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Taoiseach caves in

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  • #92
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    douglashyde wrote: »
    Consider this:

    The Public sector has secure jobs.

    The Public sector has very generous pension schemes.

    The Public sector earns more money for the job they do.

    The Public sector is badly managed and hugely under performs for the budget it has.


    The government considered this and deemed it necessary to make the public sector more cost effective and efficient.

    The public sector responded to this by striking.

    Today THEY WON!

    My conclusion:
    The Unions and the public sector workers that voted to strike are Greedy, out of touch and inconsiderate human beings.

    The public sector and unions have done something that I believe will be extremely destructive, not just economically but socially.

    Now consider this, there are more and more indications that the private sector(the entire country minus the Public Sector) are red hot angry about the Public sector's choice of strike , however the private sector has no unions to strike for it, it has no interest group, so what does it do?

    It Riots.

    I was until today a FF supporter. Today I don’t know who to support.

    Are you actually trying to use boards to advocate a large public riot?
    Think carefully before you answer.


  • #93
    General Zod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    The government considered this and deemed it necessary to make the public sector more cost effective and efficient.

    how would a further pay cut on top of the one they already took (via the pension and normal levy) make them more cost effective and efficient? restructuring the public services would a far better way to achieve both these goals.


  • #94
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    General Zod wrote: »
    how would a further pay cut on top of the one they already took (via the pension and normal levy) make them more cost effective and efficient? restructuring the public services would a far better way to achieve both these goals.



    The pension levy was a pay cut?


  • #95
    douglashyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭douglashyde


    I started a new thread for my comment because it as a whole piece is not based around today's events. So there was not a need to move it.

    No I am not trying to start a riot.

    I am trying to make a point that the private sector could decide to riot after all that has happened.

    However Ill add a health warning at the bottom just not to confuse anybody.


  • #96
    murfie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭murfie


    Lexus1976 wrote: »
    What a fecking wimp!!!! I am a support of FF and proud of it, but will not be voting for them again if Cowan is in the party. :mad:
    .
    helmetjack wrote: »
    I too am a FF supporter/member,.........

    I just cant believe that there are still people that are FF supporters and openly admit that. :mad: Stop voting for them and Fing up our country!!


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  • #97
    jackthekipper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭jackthekipper


    douglashyde wrote: »
    Consider this:

    The Public sector has secure jobs.

    The Public sector has very generous pension schemes.

    The Public sector earns more money for the job they do.

    The Public sector is badly managed and hugely under performs for the budget it has.


    The government considered this and deemed it necessary to make the public sector more cost effective and efficient.

    The public sector responded to this by striking.

    Today THEY WON!

    My conclusion:
    The Unions and the public sector workers that voted to strike are Greedy, out of touch and inconsiderate human beings.

    The public sector and unions have done something that I believe will be extremely destructive, not just economically but socially.

    Now consider this, there are more and more indications that the private sector(the entire country minus the Public Sector) are red hot angry about the Public sector's choice of strike , however the private sector has no unions to strike for it, it has no interest group, so what does it do?

    It Riots.

    I was until today a FF supporter. Today I don’t know who to support.

    Why didn't you riot when Bertie made the deals years ago?
    This country doesn't need riots, just a large dose of cop on!


  • #98
    Rookster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Rookster


    That "Fat Sausage" (Cowen) is clearly not a leader!


  • #99
    douglashyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭douglashyde


    General Zod wrote: »
    how would a further pay cut on top of the one they already took (via the pension and normal levy) make them more cost effective and efficient? restructuring the public services would a far better way to achieve both these goals.

    The government as part of its 5 year plan, is suppose to restructure the Civil Service as well as cut costs.

    Today's decsion effectively reduces the Public sectors work force by 5000 people is going to have negative effects on performance.


  • #100
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    Bertie + benchmarking = the cause of all the trouble

    FYP


  • #101
    brianthebard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    gurramok wrote: »
    It'll be better to wait until the spanking new union funded Liberty Hall is built!

    The present Liberty Hall was union funded too you know. Don't know why people think there is some sort of big scandal that they are building a new one. This plan was declared in 2006 btw, but of course people are only concerned about it now as a fake stick to beat the unions with.

    Tbh the government's main mistake was to declare there would be no increases in income tax and to go after the public sector exclusively for money, while making no attempts at improving the way the HSE and other bodies were run. I believe most on this thread who are so pissed off are jsut annoyed they have no one to represent them.


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  • #102
    douglashyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭douglashyde


    jackthekipper wrote: »
    Why didn't you riot when Bertie made the deals years ago?
    This country doesn't need riots, just a large dose of cop on!

    Im not suggesting a riot.


    Its not easy to see what effect decsions will have down the line.

    However when you are faced with a potential problem, effects of decsions should become clear.

    Any goverment should be able to see now, that action should be hard and it should be swift..... My Goverment, our Goverment, has failed us and only time will tell how much it has failed us.


  • #103
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    To cut a long (horror?) story short, between the utter confusion about many things FF and the Greens are up to with our state, I don't have a clue as if to even they know what the hell is goiing on any more!
    Its all re-actionary policies, here today - gone tomorrow plannned/unplanned confusion!

    How is gods name did they get to fcuk things up so much!


