Three Rock. A second DVB-T modulator and a 25 W transmitter were set up at the site of Donnybrook. Both transmitters used UHF channel 30. A 34 Mb/s PDH link was established from Three Rock to Donnybrook which fed the second DVB-T modulator with the MPEG2-TS output from the SFN adapter. This complete SFN arrangement was synchronised by using GPS receivers. At a site near Donnybrook where the signals from the two transmitters were at similar levels, the signals was received successfully with a small omni-directional antenna and a professional DVB-T receiver. This field arrangement represents the world’s first SFN operation based on a real primary distribution network according to the ETSI specification.
    ANNEX 5

    List of VALIDATE field trials

    DVB-T Test sites
    Country and Area|Transmitter Location|Operating Date/Time |Operator|Details (Channel, Transmission Power, H/V, ...)
    Ireland Dublin| Three Rock Donnybrook|11/97– |RTÉ |50W / 25W (SFN CH30)

    ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/infowin/docs/fr-106.pdf
    and into 1998
    Field trials in Dublin

    The tests described above concentrated on mobile reception of DVB-T. If mobile reception is possible, it follows that mobile transmission and fixed reception is also a possibility. This application could provide broadcasters with a mobile contribution link. In 1998 RTÉ demonstrated mobile transmission of DVB-T during field trials in Dublin. In these tests an MPEG-2 test sequence was transmitted from a vehicle in Dublin and received at the Three Rock transmitter site. The vehicle had a 10 W transmitter operating on UHF channel 30 (542 MHz) and a log periodic antenna on a mast for stationary transmission or an omnidirectional whip antenna for mobile transmission. The DVB-T mode was QPSK code rate = ½. Reliable reception of a 6 Mbit/s MPEG-2 transport stream was achieved from 24 sites ranging in distance up to 18 km (two stationary with the mast extended, five stationary with the whip antenna, the rest at speeds up to 65 km/hr). Three additional sites gave usable sound but errored vision signals.

    http://www.bjpace.com.cn/data/tec/tec-DVB/DVB%20Publications/DVB-T%20Field%20Trials%20Around%20the%20World.pdf


  • #1274
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty



    Statement by Easy TV
    Monday, 21 July 2008

    EasyTV wishes the consortium selected by the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland well with its roll-out of the Commercial DTT multiplexes.

    The transition to digital is imminent and Ireland along with all EU member states needs to undertake the necessary steps to facilitate analogue switch-off. We wish all involved well with this important and challenging work.

    Liberty Global and RTÉ found their collaboration on the DTT bid fruitful and look forward to working together again in the future.

    C'mon Someone shoot this dog [Pay DTT] and put it out of its misery.
    http://www.rte.ie/about/pressreleases/2008/0721/statementeasytv.html

    Time enough to try and do this after analogue switch off. Let's get the regular Irish TV launched.


  • #1275
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,067 ✭✭✭slegs


    watty wrote: »
    C'mon Someone shoot this dog [Pay DTT] and put it out of its misery.
    http://www.rte.ie/about/pressreleases/2008/0721/statementeasytv.html

    Time enough to try and do this after analogue switch off. Let's get the regular Irish TV launched.

    + 1 Watty.

    This has gone on long enough. Eamon Ryan needs to wake up here and smell the coffee. This needs to be restructured as Saorview with the PSB channles initially anyway. RTE need to be supported in completing the rollout over the next 2 years.

    They should launch on the main transmitters before the World Cup and use the World Cup to launch an information campaign.


  • #1276
    endakenny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭endakenny


    The Cush wrote: »
    Not necessarily, TV3 will only be available nationwide if they decide to be carried on the PSB Mux which will be available from all transmitters (approx. 188), if they decide to be carried on one the the commercial muxes they may only be available from 44 sites as per RTÉNL's proposed tariff schedule.

    Why might TV3 decide not to be carried on the PSB Mux? Surely, it would be in TV3's interests to be available to all viewers in the Republic.


  • #1277
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    endakenny wrote: »
    Why might TV3 decide not to be carried on the PSB Mux? Surely, it would be in TV3's interests to be available to all viewers in the Republic.

    They aren't currently available in some parts of the country as they still refuse to pay for full coverage. As when it was owned by Canwest Rick Hetherington suggested that TV3 could do without the Terrestrial Broadcast Licence and broadcast from the UK and do away with its "30%" Irish programming requirement.


  • #1278
    scath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭scath


    Elmo wrote: »
    DTT details are still available

    http://www.bci.ie/DTT/index.html

    Archive site back online now. Probably server work done or more material transfered to bai.ie...still no mention of the Easy TV offer. Probably waiting to hear back from Easy TV before making the announcement or is there a go-slow affecting them like other gov depts..


  • #1279
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,547 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Elmo wrote: »
    They aren't currently available in some parts of the country as they still refuse to pay for full coverage.

    That may be why they are a test card on DTT at the moment.

    Incidentally there was an item in Sunday Times saying they are sueing RTE (again - yawn) over transmission charges, even though they have agreed the current charges. They have yet to serve papers on RTE (again - yawn). An RTE spokesman said he was surprised because there is a mediation process under way on the matter.

