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Indie Clubs in Dublin Clueless / Confused about their Identity...

  • 27-12-2009 3:52pm
    #1
    keanooo
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    I'd like to hear back from folk about their opinion on the Indie Club scene in Dublin. In my opinion it has really gone downhill in the last year or so.

    Whelan's used to be one of the best clubs in Dublin on a Saturday night. In the last year they have had a variety of DJs that seem completely clueless and one fella in particular who plays tracks that really would be better suited to Break for the Boarder (my second favourite indie club).

    Ever since The Globe has begun opening late Rí-Rá has really died a death. There is very little atmosphere in there now and the only nights with a bit of life is when the punters are coked off their heads (Thursdays if memory serves) even though it's free in every night. Again DJs confused and conflicted about their musical identity. Madonna thrown in on an indie night.

    Next mini-rant pertains to Hogan's. In fairness this isn't what I would consider a traditional indie club. It's more hip-hop beat or whatever you want to call it (you know, the kind of music the cool cats from the ramp in Trinity used to listen to)... Even within that genre this year has been terrible for the guys on the decks downstairs in Hogan's ("Come back Mr. Moto, all is forgiven"). They are unable to generate a decent atmosphere on the floor, and as soon as they get anything going they change it up and kill the place.

    Sin É why have you forsaken mé... Sin É is still good on a decent night. That bushy-top DJ with the semi-shaven beard who doesn't like talking to anyone or taking requests still has a tight set and has a good feel for the crowd. But there has been too many a dud night there this year for them to be left out of the hall of shame. Even bushy-top played 'All the single ladies' one night... no better song to buy with your 30 pieces of silver...

    I'd love to get feedback from the common people out there. Anywhere new out there that's good?

    If anyone is friendly with these DJs could you tell them that they need no longer sell their souls... he's already in them.
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  • #2
    Nolanger
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    They're all sh1te - the best Dublin Indie club was Dazed - sadly gone now.


  • #3
    Beastieboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Beastieboy


    keanooo wrote: »
    Ever since The Globe has begun opening late Rí-Rá has really died a death. There is very little atmosphere in there now and the only nights with a bit of life is when the punters are coked off their heads (Thursdays if memory serves) even though it's free in every night. Again DJs confused and conflicted about their musical identity. Madonna thrown in on an indie night.

    Haha, my house mate is one of the dj's on a thursday night in RiRa....... They're not trying to put on a strict indie night that night in fairness....... I stood in on him djing a few weeks ago and he had the place totally rocking, the dance floor was filled the whole night and people were loving the songs he was putting on. He basically changes the mood every hour or so. So he'll end up having an hour of indie, an hour of soul, an hour of rock etc...... throws in alot of more eclectic stuff too that you wouldn't hear...... trys to compromise between pleasing the masses and pleasing himself.....

    check out Thomas house, they have whole nights with a particular genre...... anytime i've been there theres been a pretty good atmosphere..... alot of NCAD students hang out there...... not sure what music is on what night........ check it out......


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    Beastieboy wrote: »
    So he'll end up having an hour of indie, an hour of soul, an hour of rock etc......

    This kinda thing drives me mad - why even bother? If you try to please everyone you'll end up pleasing no one, except the clowns that wondered in off the street and dont care what he plays anyway.

    Its like if someone is asked what kind of music they like and they say "all kinds", what that generally means in real terms is "no kind", ie: the radio or whatever.

    Agree about some dj(s) recently coming out with some seriously dodge stuff a few months ago but Whelans is definately still the best at the moment (of what we have), unless theres somewhere better that I dont know about.

    Pravda usually has great tunes on a Saturday night, no atmosphere and its not really the kinda place I'd be in for a whole night but yes the music has been to my liking every time ive been on a Saturday. The DJ fella seems sound too.

    Tranmission in the Button Factory was the biggest waste of a nightout in ages, pure electro, I dont even know why people refer to this as an indie night.

