Taoiseach caves in

Fuhrer · 03-12-2009 01:07PM

zoemax wrote: »

please explain....or does your user name say enough?

That the behaviour of people who identify themselves as PS workers involves insulting everyone who disagrees with them and then ganging up and quoting and thanking each others posts regardless of the content.

Just do a search for Degsys posts on this matter for a caricture of sheer stupidity

dr.bollocko · 03-12-2009 01:11PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

That the behaviour of people who identify themselves as PS workers involves insulting everyone who disagrees with them and then ganging up and quoting and thanking each others posts regardless of the content.

Just do a search for Degsys posts on this matter for a caricture of sheer stupidity

Bye now.
Seeya in a week.

mahamageehad · 03-12-2009 01:32PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

That the behaviour of people who identify themselves as PS workers involves insulting everyone who disagrees with them and then ganging up and quoting and thanking each others posts regardless of the content.

Just do a search for Degsys posts on this matter for a caricture of sheer stupidity

O my god people!!! Could someone please realise that ps isn't really an abreviation for public sector!!!

ps = public sector
ps = private sector.

Grr!!

In other news, shock revelation as Irish people realise they'e been screwed over by their governments. Next week a survey about bears and ****%in in woods.

Stark · 03-12-2009 02:24PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

We'd still have a national airline too.

Still be paying several hundred pounds in old money to visit London.

stooge · 03-12-2009 02:36PM

zoemax wrote: »

No
I dont think you can compare peoples ability to live on different salaries. During the good years a lot of people allowed their mortages, credit cards, loans etc to get to a level where they now cannot cope with a pay cut.

I disagree.

As history shows there are good times and there are bad times when it comes to the economy. If you max yourself out when times are good and give yourself no room to manoeuvre when times are bad, then that is recklessness and stupidity on your part.

zoemax · 03-12-2009 02:45PM

As history shows there are good times and there are bad times when it comes to the economy. If you max yourself out when times are good and give yourself no room to manoeuvre when times are bad, then that is recklessness and stupidity on your part.

I agree....hindsight is a great thing.

stooge · 03-12-2009 02:55PM

zoemax wrote: »

I agree....hindsight is a great thing.

hindsight doesn't come into it. it's common sense. all good times are followed by bad times, and vice versa

TheDuderino · 03-12-2009 02:57PM

How come when the Public Service get forced to take unpaid leave its called by some that they are getting more holidays, yet when the same happens to the private sector its a reduced working week?

?

Sam Vimes · 03-12-2009 04:41PM

TheDuderino wrote: »

How come when the Public Service get forced to take unpaid leave its called by some that they are getting more holidays, yet when the same happens to the private sector its a reduced working week?

?

Because 12 days a year is not a reduced working week. A reduced working week is when you work one or more days less every week.

And it will show one of two things: either they can manage without people for an extra 12 days a year which means they're overstaffed or they can't and they'll have to bring in contractors, thereby not saving any money. It's a retarded idea

To The North · 03-12-2009 04:49PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Because 12 days a year is not a reduced working week. A reduced working week is when you work one or more days less every week.

And it will show one of two things: either they can manage without people for an extra 12 days a year which means they're overstaffed or they can't and they'll have to bring in contractors, thereby not saving any money. It's a retarded idea

where i work i can see it becoming a problem, we've already lost a third of our staff with the moratorium (with more to go in the future) and there's no way they'll bring in contact staff. it means services will be put under further pressure (we've already had to reduceour opening hours) if each staff member is going to be forced to take 14 extra days leave per year. i don't see how it will work.

deadhead13 · 03-12-2009 05:26PM

The unpaid leave proposal appears to be dead in water.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/orouke-unpaid-leave-proposal-parked-436812.html

Sam Vimes · 03-12-2009 05:28PM

To The North wrote: »

where i work i can see it becoming a problem, we've already lost a third of our staff with the moratorium (with more to go in the future) and there's no way they'll bring in contact staff. it means services will be put under further pressure (we've already had to reduceour opening hours) if each staff member is going to be forced to take 14 extra days leave per year. i don't see how it will work.

