Serious question: Can someone explain something?

Biggins

Serious question: Can someone explain something why young possible psychopaths are allowed to be given new identities in most cases when they get out?
They get out at 18 (or younger), move away and where ever they go to, the law/police/employers are not able to find out how dangerous these psycho's are!
Their cases are sealed to all!
(Sending them to prison is punishment for their crimes - not treatment - so the likelihood is that they will come out the same, just older and stronger!!!)

News story today where two boys are brutally attacked...
During their terrifying ordeal the boys were subjected to the following:

NOTE: Covered by spoilers given the strong nature of the harm done.
Please don't read if easily upset.

Made to try and kill themselves
Stripped naked and forced to perform sex acts
Burned the eyelids and ears of the nine-year-old
Choked with a clothes line
Sink and heavy stones and other objects dropped on their heads
Forced to eat dirt and nettles
Told they would be killed
Had arm cut open and a lit cigarette pushed into open wound
Throats scratched with broken glass
Burned under plastic sheet
...and probably more that they "can't" prove

Such was the full level of violence and things done to the boys that the Gordon Brown himself is asking for a full legal review!

News story (again, not easy reading) that has me bloody wondering if sometimes the law is doing the right thing: HERE

genericguy

this is because the world is run by liberal pc pricks who think that this kind of carry on is a cry for help, rather than cutting through the shit and saying things as they are - some people are cnuts, and cnuts beget more cnuts. in cases like this, keys should be thrown away, and bastards like that should be harvested for organs.

Dr. Feelgood

thats ****ing awful

Sanjuro

This is a failure on the parts of the police, social workers, parents of the attackers and society in general. These animals... actually, animals wouldn't do that to their own. These little sh*ts deserve to be named and shamed. What they have done should follow them to their graves. To hell with protecting their anonymity. They should be exposed and used as examples to others.

OutlawPete

Maybe they feel that a fresh name and start would make them less likely to re-offend.

The prison system gets a lot of stick for just punishing people while no effort is put into rehabilitation.

Most criminals come out more criminally educated than they went in.

extra-ordinary_

Absolutely awful, but the two perpetrators were only children themselves.

genericguy

Dr. Feelgood wrote: »

thats ****ing awful

awful isn't the half of it. those two bastards made one of the kids try to kill himself by forcing him to stuff a stick down his own throat. a child of 9 or 10. if that was ever to happen to any future child i may have, i'd dissolve the two pricks alive. whether the offenders are children or not, i hope they get fcuking tortured in prison.

Biggins

OutlawPete wrote: »

Maybe they feel that a fresh name and start would make them less likely to re-offend.

Possibly but (and I'm not sure what the statistic's are so I most likely can be wrong) I think the majority % of those that come out, do indeed re-offend again.

OutlawPete wrote: »

Most criminals come out more criminally educated than they went in.

Very true.

Depressing.

walshb

I read about that. These guys are plain evil, they will not be healed or rehabilitated.
Some people are born evil, it's no different than some people being born with red hair or black hair etc. These two are evil, always will be. Bullet to the head now to prevent any future damage

WindSock

Community mental health care doesn't work for violent psychopaths. A bad decision made by the services involved.

BluesBerry

If anyone did that to a member of my family I would get my justice
I would fúcking end those little bastards life scum like that dont deserve the animosity they will get, another case of protecting the offender
Their identities be made public they should be publicly flogged They are just pure evil and dont tell me the need rehabilitation they need to be locked up for LIFE and life should mean life

I feel sick after reading that those 2 poor boys what will there life be like now that was just horrendous what happened to them their lives will never be the same again they will have to carry that around with them forever

MaybeLogic

A whole re-examination of the society that can produce animals like this would be more appropriate than calling for the execution of children.
The name change is to protect them from further punishment after release ,one would assume.
If they are deemed fit for release,I'm sure the proper authorities will know how to locate them and something like a perma-tag to monitor thier movements should be fitted.

sbsquarepants

If you ask me anybody capable of doing something like that at, any age, is just bad plain and simple, they will never be any other way. Whether they get out in 5, 10, 20 or 50 years, they will still be the same nasty pieces of **** they are now. I'm sure if you looked into it their parents are also wastes of space and probably their parents too. Very few decent families produce scumbag kids, and certainly very few scumbag families produce decent kids. There are exceptions obviously, but not many. I look around my are and i can see 6 and 7 year olds that i could guarantee will be in jail in 10 - 12 years time. Sometimes people are just no good!