    The Village has gone to the dogs, upstairs anyway. More of this one hour for each genre stuff.


  • #5
    keanooo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭keanooo


    nm wrote: »

    Its like if someone is asked what kind of music they like and they say "all kinds", what that generally means in real terms is "no kind", ie: the radio or whatever.

    Agree about some dj(s) recently coming out with some seriously dodge stuff a few months ago but Whelans is definately still the best at the moment (of what we have), unless theres somewhere better that I dont know about.

    Yeah, it's either "all kinds" or "R'n'B"... What does R'n'B even mean (to those people)? They might as well just say "I like the crap they play on MTV".

    Sorry to hear about your Transmission night out. I actually get depressed when I'm looking forward to something like that and the DJs wreck it... Hence the post.

    Do you still think Whelan's is good on Saturday? I've been avoiding it recently because of the amount of low-grade product they've been putting out...


  • #6
    keanooo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭keanooo


    Beastieboy wrote: »

    check out Thomas house, they have whole nights with a particular genre...... anytime i've been there theres been a pretty good atmosphere..... alot of NCAD students hang out there...... not sure what music is on what night........ check it out..

    Will do. Can you dance there? ('you' as in 'one')


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  • #7
    Beastieboy
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    nm wrote: »
    This kinda thing drives me mad - why even bother? If you try to please everyone you'll end up pleasing no one, except the clowns that wondered in off the street and dont care what he plays anyway.

    Like i said, he had the place totally rocking so i'd say most people would disagree with you.

    I think to be honest that you guys are in the minority (probably a large minority but still a minority)........ most people want to hear mainstream hits in nightclubs....... otherwise they'd be playing all indie everynight of the week if there was the demand there..... if you really think theres nothing there to cater for you and you think other people would be into it you should start your own night...... thats how most nights get started! Could be cool too......

    Not sure about dancing in the thomas house....... they have a dance floor downstairs but i don't hang out down there so i don't know what its like...... might even be different music down there but i think its the same...... but definitely go. There always seems to be a pretty good buzz there and they generally play great music.......

    It hasn't been mentioned before, but obviously theres antics in crawdaddy on a wednesday which for me would be one of the big indie nights in Dublin....... used to go a bit but not really my thing....... obviously theres alot of nice people that go too antics but theres way too many pretentious people go there too......


  • #8
    judas101
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    Beastieboy wrote: »
    i'd say most people would disagree with you.

    Doubt it.

    A good venue/dj set has to have a consistent vibe.


  • #9
    keanooo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭keanooo


    judas101 wrote: »
    Doubt it.

    A good venue/dj set has to have a consistent vibe.

    Disagree and agree. The sorry fact of the matter is that a lot of people do agree with Beastie. They don't understand music and they don't even understand their own tastes. Even with a crap DJ you still get loads of people dancing no matter what. That's how the DJs get away with it... and they delude themselves into thinking they're doing a good job.

    100% agree a good venue/dj set has to have a consistent vibe. Mos' def.


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    Beastieboy wrote: »
    most people want to hear mainstream hits in nightclubs....... otherwise they'd be playing all indie everynight of the week if there was the demand there...

    Yes, well I'm not disputing that, that's why 80%+ of your average nightclubs do play chart/pop/whatever. But we're talking specifically here about pubs and nightclubs that are known for, or touted as, being "indie", or specific "indie nights". These are the places and nights which are supposedly specifically meant to be catering for that large minority you speak of. They're apparently failing, which was the OP's whole point.
    Beastieboy wrote: »
    It hasn't been mentioned before, but obviously theres antics in crawdaddy on a wednesday which for me would be one of the big indie nights in Dublin....... used to go a bit but not really my thing....... obviously theres alot of nice people that go too antics but theres way too many pretentious people go there too......