    There were reports on the broadcast section saying they were sueing RTE over a mix up with the Christmas RTE Guide listing on St Stephen's Day. The UTV and TV3 lists were swapped, I was surprised anyone noticed. Of course no papers were served and nothing was heard about it again.

    I think they like to negotiate on the steps of the high court, or at least they like to think they do.


  • #1280
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The Cush wrote: »
    If you read my post you will see I wasn't comparing Ireland to Spain or Italy.

    It was in direct reply to icdg's comment quoted "Pay-DTT is not viable. I am trying to think of a major country where it has proved viable." I don't consider Ireland a major country in DTT. It is viable in Italy, in Spain now that ASO has taken place the commercial channels have the capacity to launch pay channels and are planning to do so.

    Italy's television market is like no other in Europe, I think most people are agreed. Pay TV was very late to come to Italy and the entire analogue terrestrial television system, in spite of very early liberalisation, is now under the control of Silvio Berlisconi through either RAI or Mediaset. Sky Italia is still really in its infancy compared to Sky UK. I wouldn't hold Italy up as an example of a typical European media market at all...

    As for Spain, pay-DTT initally failed there too, as well. I wouldn't consider a year adequate time to judge whether any new service is viable - remember ITV Digital managed to hold out for five years before finally bitting the dust. But if never made money. If it had been launched during a recession, it with never have lasted that long.

    Take a look at countries such as the UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany - all of these countries are going for the either entirely or mostly FTA model. New Zealand was another country where Sky NZ somehow managed to make an analogue terrestrial pay-TV service work. But they are moving to digital satellite, not DTT - the DTT service in New Zealand is another Freeview service.


  • #1281
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Elmo wrote: »
    They aren't currently available in some parts of the country as they still refuse to pay for full coverage. As when it was owned by Canwest Rick Hetherington suggested that TV3 could do without the Terrestrial Broadcast Licence and broadcast from the UK and do away with its "30%" Irish programming requirement.

    RTE NL is responsible for the PSB mux. There are clear % milestones laid down for DTT in the Broadcasting Act 2009. When Tv3 joins the PSB mux then it follows that......


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  • #1282
    The Cush
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    icdg wrote: »
    Italy's television market is like no other in Europe, I think most people are agreed. Pay TV was very late to come to Italy and the entire analogue terrestrial television system, in spite of very early liberalisation, is now under the control of Silvio Berlisconi through either RAI or Mediaset. Sky Italia is still really in its infancy compared to Sky UK. I wouldn't hold Italy up as an example of a typical European media market at all...
    Maybe not typical due to its success, but a successful and viable pay DTT market nonetheless, in reply to your previous comment and one that Sky Italy is chomping at the bit to get into and doesn't want to wait until 2012, as per legislation, hence the complaint to the Commission.
    icdg wrote: »
    As for Spain, pay-DTT initally failed there too, as well. I wouldn't consider a year adequate time to judge whether any new service is viable - remember ITV Digital managed to hold out for five years before finally bitting the dust. But if never made money. If it had been launched during a recession, it with never have lasted that long.
    ITV Digital/OnDigital didn't quiet make five years more like three and a half years of service (Nov 1998 - May 2002). I have posted about the Quiero pay-TV platform previously so am aware of the reasons they failed. The first three European countries to launch DTT also had a pay DTT element UK, Sweden and Spain, two failed (and Sweden almost failed) due to their business model and the expected revenue from DTT pay-tv did not materialise. Lessons were learned from these failures and those countries that launched with pay DTT from 2001 e.g. Finland, Italy have been very successful and of the other countries e.g. Norway, France, Holland etc. no pay DTT operator has failed since the UK and Spain. As I've said previously the problem for Irish pay DTT is the free satellite and terrestrial overspill from the UK.

    The Spanish commercial media groups e.g. Mediapro have been lobbying the Spanish government since 2007 to relaunch pay DTT and finally got their wish late last year. With the new multiplex allocations and unified pay DTT platform they now have the capacity and the platform for a relaunch. Only time will tell how successful they will be.
    icdg wrote: »
    Take a look at countries such as the UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany - all of these countries are going for the either entirely or mostly FTA model. New Zealand was another country where Sky NZ somehow managed to make an analogue terrestrial pay-TV service work. But they are moving to digital satellite, not DTT - the DTT service in New Zealand is another Freeview service.
    Sky New Zealand's analogue service was on its last legs - 20 year old transmitters, parts hard to come by and 1990 Compaq 386 computers controlling the conditional access system which were originally purchased for $22,000 each (the internal clock had to be reset each year since 2000 - Y2K - remember that:eek:).

    But you're not going to believe this - Sky NZ may be going DTT at some time in the future. In March they shut down their analogue network and returned their analogue frequencies in exchange for digital terrestrial bandwidth.


  • #1283
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,547 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The Cush wrote: »


    ITV Digital/OnDigital didn't quiet make five years more like three and a half years of service (Nov 1998 - May 2002).