WindSock

They may be anonymous to the community but they are not anonymous to the services. I am sure they and the Bulger guys get regularlarly checked, it still doesn't ensure that the community are safe. The unfortunate thing about psychopaths is that they are generally quite intelligent.

extra-ordinary_

walshb wrote: »

I read about that. These guys are plain evil, thy will not be healed or rehabilitated.
Some people are born evil, it's no different than some people being born with red hair or black hair etc. These two are evil, always will be. Bullet to the head now to prevent any future damage

The sad truth is that these two boys were born the same as the rest of us and we are just as capable of this **** as anyone else given the right set of circumstances.

MissIT

I don't care if the offenders are children they should be locked up for good.

Even though i generally live by "an eye for an eye leaves the world blind"
i would have a bit of trouble being sympathetic if they ever did get a taste of there own medicine.

Disgusting.

Blazer

Absolutely horrific...scum like these cannot be rehabilitated no matter what do-gooders say.
I remember reading the Jamie Bulger story and my heart broke thinking "how could kids do something like this"?
If anything ever happened to any of my family like this I don't care what age the attackers were they'd be long dead before it ever came to court..
I'd gladly serve the rest of my life in jail just to save some other innocent life or having another parent go through something like this.

c - 13

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

The sad truth is that these two boys were born the same as the rest of us and we are just as capable of this **** as anyone else given the right set of circumstances.

I'm sorry but I don't believe that. What are the "right circumstances" for doing that to two children of a similar age ? There are none, that isn't normal human behavior.

Biggins

MaybeLogic wrote: »

If they are deemed fit for release,I'm sure the proper authorities will know how to locate them and something like a perma-tag to monitor thier movements should be fitted.

(Not necessarily disagreeing with the your good points, just following up on a few points.)
* The problem is that after the years they will spend inside, they will become (probably) very well educated as to what to tell the parole board and how to behave in front of them.
* Will the authorities really be able to track them day to day? They (the sick sods) might claim that such constant lengthy tracking would be an infringement of their human rights (sick twist of irony but wouldn't put it past such sick people to claim it)
* I like the perma-tag idea to some extent (short term) but for how long and as per the reason above just mentioned, would it really prove effective in the long run?

Sealing their records completely and changing their names absolutely, is highly risky (I suspect myself).
I 'm not advocating that their names and crimes should be shouted from the roof tops of a city hall but its seems either one extreme or the other, they are known to the police and subsequently be occasional observed or (wherever they will move to eventually) the local police will not have a clue about such possible phyco's in their (new) area.
I scratch my head for a compromise solution to such a problem.

sbsquarepants

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

The sad truth is that these two boys were born the same as the rest of us and we are just as capable of this **** as anyone else given the right set of circumstances.

Nonsense! To put it mildly.
Thats just politically correct bollox. We aren't all born the same, not by any stretch of the imagination, nor are we all capable of this. This is sick and disgusting and down right evil, just like the 2 little bastards who done it. I'm not anything like that and either are 99% of people

WindSock

c - 13 wrote: »

I'm sorry but I don't believe that. What are the "right circumstances" for doing that to two children of a similar age ? There are none, that isn't normal human behavior.

There is no amount of social conditioning that produces psychopaths. They can exist in any spectrum of society.

miss_shadow

Unfortunately it's a cycle which gets pregressively worse, those boys parents were probably (obviously) very very bad parents who mentally and physically harmed them who thought nothing wrong them playing grand theft auto at the age of six.
And those boys will go on to have children of their own, taken into care with social workers as part of their normal day to day life and the cycle goes on and gets worse!!..

I don't think I have known a person who has been in care to be mentally and/or emotionally stable,and I have come across a few in my time. maybe the odd few have battled against it but in my own opinion the majority have issues they cannot resolve.

givyjoe81

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

The sad truth is that these two boys were born the same as the rest of us and we are just as capable of this **** as anyone else given the right set of circumstances.

Bullsh1t.. while some or all of us may have treated other kids cruely or mean when we were kids, 99.999999% of people would never come near doing what these kids did.. Not only did they do this to these two kids, they tried a week previously to do it to someone else. This time they went somewhere more secluded to ensure they wouldnt be disturbed. Im sure many of us could do fcuked up things if we were treated badly enough as kids but i highly many, if any of us would sink that low.