It won't work, it's a retarded idea. And the moratoreum is also retarded because there's no way of targeting it. Good people leave in essential areas while useless people clog up useless areas. They need redundancies instead of a moratoreum but unfortunately that's unlikely to happen

Stark · 03-12-2009 05:43PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

It won't work, it's a retarded idea. And the moratoreum is also retarded because there's no way of targeting it. Good people leave in essential areas while useless people clog up useless areas. They need redundancies instead of a moratoreum but unfortunately that's unlikely to happen

Same problem with these early retirement schemes and the like. The good people take the money and head for greener pastures while the ones who wouldn't be able to cut it elsewhere hang around like a bad smell.

TheDuderino · 03-12-2009 06:06PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Because 12 days a year is not a reduced working week. A reduced working week is when you work one or more days less every week.

And it will show one of two things: either they can manage without people for an extra 12 days a year which means they're overstaffed or they can't and they'll have to bring in contractors, thereby not saving any money. It's a retarded idea

Welll Okay a reduced working month then, if you like talking in full day being lost.
But yeah you are dead-on. IF services are unaffected, you need less staff, if they are.... well there'll be no outside contractors... there will just be less services.

The HSE is not overstaffed, its just badly managed. Too many middle managers doing nothing.
Lower grades.... Temp grades... doing the bulk of the work for 25k, are the first to get shafted.

Lets chop consultants wages in half and proceed from there.

TheDuderino · 03-12-2009 06:09PM

plenty depts at 40% strength, scrounging to make things work.... Other depts have too many staff.
People look at total numbers and complain. Thats plain armchair tactics, logistics is what matters

The Pontiac · 03-12-2009 06:26PM

Liam Doran of the INO is now telling people (i.e. taxpayers) to "back off and keep their mouths shut". That was his response to the growing level of criticism from the public (Fianna Fáil backbenchers too) to the unpaid leave deal.

These are the arrogant fools we're dealing with. He is aware that it's the taxpayer's money that funds the public sector? We live in a democracy Liam - Freedom of Speech etc. etc. Clown.

PomBear · 09-12-2009 01:49PM

ixoy wrote: »

And we'd put off investment from abroad who would be discouraged by the notion of being penalised for being successful and making profit.

i'm sorry but do we not have an extremely cheap corporation tax of 12.5%? Everyone gets taxed and we should take a leaf out of other European countries who do tax everyone equally

thebman · 09-12-2009 01:57PM

PomBear wrote: »

i'm sorry but do we not have an extremely cheap corporation tax of 12.5%? Everyone gets taxed and we should take a leaf out of other European countries who do tax everyone equally

So raise corporation tax? Right....

PomBear · 09-12-2009 02:00PM

thebman wrote: »

So raise corporation tax? Right....

No, you tax the rich, you tax CEO's, you tax shareholders, you tax their deals, you don't tax the company.

thebman · 09-12-2009 02:02PM

PomBear wrote: »

No, you tax the rich, you tax CEO's, you tax shareholders, you tax their deals, you don't tax the company.

But the company pays for all those things and the CEO's and shareholders influence if they should remain in Ireland.

PomBear · 09-12-2009 02:08PM

thebman wrote: »

But the company pays for all those things and the CEO's and shareholders influence if they should remain in Ireland.

The company pays a wage to CEOs, then whatever tax is paid by the CEO not the company.

Shareholders get dividends, then they should get taxed the same as a wage.

They have influence but they we already have a 12.5% corporation tax in an Atlantic, European, English Speaking well educated country. Reason enough to stay in Ireland.

Stark · 09-12-2009 02:39PM

PomBear wrote: »

i'm sorry but do we not have an extremely cheap corporation tax of 12.5%? Everyone gets taxed and we should take a leaf out of other European countries who do tax everyone equally

So they tax their low paid workers?

PomBear · 09-12-2009 02:57PM

Stark wrote: »

So they tax their low paid workers?

they don't tax their workers, the government does.

Sam Vimes · 09-12-2009 03:34PM

PomBear wrote: »

No, you tax the rich, you tax CEO's, you tax shareholders, you tax their deals, you don't tax the company.

In order to get good top brass companies have to pay market rates, that is the take home pay has to be just as good as their competitors. If we have a massive top rate of tax then the companies have to pay massively more in order to give the same take home pay. They can say to the top brass that their wages dropped because tax increased all they want but they don't give a crap why they're getting paid less, all they know is they are getting paid less and they'll either move somewhere where they're not or not take the job in the first place. Taxing the staff is taxing the company

Sheeps · 09-12-2009 03:39PM

An across the board cut of 7% was retarded anyway.

Taoiseach caves in

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