    Tried Antics aswell, just the once, it was far too young and studenty for me at 28 (average age seemed to be around leaving cert). Although thats just me, if you're younger maybe its a good indie night.

    If I could find the time I'd love to start a clubnight.


  • #11
    keanooo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭keanooo


    Beastieboy wrote: »
    It hasn't been mentioned before, but obviously theres antics in crawdaddy on a wednesday which for me would be one of the big indie nights in Dublin....... used to go a bit but not really my thing....... obviously theres alot of nice people that go too antics but theres way too many pretentious people go there too......

    I've never really thought of Crawdaddy's as a place to go, and mid-week doesn't really suit but I'm going to check out the hilariously named C.U.N.T. (C U Next Tuesday) club there tonight.

    The men of 1916 must be turning in their graves...


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  • #12
    Frankiestylee
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    "How many people do y'all know out there who only have one style of music in my record collection? Nobody I want to drink beer with."

    Yes, DJ should be able to establish a mood, but to say a DJ should try to stick rigidly to one genre... not down with that I'm afraid.

    I'd take some old school Madonna over a lot of the parp that passes for "indie" music these days.


  • #13
    _sparkie_
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭_sparkie_


    keanooo wrote: »
    I've never really thought of Crawdaddy's as a place to go, and mid-week doesn't really suit but I'm going to check out the hilariously named C.U.N.T. (C U Next Tuesday) club there tonight.

    it should be good by the sound of it:p, tonight is my first time going.


  • #14
    Public Executor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Public Executor


    There's a new night starting up in Twisted Pepper at the end of January in Twisted Pepper called Metropolis. It's going to be indie/alternative/progressive/weird **** with loads of sci-fi posters thrown around the places, movies playing on the walls and a video games booth projecting old SNES games. Or so I've been told. I'm sure they'll be promoting it round these parts before too long.


  • #15
    keanooo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭keanooo


    Frankiestylee wrote: »
    I'd take some old school Madonna over a lot of the parp that passes for "indie" music these days.

    I actually ended up going to and staying at Whelan's last night. The music was A1 and they even lit the fires. Great night. All is not lost.

    @Frankie, They played 'Borderline' by Madonna which was brilliant. My Madonna reference earlier was more meant to be an example of how mixed up the DJ's styles were that night. Old Madonna was great. I used to love Strictly Handbag...


  • #16
    panda100
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    I wouldnt call Whelans Indie/alternative anymore. Its gone sh*t. I used to go there all the time when in college but since they've done it up its seems to have lost its soul and the music they play on the Weekends is the same as in Flannerys across the road.

    Eamon Doranns used to have a cool vibe off it but, alas, it is no more. All the other Indie nights are held in 'trendy' clubs full of pretensious electric picnic,hippy lifestylist type people who think there all cool and alternative but are infact actually not.

    Dublins Indie scene seems to be dead.


  • #17
    mattfender
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    New late club im helping set up in Whelans on Monday nights in January...

    Its called Atomic and its gonna have one band (mainly indie rock/alternative) that could be from ireland or england...and then indie DJ for the night...

    If anyone has suggestions to what people want from an indie club in the cosy setting of Whelans throw some at us!

    line up of the bands is here http://www.myspace.com/atomicwhelansmondays

    /plug

    Mondays are gonna be hard to push to be honest...its pretty much impossible to find somewhere on a saturday night to put on something

    I miss the clubs I used to go to a few years back where you actually feel good about the music being played (without the help of pills etc :rolleyes:)

    A lot of the clubs are going downhill and its mainly electro and "lady gaga" music these days. Really hope some places cop on and get some good music goin.