MaybeLogic

Biggins wrote: »

(Not necessarily disagreeing with the your good points, just following up on a few points.)
* The problem is that after the years they will spend inside, they will become (probably) very well educated as to what to tell the parole board and how to behave in front of them.
* Will the authorities really be able to track them day to day? They (the sick sods) might claim that such constant lengthy tracking would be an infringement of their human rights (sick twist of irony but wouldn't put it past such sick people to claim it)
* I like the perma-tag idea to some extent (short term) but for how long and as per the reason above just mentioned, would it really prove effective in the long run?

Sealing their records completely and changing their names absolutely, is highly risky (I suspect myself).
I 'm not advocating that their names and crimes should be shouted from the roof tops of a city hall but its seems either one extreme or the other, they are known to the police and subsequently be occasional observed or (wherever they will move to eventually) the local police will not have a clue about such possible phyco's in their (new) area.
I scratch my head for a compromise solution to such a problem.

They didn't actually kill anyone.
And as children they can only be punished to a certain extent ,as the law stands.
Then we would have to talk about keeping them locked up for their potential to commit crime,a dangerous road to go down.
One can only hope that the authorites will be dilligent in monitoring them after release.

Ickle Magoo

miss_shadow wrote: »

I don't think I have known a person who has been in care to be mentally and/or emotionally stable,and I have come across a few in my time. maybe the odd few have battled against it but in my own opinion the majority have issues they cannot resolve.

That's complete & utter horse-shít. How many people who have spent time in care do you actually know?! There are hundreds of thousands of fully functioning members of the public who have spent time in care & you would never know. :rolleyes:

extra-ordinary_

c - 13 wrote: »

I'm sorry but I don't believe that. What are the "right circumstances" for doing that to two children of a similar age ? There are none, that isn't normal human behavior.

It's not 'normal' human behaviour, but it is human behaviour and these boys were born the same as the rest of us.

Give me two new-born babies, and I'm quite sure I could develop them into far worse monsters than these two boys.

Bazzy

Why hell was invented if you ask me and i hope they burn in the fires of it there.

The same should be done to them as punishment

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Sanjuro wrote: »

This is a failure on the parts of the police, social workers, parents of the attackers and society in general. These animals... actually, animals wouldn't do that to their own. These little sh*ts deserve to be named and shamed. What they have done should follow them to their graves. To hell with protecting their anonymity. They should be exposed and used as examples to others.

How have the police and social workers failed?

walshb wrote: »

I read about that. These guys are plain evil, they will not be healed or rehabilitated.
Some people are born evil, it's no different than some people being born with red hair or black hair etc. These two are evil, always will be. Bullet to the head now to prevent any future damage

There's an evil gene? :eek:

c - 13 wrote: »

I'm sorry but I don't believe that. What are the "right circumstances" for doing that to two children of a similar age ? There are none, that isn't normal human behavior.

Conditioning I believe he meant. Psychopaths are born as they are, scientists believe and there is no cure. One could ask, is it their fault? Are there any known psychopaths that co exist with "normal" people? Who are not hate fueled monsters?

Society does not have a great understanding of psychopaths, nor do they have a good way of dealing with them. "lock 'em up for life" etc etc. It's not always the best way to deal with psychopaths. To know how to deal with them effectively and efficiently, more research needs to be done. Labotomy's worked, but well... that's not very PC, now is it? :P

Biggins

MaybeLogic wrote: »

(1) They didn't actually kill anyone.
(2) And as children they can only be punished to a certain extent, as the law stands.
(3) Then we would have to talk about keeping them locked up for their potential to commit crime, a dangerous road to go down.
(4) One can only hope that the authorities will be diligent in monitoring them after release.

(1) They tried damn hard enough, thankfully they failed (although given possible scared mental state of the two survivors in future years to come, one must wonder is it a blessing or a curse).
(2) Absolutely true in most cases and understandable.
(3) Very true.
(4) We can hope but given an already over burdened system, lack of staff numbers, funding (lack of too), etc, I wouldn't hold out much hope in that being successful at all.

uncleoswald

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Nonsense! To put it mildly.
Thats just politically correct bollox. We aren't all born the same, not by any stretch of the imagination, nor are we all capable of this. This is sick and disgusting and down right evil, just like the 2 little bastards who done it. I'm not anything like that and either are 99% of people

So you are saying they are born like this? Kind of like a disability? Maybe there is a test you can develop that you can give all children to find this evil gene and then they can be locked up/exterminated before they can harm anyone...?

