Serious question: Can someone explain something?

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

If they had even half-decent parents then they would never have committed these crimes.

How can you be sure of that? Seriously...

BTW...evil doesn't exist. It's a word used by people who find it hard to grasp the complexities of mental illness and socially dysfunctional behaviour. Conscience & morality are learned traits. A young baby has no concept of these and are in effect, extremely selfish. Children are gradually taught the difference between right & wrong, and the associated shame/fear with doing something wrong. This shapes their morality.

There's more to it than that. Conditioning is not the only factor that shapes your personality, concience and morals. What of those who have no empathy?

givyjoe81 wrote: »

also please do state how and why you are such an authority on the subject?

Well, I don't have to prove myself to you or anybody else, but if you done some research yourself (it's not that hard) then you would understand that I am quite right .

arrogant and condoscending posts dismissing the education, intelligence or class of other posters.

Mind pointing out to me where I dismissed other posters intelligence and class (Where you got that from, is beyond me...)

Does your expertise and highly advance brain give you access to mind reading powers?

I have not reached that level yet, you will know when I have

While you may assert your views as 'being' expert, the issue is far from black and white, and neither you or other 'professionals' can explain such ghastly human behaviour

Well, this is another opinion/assumption of yours that holds no weight what so ever. You will find that many professionals have many ways of explaining this type of behaviour. Many have theories while others have facts which explains to us why they acted the way they did.

your opinions are little more than guesswork either, albeit 'educated'...

Contrary to what you believe, my statements (not opinions) are fact, not guesswork. You need to do some research on these things in order to have some sort of a chance of debating same.

Antbert wrote: »

As I am not in any way qualified to discuss human behaviour (I haven't even read the relevant Wikipedia pages can you believe) I'll leave my own opinions on the boys' state of mind out of it.

Why would you read that rubbish? Read a proper book ffs... one that is not biased and edited by idiots on the net.

I actually think the best efforts should be made to rehabilitate all criminals. In this case, hopefully it will be easier as they're only children.

There's no arguing that what they did was awful. But they are children, who were subject to awful circumstances.

If it transpires that they actually have something psychologically wrong with them, then they should be provided with psychiatric help.

I don't agree with most of the reactionary responses on here.

As for the rest of your post, I agree.

Ickle Magoo wrote: »

Speaking of not making sense, I'm not sure I even understand what you are writing now. I have already pointed out I said psychosis as defined to my layman terms as an abnormality of mind, you intentionally rubbished that, substituted my intended definition with a specific psychiatric term and have been jumping up and down about the inaccuracy of using a specific psychiatric term er after. .

the thing is, "psychosis" is a specific psychiatric term, and you cant go interchanging it with "abnormality of mind" when you see fit.

Ickle Magoo wrote: »

It was a terrible analogy - you cannot say being short of breath is definitely asthma and not lung cancer, or visa versa when you haven't the evidence for full diagnosis to rule out either or both..

i'm saying neither of those things.

i'm saying you cant interchange the terms asthma and lung cancer because they are both respiratory abnormalities.

its akin to you interchanging psychosis and psychopathy because they are/can be lifelong abnormalities.

i used the analogy to illustrate how your statement was illogical.

I was using life-long psychosis as a very general blanket definition as the boy had clearly been diagnosed with something which one day could be classed as psychopathy - the point I was making was to those who were already labelling these two as psychopaths or inferring their personalities were complete

lifelong psychosis isnt the definition of abnormality, its an example of it

Ickle Magoo wrote: »

My use or blanket definition of psychosis obviously irks you personally but other than a little boring too'ing and fro'ing about the accuracy or inaccuracy of specific clinical definitions used very much out-with a clinical setting, it adds precisely zero to the general discussion.

it irks me because of its inaccuracy in this setting, much as the inaccurate use of any term irks me.

there is a difference in how psychopaths and psychotic people are held accountable for their actions, and how they are treated by the criminal justice system and teh psychiatric services, so i think pointing out that they are not interchangeable adds a lot to teh discussion.

interchanging the terms only muddies the waters unnecessarily.

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

The sad truth is that these two boys were born the same as the rest of us and we are just as capable of this **** as anyone else given the right set of circumstances.

Ignorance like that makes me wanna shove a stick down your throat.

Giana Sour Housetop wrote: »

How can you be sure of that? Seriously...

How can you be sure that if you picked a fight with Manny Pacquiao you'd lose? Seriously...
How can you be sure that if you bite a pitbulls ear it'll bite you back? Seriously...
How can you be sure that if you buy a puppy and beat it every day of it's life and reward it whenever it attacks somone that it'll grow up to be vicious? Seriously...

You can't but it's fairly fukking likely.

Giana Sour Housetop wrote: »

So you are saying that the following statement is true?



How many criminals, rapists, murderers etc etc, have half decent parents? Your statements are laughable...

At least have the decency to post on your main account...

Although I am certainly lacking in decency my main account isn't accessible due to the whole hacking fiasco. I'm saying that people are a product of thier experiences rather than: some people are just evil, possesed by demons on thier christening and were always going to be like that no matter what. Although some rapists and murderers had decents parents I believe that having decent parents doesn't cast iron garauntee that other negative influences wont effect you during your life.

At least have the decency to give that horse you're flogging a decent burial.

At least have the decency to give that horse you're flogging a decent burial.
Do you think the fact that thier father, the man that raised them and thought them most of what they know and believe in had no influence on how they turned out? Do you believe that if they had of been raised in totally different circumstances by totally different people they would have turned out exactly the same?