    If I rember correctly, OnDigital suffered from the requirement of broadcasting using hopelessly low power transmitters alongside high power analogue transmitters. If you can't get the signal out, no one will be watching.

    After ASO, DTT will be the easiest terrestial broadcast TV to receive. If it gets the coverage expected, then it will have a market, particularly for 2nd and 3rd TVs. MMDS was going to fail because it was the wrong technology, and had not worked anywhere else, etc. etc. Doomed, it was. Doomed! Oh, by the way, it is still going strong.


  • #1284
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,351 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    If I rember correctly, OnDigital suffered from the requirement of broadcasting using hopelessly low power transmitters alongside high power analogue transmitters. If you can't get the signal out, no one will be watching.

    The same situation exists in much of the UK today and only at DSO is the problem resolved. Of course overspending on football was another factor.
    Sam Russell wrote: »
    After ASO, DTT will be the easiest terrestial broadcast TV to receive. If it gets the coverage expected, then it will have a market, particularly for 2nd and 3rd TVs.

    Agree 100%.
    Sam Russell wrote: »
    MMDS was going to fail because it was the wrong technology, and had not worked anywhere else, etc. etc. Doomed, it was. Doomed! Oh, by the way, it is still going strong.

    :D Well said.


  • #1285
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    After ASO, DTT will be the easiest terrestial broadcast TV to receive. If it gets the coverage expected, then it will have a market, particularly for 2nd and 3rd TVs. MMDS was going to fail because it was the wrong technology, and had not worked anywhere else, etc. etc. Doomed, it was. Doomed! Oh, by the way, it is still going strong.

    Err, except UPC have been losing MMDS customers to Sky at a viscous pace.

    As I've previously shown there is no market for commercial DTT for 2nd or 3rd tv's in homes that already have UPC or Sky.


  • #1286
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,351 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    scath wrote: »
    Archive site back online now. Probably server work done or more material transfered to bai.ie...still no mention of the Easy TV offer. Probably waiting to hear back from Easy TV before making the announcement or is there a go-slow affecting them like other gov depts..

    It took three weeks last year between Boxer announcing its withdrawal and the BCI announcing the award of licences to OneVision. Its only been about a week yet.

    EDIT: This from today's (Wed 5th) Irish Independent
    Chorus-NTL renamed UPC as it rings changes with new services

    By Thomas Molloy
    Wednesday May 05 2010

    ...

    UPC's owner is also mulling over a contract to roll out the next generation of paid-for TV in Ireland. Liberty Global, along with consortium partner RTE, was offered the contract for Digital Terrestrial Television (DTT) last week when talks with a separate consortium collapsed. DTT will become the transmission method for Ireland's four free-to-air channels by 2012 at the latest.

    UPC's spokesperson yesterday said the DTT contract was "under consideration".

    - Thomas Molloy
    bk wrote: »
    Err, except UPC have been losing MMDS customers to Sky at a viscous pace.
    Probably faster than that more like a vicious pace. ;)


  • #1287
    [Deleted User]
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    If people think that people with pay 10 to 20 euro's a month just to put pay dtt into other rooms,they are deluding themselves.

    A quad lnb on a freesat dish is sub free after it's installed.

    This "oh it will have a market in 2nd and 3rd tv's" is rubbish.


  • #1288
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,067 ✭✭✭slegs


    Pay DTT's only market is to compliment Freesat.

    Package should be to add premium movies and sports packs plus channels NOT on Freesat/Satellite FTA. If you cant get satellite at least you still have some good channel options. Duplicating channel lineups with Freesat is moronic and a massive waste of money all round.

    If this cant be made to work commercially then forget about Pay DTT.


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    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,351 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    slegs wrote: »
    Package should be to add premium movies and sports packs plus channels NOT on Freesat/Satellite FTA. If you cant get satellite at least you still have some good channel options. Duplicating channel lineups with Freesat is moronic and a massive waste of money all round.

    Viewers unable to receive satellite, for whatever reason should have the option to receive these channels via DTT, cable and MMDS. Commercial DTT without the UK channels will not happen.


  • #1290
    Bob_Harris
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    The Cush wrote: »
    Viewers unable to receive satellite, for whatever reason should have the option to receive these channels via DTT, cable and MMDS. Commercial DTT without the UK channels will not happen.

    Yes but if you want the sports package you will be forced to buy the basic package (i.e. sat channels you can get for free, if you have a dish).

    Good marketing sense would allow customers to purchase these sports and movie packs without the basic sub, but that will not happen.


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  • #1291
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,067 ✭✭✭slegs


    The Cush wrote: »
    Viewers unable to receive satellite, for whatever reason should have the option to receive these channels via DTT, cable and MMDS. Commercial DTT without the UK channels will not happen.

    Thats is what is going to kill the proposition though. Paying millions to carry channels that are FTA on satellite just so the people who cant get satellite can get them.

    The people who cant get satellite will be able to receive the PSB channels, Premium channels and channels not FTA on satellite with my proposal whixh is better than they can do today.

    Lumbering the Pay DTT providor with a bill for millions for satellite FTA channels just isnt on. We have to get real here.


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