ArmaniJeanss

Biggins wrote: »

Serious question: ]

Its not really a serious question is it, Biggins?
If it was you'd have asked it in Humanities or Politics and you'd have got a serious debate where your opinion would likely have been rebutted.
If it was a serious question you wouldn't have asked it in the immediate aftermath of this courtcase (knowing full well that the proximity of the case would lead to the boards nutjobs trying to outdo each other thinking up violent punishments).

slipss

WindSock wrote: »

There is no amount of social conditioning that produces psychopaths. They can exist in any spectrum of society.

Two born into the same family? Unless you're suggesting psychopaths inherit a gene that makes them the way they are it's obviously environmental. It's possible that some people are more inclined to psychopathic behaviour or to commiting actions we deem as "evil" from birth but I'd feel comfortable in saying that if these two kids grew up in completely different circumstances they wouldn't be the people they are today and wouldn't have done something like this. It's not pinko liberal bullsh1t to draw that conclusion it's common sense.

I heard about the case a while ago, it's horrific, if it was my kids that had this done to them whoever did it would be dead on site.

givyjoe81

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

It's not 'normal' human behaviour, but it is human behaviour and these boys were born the same as the rest of us.

Give me two new-born babies, and I'm quite sure I could develop them into far worse monsters than these two boys.

By that logic, the two kids who were almost killed in this circumstance will themselves turn out to be psychopaths, and that simply isnt true, nor will it ever be. The fact is incidents like this are extremely rare, despite the number of bad/scumbag parents and scumbag kids, some people are just nasty/evil, whatever you want to call it.

Biggins

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Its not really a serious question is it, Biggins?
If it was you'd have asked it in Humanities or Politics and you'd have got a serious debate where your opinion would likely have been rebutted.
If it was a serious question you wouldn't have asked it in the immediate aftermath of this courtcase (knowing full well that the proximity of the case would lead to the boards nutjobs trying to outdo each other thinking up violent punishments).

No, its a serious question being put to the general public, not just to what some MIGHT see as a more psychophysical section.

I have not heard about this case previously. When I read what I read, the question posed re-emerged into my mind.
Why shouldn't it be posed here? Those with any good humanity and decency will reply one way or another in good faith. So far they have done so.
There has been no "funny" or "smart"" replies so far (and I very appreciate the genuine thoughts and feelings expressed by others here).
So far, fellow members here are showing themselves that they are up to a serious debate every so often. Well done to them.

slipss

givyjoe81 wrote: »

By that logic, the two kids who were almost killed in this circumstance will themselves turn out to be psychopaths, and that simply isnt true, nor will it ever be. The fact is incidents like this are extremely rare, despite the number of bad/scumbag parents and scumbag kids, some people are just nasty/evil, whatever you want to call it.

So it's your opinion that if the two boys were raised on a banana plantation in Brazil by a loving family and therfor every experience in thier life from the day they were born was infinately different that they still would have been capable and willing to do what they did? Really?

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

Serious question: Can someone explain something why young psychopaths (...............)

And they've been diagnosed as such?

Ickle Magoo

slipss wrote: »

So it's your opinion that if the two boys were raised on a banana plantation in Brazil by a loving family and therfor every experience in thier life from the day they were born was infinately different that they still would have been capable and willing to do what they did? Really?

How do you prove they wouldn't?

WindSock

slipss wrote: »

Two born into the same family? Unless you're suggesting psychopaths inherit a gene that makes them the way they are it's obviously environmental. It's possible that some people are more inclined to psychopathic behaviour or to commiting actions we deem as "evil" from birth but I'd feel comfortable in saying that if these two kids grew up in completely different circumstances they wouldn't be the people they are today and wouldn't have done something like this. It's not pinko liberal bullsh1t to draw that conclusion it's common sense.

I heard about the case a while ago, it's horrific, if it was my kids that had this done to them whoever did it would be dead on site.

I suppose you have a point there about them being brothers. Perhaps though it is the older or more dominant one that made the evil decisions and the younger one went along with it out of fear or respect for his authority or whatever. Like the Bulger case, they said one was the psychopathic decsion maker and the other was his follower.

pickarooney

givyjoe81 wrote: »

By that logic, the two kids who were almost killed in this circumstance will themselves turn out to be psychopaths, and that simply isnt true, nor will it ever be. The fact is incidents like this are extremely rare, despite the number of bad/scumbag parents and scumbag kids, some people are just nasty/evil, whatever you want to call it.