  • #18
    rannerap
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    mondays are the new college night out though it seems!i know loads of people who go out mondays,atomic sounds cool shall deffo be checking it out


  • #19
    mattfender
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    i think monday night only would draw people who live in the vicinity of town...since there's no nitelinks, it'd cost a fortune for everyone else from Maynooth etc. Its really just a fingers crossed situation I guess:o


  • #20
    _sparkie_
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭_sparkie_


    well c.u.n.t. was a flop. the name really says it all. i was walking in and some guy grabbed my hood and called me a knacker in front of his friends because they is fur on my hood. i just looked at him and started laughing, im pretty sure he was wearing those tights/jeans and he looked like a spanner. i took no notice of him but as the night went on its all i could think about. everybody seemed to try WAY too hard, what ever to just going out and having fun? the drinks were cheap as long as you like mojito in a bottle and the music was average. in the end it was as big let down, oh well. the search goes on.


  • #21
    mattfender
    Closed Accounts Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mattfender


    you can get pricks like that alright. sneery eejits


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  • #22
    _sparkie_
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭_sparkie_


    mattfender wrote: »
    you can get pricks like that alright. sneery eejits

    you will always find a few wherever you go but this place was packed to the rafters with them!


  • #23
    TheBandit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭TheBandit


    It was a late contender but i think we have our winner for most ridiculous statement of 2009
    nm wrote: »
    Its like if someone is asked what kind of music they like and they say "all kinds", what that generally means in real terms is "no kind", ie: the radio or whatever. .


  • #24
    nxbyveromdwjpg
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    TheBandit wrote: »
    It was a late contender but i think we have our winner for most ridiculous statement of 2009

    Joined by an early entry for the most irrelevant post of 2010. Do you have a point? Indie clubs are for a specific or generally specific taste or musical flavour, not a mix n match or "a bit of everything".

    If you have a point, let me know what it is. If not, dont quote me in your nonsensical rambling.


  • #25
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,348 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Was in The Oak for the first time in ages on New Years Eve - not my choice, but it's where the crowd went. Anyway, the music was great until about 30 minutes after midnight when the DJ - a hilarious looking Mighty Boosh rip-off - started playing terrible dance music. The place cleared out in 20 minutes flat.


  • #26
    nxbyveromdwjpg
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    Forgot about The Oak. Havent been in about 3 years I reckon, music did used to be bang on mostly but the smell in the place was shocking!


  • #27
    stateofflux
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    wheres all the good looking chicks gone?...have'nt seen a stunner in an indie club in over 6 months...ratio has gone to 10:1 guys :rolleyes:....here is a brief analysis based an exhaustive survey conducted by 50 highly trained rat monkeys....

    bruxelles = gay bar
    whelans = jock sausage factory peppered with the odd posing (im a rebel but ill be working in the bank next year) pete doherty wannabe, a 'large' side helping of drunk mingers with extra piss
    globe/rira = ranges from 'im loike sophisticated and hip me loike' to 'hi im janine, this is my friend dolores'...we are both 103 and are NOT, repeat not bitter about the divorce'
    hogans = office dorks and pre jurassic furniture
    eamonn dorans = tumble weed...like an western saloon with no people ...
    The Oak = " Red alert !, place the gas mask over your face and breath normally"
    The Mezz = " Red alert !, place the gas mask over your face and breath normally"
    Fibbers = " Red alert !, place the gas mask over your face and breath normally"
    sibeen = " Red alert !, place the gas mask over your face and breath normally"
    Dakota = "that'll be 200 euro please for the two pints......."


  • #28
    electrogrimey
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    mattfender wrote: »
    Requests for songs will be met with swift hostility: please do not try and turn us into a catatonic state with your woeful taste of toonage.

    That's probably not the best thing to have on your myspace to attract customers :eek:

    What about Trashed in ALT? That's a decent indie night.

    Few things yous should remember when complaining about DJs at indie nights. Most DJs get into DJing with dance music, which is what DJing is for, so they won't be as into indie as yous are.

    Also, stop complaining about someone playing dance music at a club. You're supposed to play dance music at a club. That's what a club is. Ireland is strange in the way that most clubs play either shite chart, or shite Coppers music, with only a few dance nights, whereas most clubs in Europe will be playing good dance.

