Taoiseach caves in

Lexus1976

What a fecking wimp!!!! I am a support of FF and proud of it, but will not be voting for them again if Cowan is in the party. :mad:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cowen-caves-in-on-public-sector-pay-1960583.html

Ireland will not be making an economic recovery for a long long time. Cowan for muppet of the year.

orourkeda

I don't know what to believe anymore.

Either the nations finances are ruined or they are not.

If they are why is he doing this?

Sizzler

A text was read out on newstalk earlier "I voted for Fianna Fail in the last election to run the country not the trade unions".

Maybe he meant ruin the country and not run

hobochris

orourkeda wrote: »

I don't know what to believe anymore.

Either the nations finances are ruined or they are not.

If they are why is he doing this?

Pin the nations bankruptcy on the unions for not getting on board maybe?

FF are just trying to save face with the voters the unions have now provided a nice scape goat for future public sector related issues.

Brian Cowen can then say it wasn't our fault, blame the unions, when things do go to ****, hoping that the general public only see this viscous animal and overlook the fact that Cowen and co. let it out of its cage and overfed it in the good times, now there is not enough food for it,so its biting the hand the feeds.

helmetjack

I too am a FF supporter/member, but i totally agree they have wilted at this, I couldn't agree more with R Bruton,...sort out the public service now! Or we'll be back in same situation in a few years, where our whole economy will be built around supporting an overall inefficient public service!

SoWatchaWant

Me and a couple of lads are going to throw a brick through his window.

Run_to_da_hills

Watch budget day, the cash is going to have to come out of someone elses arse pocket. :rolleyes:

Turd Ferguson

Cowen, I am disappoint

Crann na Beatha

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Jip

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Me and a couple of lads are going to throw a brick through his window.

If you do, I'll pay for your transport to Liberty Hall to throw several through the windows there.

highgiant1985

actually I've a question about the proposed deal.

If the public sector workers take say the full week off unpaid can they still claim the social welfare? I know for example if any normally employee doesn't work for a particular week for what ever reason they are eligible to apply for social welfare payment for that week.

Or am I completely wrong.

Bandit12

Drama queens the lot of ya.

gurramok

Jip wrote: »

If you do, I'll pay for your transport to Liberty Hall to throw several through the windows there.

It'll be better to wait until the spanking new union funded Liberty Hall is built!

Handsome Bob

Fine Gael are right, the man has shown no bottle. I don't have any issues with the public sector but we can now add them to the list of those who have successfully leaned on the government (along with students and pensioners). FF can't keep caving in like this every time an interest group bands together and makes some scary noise.

Biggins

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Watch budget day, the cash is going to have to come out of someone elses arse pocket. :rolleyes:

Yep, everyone's more so. 7 days and counting till we see how much more we are all going to squeeze from our pockets!

Yet AGAIN another example of why FF should no longer be running things and why Cowen is most definitely not leadership material.
Charlie Haughty as we know now was a crooked as they come but by god he would have stood up to these FAR over paid union leader bullies!

Sean Quagmire

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Me and a couple of lads are going to throw a brick through his window.

Cool, I gots the wheels

http://www.dailyraider.com/tv/simpsonsseason6/riverdale.jpg

Sizzler

The union leaders are brekaing their bollix laughing this morning, they cant believe what they have got away with :eek:

Private sector workers = If you havent lost your job you have more than likely been asked to take a pay cut of some sort and invariably do more work.

Public sector workers = A half baked pay cut which in real terms means take an extra 2 weeks off lads on top of the 30+ days you probably have already.

Only in Ireland.

If Lenihan has any balls he will step down now as he has been shafted by Cowen. I'd vote for Dustin at this stage if he fancies having a crack at running the kip.

Sizzler

Iolar wrote: »

what precedence wil this set?:eek:

If you moan and complain enough the government will shyte themselves and go away and annoy someone else.

Danbo!

The unions said Cowen would crack at any time purple monkey dishwasher

Fuhrer

Typical move form a government that knows its going to lose the next election.



Leave the place so messed up so that when the next one comes in and has to fix it by actually cutting spending and reducing the wages to the undeserving public sector people are going to say

"Things were so much better under Fianna Fail, when we were in dire financial straits and every economist said we would have to take a pay cut we just stamped our feet and cried and they gave us another 20 days off work to sit at home and throw our toys out of our prams"

Fly1

What else do you expect from a party made up of a bunch of teachers on long-term leave and lawyers? Fire them all.

Sanjuro

Caved on this, caved on the church scandal. The man's a feckless waster. And so are the majority of his party. No surprise at all.

kincsem

Do not worry. When staff take time off other public sector workers will supply cover at the standard overtime rates.

Cut one hour, pay an hour and a half to cover.

folan

Biggins wrote: »

Charlie Haughty as we know now was a crooked as they come but by god he would have stood up to these FAR over paid union leader bullies!