Have a look at the armies of child soldiers in places like Sierra Leone and the monstrous acts they carry out on their fellow human-beings. They can't all be born evil. They're conditioned, from a very young age, to be evil, like these guys.

MaybeLogic

slipss wrote: »

So it's your opinion that if the two boys were raised on a banana plantation in Brazil by a loving family and therfor every experience in thier life from the day they were born was infinately different that they still would have been capable and willing to do what they did? Really?

Why not?
I'm of the opinion psychopaths are nurtured,myself.
They usually have the emotion beaten out of them at a young age.

Ickle Magoo

Nodin wrote: »

And they've been diagnosed as such?

IIRC the child psychologist on the case said the younger brother had the potential to develop into a psychopath - which would infer neither are actually psychopaths at the moment, or at least no one has diagnosed them as such. I'm not actually not sure of the legalities of being able to label a still growing and changing child's personality as life long psychosis, I suspect it's frowned upon.

givyjoe81

slipss wrote: »

So it's your opinion that if the two boys were raised on a banana plantation in Brazil by a loving family and therfor every experience in thier life from the day they were born was infinately different that they still would have been capable and willing to do what they did? Really?

The likely hood would of course be reduced.. do you really think that there aren't complete psycho's out there who were raised by loving, good people?! How many of the recent wife killers were from broken families? (Now i know they aint pscyho's, they still committed murder..) What is the background of these two kids anyway? Do we know for a fact their parents were scum, bad parents etc.

'Evil' people dont just come from 'broken families..

WindSock

pickarooney wrote: »

Have a look at the armies of child soldiers in places like Sierra Leone and the monstrous acts they carry out on their fellow human-beings. They can't all be born evil. They're conditioned, from a very young age, to be evil, like these guys.

I was trying to think of an example, but I was afraid to Godwin the thread. Thanks for that one.

However it is those that lead them that are to be questioned on the state of their mental health.

givyjoe81

pickarooney wrote: »

Have a look at the armies of child soldiers in places like Sierra Leone and the monstrous acts they carry out on their fellow human-beings. They can't all be born evil. They're conditioned, from a very young age, to be evil, like these guys.

A war torn country in africa, and a council estate in England are very different places, the lines between right and wrong are far more blurred in the former, many of the kids from the former not having any education whatsoever, to compare the two is just silly and way too simplistic.

You are effectively saying.. 'ah sure its not their fault.. blame the parents'.. bullsh1t, society does play its part in this, by justifying or making excuses for sh1t like this, people, whether children or not need to take responsibility for their actions. Especially such callous pre meditated acts.

slipss

Ickle Magoo wrote: »

How do you prove they wouldn't?

Is that an actual question you're asking me or is it retorical? How can anyone prove an alternate reality.......It just seems to me that in my short and colourful life peoples personality (and dogs for that matter) are products of thier environment more than fully preprogammed entities.

Biggins

Nodin wrote: »

And they've been diagnosed as such?

Good point as regarding them in particular. Its one I can't answer due to lack of access by the public to their assessed mental state records.
I don't use them in particular - just as a possible example given the deep level of underlying aggression and lack of humanity possessed by such sick individuals. Nothing more.

I posed (and still do) the general question as regarding what we see as possible "phyco's", and if indeed such mental disturbed citizens are allowed to access all facilities and come in contact with people, should their possible mental state be kept buried in a sealed report and their old identities/actions and history unknown there after?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Nonsense! To put it mildly.
Thats just politically correct bollox. We aren't all born the same, not by any stretch of the imagination, nor are we all capable of this. This is sick and disgusting and down right evil, just like the 2 little bastards who done it. I'm not anything like that and either are 99% of people

You are right, it's pretty rare, but... we have a serious misunderstanding of this defect. There are no cures and therapy doesn't work. If anything Therapy gives the psycopath new skills to persuade and charm people.

uncleoswald wrote: »

So you are saying they are born like this? Kind of like a disability? Maybe there is a test you can develop that you can give all children to find this evil gene and then they can be locked up/exterminated before they can harm anyone...?

Psychopaths are born with some sort of a nuerological defect. Pre emptive detention/execution is pretty stupid. Can't punish somebody for something they may or may not do, unless they solicit to do harm.