    TBH pure indie doesn't really have much place in clubs, that's why there isn't a huge selection.


  • #29
    Muffin top
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭Muffin top


    keanooo wrote: »
    I actually ended up going to and staying at Whelan's last night. The music was A1 and they even lit the fires. Great night. All is not lost.

    @Frankie, They played 'Borderline' by Madonna which was brilliant. My Madonna reference earlier was more meant to be an example of how mixed up the DJ's styles were that night. Old Madonna was great. I used to love Strictly Handbag...


    Really glad to hear this; Whelan's was one of my favourite places to go until quite recently.

    I think the whole alternative scene has lost it's way slightly; being different for difference sake or to sneer at others. It's "cool" to be alternative so alot of people aren't even into the music their there just to pose ... alternative chic!

    Haven't been to theBernard Shaw in quite awhile either; that can be good.

    I also agree that there is alot of repetition aswell; I'm not sure if this is for crowd pleasing purposeperhaps, but, it would be nice to hear some originality or blasts from the on a night as opposed to "pop"indie


  • #30
    mattfender
    Closed Accounts Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mattfender


    electrogrimey wrote: »
    That's probably not the best thing to have on your myspace to attract customers :eek:

    What about Trashed in ALT? That's a decent indie night.

    Few things yous should remember when complaining about DJs at indie nights. Most DJs get into DJing with dance music, which is what DJing is for, so they won't be as into indie as yous are.

    Haha sorry that wasnt me who wrote that :pac: my mate is s smart one


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  • #31
    Metropolis
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    Hi guys,

    Public Executor mentioned it on the last page that we're starting a new club night. It's called Metropolis and will be held in Twisted Pepper on Wed 27th Jan. I won't repeat what I said in the other thread, suffice to say we want to create something a little different with a side order of indie too.

    Well, not too indie...


  • #32
    DigiGal
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    Try PUNCH! in the Good Bits


    Free Drink lads.....!



    Also I'm loking into starting a proper indie night this summer, I'll post here, see if I can get a decent crowd. I had a pretty successful one in Radio City before it went all ****e.


  • #33
    sweetie
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    electrogrimey wrote: »
    Few things yous should remember when complaining about DJs at indie nights. Most DJs get into DJing with dance music, which is what DJing is for, so they won't be as into indie as yous are.

    Also, stop complaining about someone playing dance music at a club. You're supposed to play dance music at a club. That's what a club is. Ireland is strange in the way that most clubs play either shite chart, or shite Coppers music, with only a few dance nights, whereas most clubs in Europe will be playing good dance.

    TBH pure indie doesn't really have much place in clubs, that's why there isn't a huge selection.

    mmm, not necassarily, personally I started djing indie music in the likes of Dorans, Whelans, isaac butt and moved into playing a bit of everything. I like some dance but mostly listen to american/alt-pop/indie and due to the number of people posting on this and similar threads there is a demand for decent alternative club nights. Why is that so bad? I would say a club should play music for dancing rather than strictly 'dance music'
    cheers


  • #34
    electrogrimey
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    sweetie wrote: »
    mmm, not necassarily, personally I started djing indie music in the likes of Dorans, Whelans, isaac butt and moved into playing a bit of everything. I like some dance but mostly listen to american/alt-pop/indie and due to the number of people posting on this and similar threads there is a demand for decent alternative club nights. Why is that so bad? I would say a club should play music for dancing rather than strictly 'dance music'
    cheers

    Obviously some DJs will start with other music, but it's fair to say that the majority start with dance. I've no objection with indie nights, and I enjoy them the odd time, but I'm just explaining the reason that there are so few, and why they're 'so commercial and full of dance music' is that dance music is the most natural music for clubs.


  • #35
    keanooo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭keanooo


    Muffin top wrote: »
    Really glad to hear this; Whelan's was one of my favourite places to go until quite recently.