MaybeLogic wrote: »

You sorta proved his point with that.

I was just about to post the same .. doh!

Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »

Lol! Yeah, he sure is a badass mofo for not posting his main account.:pac:

:rolleyes:

strobe wrote: »

Although I am certainly lacking in decency my main account isn't accessible due to the whole hacking fiasco. I'm saying that people are a product of thier experiences rather than: some people are just evil, possesed by demons on thier christening and were always going to be like that no matter what.

Have you any experience in the human behaviour? Any education at all? These questions I already know the answer to.

Anyway, are you saying that there is no way that people may have something wrong with them since birth? If this is what you think, then you need to educate yourself further in this field.

Although some rapists and murderers had decents parents I believe that having decent parents doesn't cast iron garauntee that other negative influences wont effect you during your life.

Having good or bad parents does not have a certain effect on how you will end up. If these kids had good parents, do you really think that they definately would not have done this?

At least have the decency to give that horse you're flogging a decent burial.

At least have the decency to give that horse you're flogging a decent burial.
Do you think the fact that thier father, the man that raised them and thought them most of what they know and believe in had no influence on how they turned out? Do you believe that if they had of been raised in totally different circumstances by totally different people they would have turned out exactly the same?

You need to read my posts in this thread. It's pretty obvious you haven't read most of this thread...

Either way, you cannot say for certain what way they would have turned out if they were raised differantly... To claim otherwise is seriously stupid.

Giana Sour Housetop wrote: »

Have you any experience in the human behaviour? Any education at all? These questions I already know the answer to.

Have I any experience in human behaviour? Do you mean have I lived on Earth? Or have I lived in a room with armed gaurds on the doors making sure I never spoke to another human being? Yes I have experience of human behaviour. What with being a human living amongst humans and all...... Education? Well someone thought me how to play draughts before, I was probably thought how to type and speak English aswell seeing as I'm typing this, so yes

Anyway, are you saying that there is no way that people may have something wrong with them since birth? If this is what you think, then you need to educate yourself further in this field.

No that's not what I'm saying, its obvious thats not what I'm saying. I can't possibly see how you could think that's what I am saying unless you haven't been educated in draughts and typing and English.


Having good or bad parents does not have a certain effect on how you will end up. If these kids had good parents, do you really think that they definately would not have done this?

Yes having good or bad parents does have a certain effect on how you will end up. Just ask..........well ask anyone. Also yes, I do really think if they had different parents then they wouldn't have done this because every sinlge experience would have been different and they would be different people.



You need to read my posts in this thread. It's pretty obvious you haven't read most of this thread...

I read all of the thread and posted on it two or three times before the hack. So what's pretty obvious to you isn't necessarily correct? We will agree on that point after I make this post at least.

Either way, you cannot say for certain what way they would have turned out if they were raised differantly... To claim otherwise is seriously stupid.

You agree completely with my Pacquiao-pitbull-puppy analogy then? Good.

Can't work multi-quote, see the bold.

strobe wrote: »

Have I any experience in human behaviour? Do you mean have I lived on Earth? Or have I lived in a room with armed gaurds on the doors making sure I never spoke to another human being? Yes I have experience of human behaviour. What with being a human living amongst humans and all...... Education? Well someone thought me how to play draughts before, I was probably thought how to type and speak English aswell seeing as I'm typing this, so yes

You obviously have little or no education in the area of human behaviour. We can agree on that, right?

No that's not what I'm saying, its obvious thats not what I'm saying. I can't possibly see how you could think that's what I am saying unless you haven't been educated in draughts and typing and English.

You are just talking shíte now...

Yes having good or bad parents does have a certain effect on how you will end up. Just ask..........well ask anyone. Also yes, I do really think if they had different parents then they wouldn't have done this because every sinlge experience would have been different and they would be different people.

The part I highlighted is what I found to be extremely funny . How exactly can you be 100% certain that these events would not have taken place if they had good parents? That's a rediculous claim to make.

I read all of the thread and posted on it two or three times before the hack. So what's pretty obvious to you isn't necessarily correct? We will agree on that point after I make this post at least.

Well I think you need to read it again, because you missed quite a lot.

You agree completely with my Pacquiao-pitbull-puppy analogy then? Good.

Your analogies were quite pathetic, biased and how you came to the conclusion that I actually agreed with them is beyond me...

Giana Sour Housetop wrote: »

You obviously have little or no education in the area of human behaviour. We can agree on that, right?

I do in a sense. I had to undergo a 12 week course in addictive behaviours. I'm not saying that that makes me an expert in psychiatry or that it has anything to do with what we are discussing, I never claimed to be, not even once, but thats what education I have in the field. HOW ABOUT YOU?

You are just talking shíte now...

Didn't get the joke? Didn't think you would.


The part I highlighted is what I found to be extremely funny . How exactly can you be 100% certain that these events would not have taken place if they had good parents? That's a rediculous claim to make.

See the part I highlighted up there? When or where have I claimed to be 100% certain of anything? Where has anyone in this thread done that? You are pointing out faults in arguments that haven't been put forward and that don't have that fault. Why?

Well I think you need to read it again, because you missed quite a lot.

What did I miss? Quote the parts I missed. Please.

Your analogies were quite pathetic, biased and how you came to the conclusion that I actually agreed with them is beyond me...

Pathetic? Biased? Conclusion? The? So the cops knew internal affairs were setting them up????

Bold again.