As someone too young to remember Haughty, but cant understand alot of Irelands unconditional love of this man, this is a big statement, and one that says alot about the current state of affairs!

BraziliaNZ

kincsem wrote: »

Do not worry. When staff take time off other public sector workers will supply cover at the standard overtime rates.

Cut one hour, pay an hour and a half to cover.

There's no such thing as overtime in the civil service these days anyway. I for one have to come in on Saturdays sometimes and don't get paid any extra for it, but someone has to do it.
People having to take 2 weeks off unpaid amounts to something like a 7% cut in the wage bill.
So they have cut costs and saved 7%, and kept the unions happy. It just means people will have to deal with their workload when they come back.
How is this such a defeat for the taxpayer?

kincsem

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

There's no such thing as overtime in the civil service these days anyway.

Da Frontline? Garda ?

BennyLava

in one way it's a good move by FF

the measure is temp one for next year only, FF know they are going to loose the next election, if that happens next year, whoever takes control will have to sort out the PS ( becoming the "bad guys" in the process), FF from the opposition benches, can start the usual hand wringing, about how they always worked with the PS and others, and things were never as bad under their leadership,
setting themselves up for reelection 5-10 years down the line

always remember (and Cowen himself said this) FF first, they couldn't give a ****e about the country as long as they have power

BraziliaNZ

kincsem wrote: »

Da Frontline? Garda ?

i don't know, I am civil service not Garda.
Here's what bugs me - when people come on here moaning about how they can only work 4 day weeks now etc in the private sector, now that we have to do something similar you're saying it's just more holidays for us? Why is it different for us??

Biggins

folan wrote: »

As someone too young to remember Haughty, but cant understand alot of Irelands unconditional love of this man, this is a big statement, and one that says alot about the current state of affairs!

There is no love of the man from me - in any shape or form.
I still can't believe that they erected a statue to him in one west port!
Charlie was an utter crook (..and he taught his then finance minister well! O' wait, that was Ahern. There's a surprise! :rolleyes: ) - BUT - the one thing he did possess just one thing that some considered an asset, and that was he was strong and willing to get something done and refused totally to be bullied.

Sizzler

Will the government also get an extra 12-15 days off given they are on the public payroll as well? This seems to have been glossed over :eek:

How the fook is that going to work

enda1

kincsem wrote: »

Da Frontline? Garda ?

Gardaí are public service. Which frontline civil service?

Rebelheart

Lexus1976 wrote: »

What a fecking wimp!!!! I am a support of FF and proud of it, but will not be voting for them again if Cowan is in the party. :mad:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cowen-caves-in-on-public-sector-pay-1960583.html

Ireland will not be making an economic recovery for a long long time. Cowan for muppet of the year.

I have to say that Danny McCoy of IBEC made an awful, awful amount of sense on Morning Ireland this morning. It was a masterpiece.

http://www.rte.ie/news/morningireland/

Fuhrer

Biggins wrote: »

There is no love of the man from me - in any shape or form.
I still can't believe that they erected a statue to him in one west port!
Charlie was an utter crook - BUT - the one thing he did possess just one thing that some considered an asset, and that was he was strong and willing to get something done and refused totally to be bullied.

He couldnt stand to think that anyone else was going to be able to rob the country as much as he was.

folan

Biggins wrote: »

There is no love of the man from me - in any shape or form.
I still can't believe that they erected a statue to him in one west port!
Charlie was an utter crook (..and he taught his then finance minister well! O' wait, that was Ahern. There's a surprise! :rolleyes: ) - BUT - the one thing he did possess just one thing that some considered an asset, and that was he was strong and willing to get something done and refused totally to be bullied.

Agreed! Its that people like you and I are even making this concession in relation to the latest government that shows how dire the situation is. Its scary, where tis country has come!

Biggins

Fuhrer wrote: »

He couldnt stand to think that anyone else was going to be able to rob the country as much as he was.

LOL Blommin' true! :pac:

BraziliaNZ

kincsem wrote: »

Do not worry. When staff take time off other public sector workers will supply cover at the standard overtime rates.

Cut one hour, pay an hour and a half to cover.

This just shows the TOTAL LACK OF KNOWLEDGE people are spouting these days. Do you really think this happens?

And I've heard people say that public servants will just use the unpaid leave during the year and then get paid for the normal holiday days at the end of the year instead of using them.

Now I know how refugees feel in Ireland with all the bullsh*t being spouted about how much free stuff they get.

Fly1

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

i don't know, I am civil service not Garda.
Here's what bugs me - when people come on here moaning about how they can only work 4 day weeks now etc in the private sector, now that we have to do something similar you're saying it's just more holidays for us? Why is it different for us??