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Its not really a serious question is it, Biggins?
If it was you'd have asked it in Humanities or Politics and you'd have got a serious debate where your opinion would likely have been rebutted.
If it was a serious question you wouldn't have asked it in the immediate aftermath of this courtcase (knowing full well that the proximity of the case would lead to the boards nutjobs trying to outdo each other thinking up violent punishments).

The fcuk is the point of this post?

slipss wrote: »

Two born into the same family? Unless you're suggesting psychopaths inherit a gene that makes them the way they are it's obviously environmental.

I don't think your opinion matters when you are trying to debunk hard fact... I never heard of psycopaths inheriting a "psychopath" gene. See above for simple explanation. Conditioning can have an influence, but the complexity surrounding the reasons why psychopaths are the way they are runs a lot deeper.

It's possible that some people are more inclined to psychopathic behaviour or to commiting actions we deem as "evil" from birth but I'd feel comfortable in saying that if these two kids grew up in completely different circumstances they wouldn't be the people they are today and wouldn't have done something like this. It's not pinko liberal bullsh1t to draw that conclusion it's common sense.

You couldn't be more wrong. Fortunately, educated people have drawn the real conclusion, which is explained briefly above. Imagine we have average joe soap comming up with conclusions, would make for a great Mad Max prequel.]

Conditioning and exposure to non "normal" things may influence ones actions and perception of the world, it may desensitise you, but that does not make you a psychopath, that is a differant thing altogether.

givyjoe81 wrote: »

By that logic, the two kids who were almost killed in this circumstance will themselves turn out to be psychopaths,

That is not conditioning, that is being exposed to one very traumatic event which is unlikely to turn you insane. They may be scarred for life, psycologicaly but you don't turn into a psycopath due to being exposed to such trauma.

and that simply isnt true, nor will it ever be. The fact is incidents like this are extremely rare, despite the number of bad/scumbag parents and scumbag kids, some people are just nasty/evil, whatever you want to call it.

They sure are, but what causes this? It's not uncommon to have a family of "scumbag parents" and the kids are fine or vise versa...

Ickle Magoo

slipss wrote: »

Is that an actual question you're asking me or is it retorical? How can anyone prove an alternate reality.......It just seems to me that in my short and colourful life peoples personality (and dogs for that matter) are products of thier environment more than fully preprogammed entities.

It was an actual question. If you are going to use an alternative reality to try and prove your point, I was just curious how that works. It's easy to say if someone had X, Y or Z that whatever would never have happened but I'm not sure how you actually prove that is categorically the case - there for rendering the point moot. I suspect both upbringing and natural predilection plays a part - some people are raised in horrendous situations and abused beyond comprehension and don't go on to hurt other people. There seems to have to be a particular set of circumstances at work for these, thankfully rare, cases to occur and how a child is raised seems to be only one par of that.

givyjoe81

Giana Sour Housetop wrote: »

You couldn't be more wrong. Fortunately, educated people have drawn the real conclusion, which is explained briefly above. Imagine we have average joe soap comming up with conclusions, would make for a great Mad Max prequel.]

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I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but i dont think its deserved, just who the hell are you to imply that i and others here are not educated?! Even if you are an expert on the matter, which i highly doubt, your opinion is just one, and im sure they are many other 'experts' who would disagree/disprove your assertions...

Yours sincerely..

Joe Soap.:rolleyes:

uncleoswald

Giana Sour Housetop wrote: »

Pre emptive detention/execution is pretty stupid. Can't punish somebody for something they may or may not do, unless they solicit to do harm

I was been sarcastic. Should have used the eye roll smiley :rolleyes:

Biggins

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Seriously. Post 2 blamed various world governments, and suggested the kids should be butchered for organs.
Post 7 wanted to execute them by dissolving them in acid.
Post 8 wanted to execute them as well (by relatively humane bullet).
By post 40+ the answers will be less sensible.

As I understand you wanted a discussion on the rights or wrongs of highprofile criminals getting a new identity after time served.
Good luck.

People give an emotional response.
We are human and we have to accept that.
Those people that replied with the posts above, if you sat them down at a table I'm quite sure they would be willing to also give more straight, frank and progressive/genuine responses too based on the way the actual law and society works, and they being fully aware of the fuller picture.

Allow people to be true to their nature - so far I have seen not one post that has tried to turn this thread into a general "funny" talk/topic.

...and we are up to post number 50+ now