    I think the whole alternative scene has lost it's way slightly; being different for difference sake or to sneer at others. It's "cool" to be alternative so alot of people aren't even into the music their there just to pose ... alternative chic!

    Actually Muffin, I went to Whelan's a good bit over Christmas and it was really good. 8 out of 10 most nights; but they let themselves down on Saturday which used to be their marquee night. DJ decides to play soul for about 3/4s of an hour... and then eventually moves onto some half-decent indie stuff. I thought there was a change of DJ, but no, he said he wants to 'mix things up a bit' to keep the club alive. He should be up for manslaughter because he's killing it. Saturdays just aren't the same. I'd be happy to hit Whelan's mid-week but from now on Saturdays are going to be Sin É.

    For anyone into reggae/ragga there's a club called Dancehall Styles in The Button Factory on Sunday which is dead authentic. Great for a good night of dancing and music.


  • #36
    Muffin top
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭Muffin top


    I will give my spiritual home a second look so! It's true about Saturdays the whole night has an odd vibe. I really wished they would mix it up ala Ramones, Bowie, Doors, stranglers, Velvet Underground as opposed to constantly playing the Smyths and the same AC/DC song repeatedly; and then obviously there's all the up to date stuff to play aswell.

    Sin é; I love the DJ with the crazy hair. It takes awhile to fill up but, i've had many a good night there.


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  • #37
    mattfender
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    Holding off the music for a mo...

    are drinks promos important?


  • #38
    Metropolis
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    They're not the main attraction, but they're certainly the tie-breaker.


  • #39
    whiterob81
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    I think it's a good idea for dj to mix up the music in night clubs occasionally and not just play constant indie. It's been a long time since I've been in whelans on a saturday night but I used to work in the cloakroom years ago and personally I got sick of hearing the same 10 year old indie tunes being churned out constantly. I could set my watch by the tunes. I loved the music when I started there first but now I'm actually still not able to listen to the stone roses and the pixies without feeling a little queasy. I only worked there for 3 months.
    I used to see the same people flocking there every weekend. and that's fair enough, if that's what your in to. But I suppose what started to grate for me was the fact that for a supposedly alternative club that was all about the music, the choice of music and the customers listening to it were actually very conservative. if any djs tried to put on anything different, like even the stooges or moldy peaches for example, there'd be people up complaining going "Where's I am the resurrection?".
    I actually like it when djs have an hour of soul music or something like that thrown in. it makes it more interesting. what i don't like is when a dj throws on a soul song, followed by a heavy metal song, followed by a reggae song. that sort of random nonsense. you might as well just put an ipod on shuffle for the night.
    And nm, I'd have to agree that saying that you like "all kinds" of music means you don't like music is a pretty ridiculous statement. I would class myself as someone who likes all kinds of music. And that's because there is no genre that I'd completely dismiss (bar maybe country and western and that dance to tipperary irish clubland stuff, whatever you call it). When I go home at night, i'm probably gonna listen to metalcore, drum and bass, hip hop, northern soul, maybe some indie. I couldn't listen to the one type of music all the time and I'm not really sure how people do and not get bored.
    although, having said all this: if i go to a drum and bass night and then find out they're playing dubstep for the night it's incredibly disappointing so I suppose I can see where the op is coming from from that angle.


  • #40
    keanooo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭keanooo


    WhiteRob, I'm not sure you're getting the thrust of our argument. We're not complaining about clubs playing different kinds of music during a night. If they want to do that then that's well and good... and let the people who frequent those clubs enjoy the music. However, some clubs are dedicated to a particular genre. Before I discovered Whelan's I had tried a load of different clubs in town. Though I had some good nights out I never really found a place that clicked with me. To be honest I didn't realise there was such a thing as an indie club and that they played the kind of music I like. Whelan's was a place that resonated with me and the people that went there were really really into the night. I know loads of foreigners who have gone there and thought the atmosphere completely unique.