  • #104
    cranoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭cranoo


    Why is there so much need? because of greed!! and all Ive seen in the last few years is one big greedy private sector who has eaten itself alive :pac: with greed, so up your bollix now :p:p


  • #105
    PomBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭PomBear


    Lexus1976 wrote: »
    What a fecking wimp!!!! I am a support of FF and proud of it, but will not be voting for them again if Cowan is in the party. :mad:

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cowen-caves-in-on-public-sector-pay-1960583.html

    Ireland will not be making an economic recovery for a long long time. Cowan for muppet of the year.

    You are a support of FF? and you can't spell Cowen?


  • #106
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Our Republic is slowly slipping into the abyss


  • #107
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Our Republic is slowly slipping into the abyss
    Holy smoke. I hope those aliens are still friendly then! :eek:


  • #108
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    All the parties are the same. Fine Gael and Labour arguably talk a good talk but if they got in then they would do f**k all different.

    Look at the Greens.

    Before they got in they were full of bulls*it about what they were going to demand from Fianna Fail and then they did squat.

    They did so much back peddling since that, that they should be in Duffy's Circus.


  • #109
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Look at the Greens.
    They did so much back peddling since that they should be in Duffy's Circus.
    Post of the day for me! :D
    LOL Funny :pac: - but true!


  • #110
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,868 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    douglashyde wrote: »
    Consider this:

    The Public sector has secure jobs.

    The Public sector has very generous pension schemes.

    The Public sector earns more money for the job they do.

    The Public sector is badly managed and hugely under performs for the budget it has.


    The government considered this and deemed it necessary to make the public sector more cost effective and efficient.

    The public sector responded to this by striking.

    Today THEY WON!

    My conclusion:
    The Unions and the public sector workers that voted to strike are Greedy, out of touch and inconsiderate human beings.

    The public sector and unions have done something that I believe will be extremely destructive, not just economically but socially.

    Now consider this, there are more and more indications that the private sector(the entire country minus the Public Sector) are red hot angry about the Public sector's choice of strike , however the private sector has no unions to strike for it, it has no interest group, so what does it do?

    It Riots.

    I was until today a FF supporter. Today I don’t know who to support.

    Unions aren't only for Public Service workers. Loads of people I work with are in a union (not me) and it is not public sector.

    I feel dirty having sort of defended unions. First time for everything I guess.


  • #111
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    I haven't been keeping up with developments today so the situation might have changed but as Richard Bruton put it this morning, this plan of 12 days unpaid leave:
    1. Will not meet the required cuts in spending
    2. will effect the level of service (or will show that the PS is extremely overstaffed)
    3. Is not fair on the lower earners because it effects everyone at all levels of the PS equally

    Gobsh!tes


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  • #112
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Boards should become a party and rule this country with an iron fist :D

    The-Rigger shall be Minister Of Free Donuts since he came up with it. Who wants to be the dictator Taoiseach?


  • #113
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    Boards should become a party and rule this country with an iron fist :D

    The-Rigger shall be Minister Of Free Donuts since he came up with it. Who wants to be the dictator Taoiseach?

    Us AH lot though would sidelined as the lunatic fringe I suspect! :(


  • #114
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Biggins wrote: »
    Us AH lot though would sidelined as the lunatic fringe I suspect! :(

    Our methods may be questionable but dammit we'd get the job done!!

    Eventually.


  • #115
    ART6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    According the the new item on this that i read this morning, Brian Lenihan, who has insisted all along that there must be PS pay cuts, was not included in the meeting with the unions. If that's true then I would think he is spitting nails at the moment:eek:


  • #116
    Rented Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    Please remember that people generally get the government that they deserve.

    Please also remember that these Unions are made up of their members. They are representative of the population in which they live and work.

    In a nutshell, you did it to yourself.


  • #117
    Nate--IRL--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    All the parties are the same. Fine Gael and Labour arguably talk a good talk but if they got in then they would do f**k all different.

    Only one way to find out, it's not like we could do worse than FF. Then again FF seem to be deliberately following a scorched earth policy, leaving the country as smouldering rubble, for the next lot to deal with.

    Nate


  • #118
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Nate--IRL-- wrote: »
    Only one way to find out, it's not like we could do worse than FF. Then again FF seem to be deliberately following a scorched earth policy, leaving the country as smouldering rubble, for the next lot to deal with.

    Nate

    I have no faith in any of them, I'm too tired.

    I'd nearly let Gerry and Mary Lou in for the crack. Sure it would only be mighty.

    Communism ftw.


  • #119
    Killaqueen!!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    Reading a lot of the comments here, and a lot of you are saying "ohh ive always been a FF man but not anymore"

    Seriously, THIS is the last straw for you lot? It always shocks me how much a party can get away with for somebody to say enough is enough


  • #120
    fintonie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭fintonie


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    Boards should become a party and rule this country with an iron fist :D

    The-Rigger shall be Minister Of Free Donuts since he came up with it. Who wants to be the dictator Taoiseach?

    are you crazy do you not see how the mods work together:eek:


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  • #121
    fintonie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭fintonie


    what I laugh at is how many years have these groups been running this country,

    do they not learn from previous governments and mistakes that were made,

    it seems to me no matter who is in there will balls it up, how many years are needed to get it right,

    good business people should be running the country, find them pay them and scrap the government to the lesser job of picking spuds.


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