Plain and simple: private sector workers get fired. Pulic sector workers get more holidays while their colleagues get more overtime (or create even bigger backlogs while on teabreaks)... Shocking. Fire them all. Especially Cowan.

enda1

Fly1 wrote: »

Plain and simple: private sector workers get fired. Pulic sector workers get more holidays while their colleagues get more overtime (or create even bigger backlogs while on teabreaks)... Shocking. Fire them all. Especially Cowan.

I'm a private sector worker and got 16 days unpaid leave this year. No one in the company got fired either.

BraziliaNZ

Fly1 wrote: »

Plain and simple: private sector workers get fired. Pulic sector workers get more holidays while their colleagues get more overtime (or create even bigger backlogs while on teabreaks)... Shocking. Fire them all. Especially Cowan.

Overtime hasn't been available in my Dept for the last couple of years. How will that apply to us? Where do you get all this info from?

Jesus Wept

Thread disappoints, I took the thread title literally.

neilthefunkeone

Yeah bit of a joke really.. They needed to step up to the plate on this one but have failed miserably..

So where will they make up the rest of the money they said they needed?

BraziliaNZ

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

Yeah bit of a joke really.. They needed to step up to the plate on this one but have failed miserably..

So where will they make up the rest of the money they said they needed?

Doesn't this cut the wage bill by about 7%? I'm sure there will be more cuts next year too.

Jip

enda1 wrote: »

I'm a private sector worker and got 16 days unpaid leave this year. No one in the company got fired either.

You work in the private section ? I don't know how to break this to you but there's a couple of million more people than you in the private sector.

ixoy

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

So they have cut costs and saved 7%, and kept the unions happy. It just means people will have to deal with their workload when they come back.
How is this such a defeat for the taxpayer?

Because nobody believes that people will actually work to make up the difference. Certainly we've had PS/CS workers on here saying they had no intention of working any extra time to catch up on a workload created by unpaid leave. Therefore services will suffer - that's a bit of a defeat.

There's also the fact that there's no mention of actual reform yet (in fact we're taking a step backwards here it would seem) or how we'll make up the difference between government estimates of the savings and those actually needed - those extra funds will come from everybody else.

Don't forget even with the pension levy, the government still did a little bit of caving when they altered pension contributions at a cost of €100m for next year in April's budget.

enda1

Jip wrote: »

You work in the private section ? I don't know how to break this to you but there's a couple of million more people than you in the private sector.

Huh?

nietzy

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

Yeah bit of a joke really.. They needed to step up to the plate on this one but have failed miserably..

So where will they make up the rest of the money they said they needed?

Obviously by increasing tax (either stealth or direct), cutting public services and increasing duties on alcohol, ciggys, etc. Also watch out for this carbon tax.

I agree wit the guy from the public service who said he knows how refugees feel with the amount of ****e information being put around by some people here.

But the fact remains, our public services are ****e and needed a kick up the arse, and instead, Cowens given them a few days off.

Long live Fianna Fail, they'll lose the next election but come back stronger again.

hazardous

So let me get this straight, the unions in pushing this policy have implied that there is either excess capacity within the Public Sector system (and it can function effectively with less people), or that they want to stretch our over-stretched PS services even further. I'd have thought that the Frontline Alliance would have been up in arms over this ??!... :rolleyes:

And an essentially proportional cut from the same group who are organising witch hunts for the "fat cats" and looking for a new tax band for the "super rich"...hmm. I'm sure that if Maggie weren't currently batsh!t insane she'd have a good old laugh at the unions essentially endorsing her poll tax ideology.

This has done no good for anyone in this country, apart from those who dreamt up this half assed plan.

BraziliaNZ

ixoy wrote: »

Because nobody believes that people will actually work to make up the difference.

Well how do you think it feels when you work hard at your job and are being paid modestly? Friends I used to work with in the private sector are earning much more than me and doing well in their companies and one in particular is always asking me to send me over his CV. Well I'm so sick of this bullsh*t I'm getting because I work for the public service that I might follow him up on this. You have to realise that there are actually some skilled employees in the public service. We have pretty complex IT systems etc.

damoz

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Well how do you think it feels when you work hard at your job and are being paid modestly? Friends I used to work with in the private sector are earning much more than me and doing well in their companies and one in particular is always asking me to send me over his CV. Well I'm so sick of this bullsh*t I'm getting because I work for the public service that I might follow him up on this. You have to realise that there are actually some skilled employees in the public service. We have pretty complex IT systems etc.

Just curious ... are you in "work" now?

BraziliaNZ

damoz wrote: »

Just curious ... are you in "work" now?

nope, supposed to be studying for exams next month, I'm on normal holiday days if you must know this week

Pal

disgraceful.

Always voted FF but that's just about enough of this crap for me.

Not voting for FF or that shower of incompetent gobsh1tes The Greens next time.
Time for a change.