    They were probably a bit extreme in that they never varied it at all and I doubt if I would have enjoyed working in the cloakroom for 3 months solid. Look at the place now though... The (Saturday at least) nights have lost their soul. They still get a crowd but that's just because the competition is so weak. They'll never get what they had back at this stage because DJs don't even understand what they had; and I'm sure management are too detached from the situation to even realise that the place is slowly dying.

    I'm with nm on the "all kinds" argument for what it's worth. It doesn't mean we don't like some of the great songs from (say) soul or classical music it's just that we understand the type of music that speaks to and for us.


  • #41
    me-skywalker
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    Dont think anybody has mention it but Doyles??

    Great 'indie' DJ there the odd Fri nite and its central and great mix of crowd!


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  • #42
    stateofflux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭stateofflux


    me-skywalker wrote: »
    Dont think anybody has mention it but Doyles??

    Great 'indie' DJ there the odd Fri nite and its central and great mix of crowd!

    if you are 17-18 in first year.....


  • #43
    whiterob81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭whiterob81


    keanooo wrote: »
    WhiteRob, I'm not sure you're getting the thrust of our argument. We're not complaining about clubs playing different kinds of music during a night. If they want to do that then that's well and good... and let the people who frequent those clubs enjoy the music. However, some clubs are dedicated to a particular genre. Before I discovered Whelan's I had tried a load of different clubs in town. Though I had some good nights out I never really found a place that clicked with me. To be honest I didn't realise there was such a thing as an indie club and that they played the kind of music I like. Whelan's was a place that resonated with me and the people that went there were really really into the night. I know loads of foreigners who have gone there and thought the atmosphere completely unique.

    They were probably a bit extreme in that they never varied it at all and I doubt if I would have enjoyed working in the cloakroom for 3 months solid. Look at the place now though... The (Saturday at least) nights have lost their soul. They still get a crowd but that's just because the competition is so weak. They'll never get what they had back at this stage because DJs don't even understand what they had; and I'm sure management are too detached from the situation to even realise that the place is slowly dying.

    I'm with nm on the "all kinds" argument for what it's worth. It doesn't mean we don't like some of the great songs from (say) soul or classical music it's just that we understand the type of music that speaks to and for us.

    i haven't been to the night club in whelans in a long time. i do remember being kind of shocked at how poppy the music was the last satuday night i was in the village. I suppose maybe the reason for this is that what's classed as indie music is a bit more wide reaching these days. calvin harris and la roux are considered indie, played a lot on mtv 2 and hyped up by the nme.

    I suppose whelans are trying to keep themselves current. Not to harp on about it but when I was working there, there was one particular aging punk(early 40s)/music journalist djing thereon a regular basis who pretty much didn't play anything from after 1995. the guy took it as matter of fact that God Save the Queen was the greatest song ever written. Personally, I don't think it's a great mindset for a club dj to have. And I did actually start to think there was something unhealthy about listening to theexact same set of songs 3 or 4 times a week for years on end. and that seeing as how the guy was meant to be a punk, wasn't this sort of conservatism antithesis to the original movement.

    I do remember the first time i went in there thinking it's great to hear all these old grunge/punk tunes again and how it was so much better than the crappy commercial clubs that i'd been constantly exposed to down in the midlands. but towards the end the lack of variety really started to get to me and I did start thinking "Well at least, the crappy commercial clubs change their playlist more than every 10 years!"

    i guess by the end I realised how subjective music really is and how there is no such thing as definitive classics. it also got me into exploring other genres of music outside of indie

    /rant

    I have a few friends who are really big into northern soul and organise a club for themselves once a month and try and organise dj spots in any bars around dublin that they can. Maybe you should consider the same. rent out a function room that plays the type of music you want to hear. maybe somewhere like the mezz in the twisted pepper for example


  • #44
    Molberts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Molberts


    electrogrimey wrote: »
    Obviously some DJs will start with other music, but it's fair to say that the majority start with dance. I've no objection with indie nights, and I enjoy them the odd time, but I'm just explaining the reason that there are so few, and why they're 'so commercial and full of dance music' is that dance music is the most natural music for clubs.

    Hi Electrogrimey,

    Another pro DJ disagreeing with you here :) I've been gigging for the last (aww sh!t im getting old) 13 years, both with agencies and for myself and think you're making a very sweeping statement there. I started out when dance music was massive but played all sorts right from the start. Have you never been to a hip hop, jazz or a rock club? If you mostly frequent dance clubs I can see why you would think that but I disagree with you on the "natural" thing but imo its just one genre.

    Anywhoo yeah, indie nights :)

    I don't do a "proper" indie night (im sure purists would slate it but I like playing poppier stuff like elastica, pulp etc too, its saturday night after all :) ) but I do get to play good music and the crowd arent arsey. Pop in for a pint if your around and check it out if you fancy it :)http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=203507300014&ref=ts

    ps. the facebook page sucks cos im a lazy sh*t - sorry :o but you'll get the idea ;)


  • #45
    me-skywalker
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    One thign noticed over the years is that people in Dublin think that Dublin is actually bigger than it is. Nobody will run something that fits into one category as not everybody has group of mates that will consistently be interested in going to an indie only night all the time.

    Variety is the spice of life. IF your really goign to be an 'elitist' about it then get a 6pack from the offo and sit in with your ipod and have your own silent disco!


  • #46
    mattfender
    Closed Accounts Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mattfender


    Our club in Whelans is starting up this coming Monday if anyone wants to check it out.

    The Minutes will be jamming it out onstage and Oran from Ri Ra, Pravda and Thomas house on the decks till late.

    And also would like to hear feedback since its the first night! :pac:

    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=215703121816


  • #47
    DigiGal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭DigiGal


    Ijust started repping for Punch! In The Good Bits for anyone who is interested.

    PM me full name to get on the cheaplist.

    Its doors at 11pm.
    Have a look here (feel free to mail me any time during the week for next Sat too)

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=250315373667&ref=nf&v=info#/event.php?eid=250269635779&index=1


  • #48
    pistonsvox
    Registered Users Posts: 503 ✭✭✭pistonsvox


    mattfender wrote: »
    Our club in Whelans is starting up this coming Monday if anyone wants to check it out.

    The Minutes will be jamming it out onstage and Oran from Ri Ra, Pravda and Thomas house on the decks till late.

    And also would like to hear feedback since its the first night! :pac:

    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=215703121816

    sounds good!


  • #49
    Hamiltonion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭Hamiltonion


    http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#/group.php?v=info&ref=ts&gid=299255642523

    A ROCK AND ROLL ELECTRO DISCO

    Indie Electro and more!


    Expect indie classics old and new, mashed up with the best in electro and some other favourites thrown in just for kicks

    THIS WEEK

    DAS DJS
    WONDERFULGOOD
    INKY WRISTS DJS
    GHOSTSCENE DJS

    Dublin blog queens INKY WRISTS will be there on the night making careful note of the carnage so say hi!

    http://inkywrists.ie/

    Friends and family will be giving out ****loads of FREE STUFF as well as snapping away with our big ass cameras!

    DECADANCE promises to play the music YOU want to hear, so let us know! We hope to get some live music on in the future so if you're in a band or you wanna DJ let us know and we'll give a listen!


  • #50
    DeBunny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭DeBunny


    To me indie nights in Dublin seem to be really repetitive. It gets boring if you go three or four times. Does Pravda still play ''dueling banjos'' and ''killing in the name'' at the end of the night?


  • #51
    dbocky
    Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭dbocky


    The Oak is by far the best place to go...Fridays and Saturdays!!

    Guaranteed great indie tunes!!!


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