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CIA had People Raped with Broken Bottles

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    seriously though,the thing is the information that they get from a lot of these people is absolutely useless;anyone under that kind of duress will admit to anything or point the finger at anyone as evinced by khalid sheik mohammed confessing to 9/11 and sundry crimes after being water-boarded a couple of hundred times.
    it's a kafkaesque brutality,up there with anything from the 'gulag archipelago'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Spore


    CIA had People Raped with Broken Bottles
    pfft... I would have done the old Provo trick, a length of pipe up the rusty sherrif's badge followed by the insertion of barbed wire, pull out the pipe and Bob's your uncle - any confession you want.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,363 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Rawstory.com? Please..

    I'll only listen to stories of the CIA from credible sources.. such as Run_to_da_hills

    Best I could find was a Telegraph article

    I know it's an opinion piece, but opinions don't get more conservative than in the The Telegraph!


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,278 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    wudangclan wrote: »
    seriously though,the thing is the information that they get from a lot of these people is absolutely useless;anyone under that kind of duress will admit to anything or point the finger at anyone as evinced by khalid sheik mohammed confessing to 9/11 and sundry crimes after being water-boarded a couple of hundred times.
    it's a kafkaesque brutality,up there with anything from the 'gulag archipelago'.

    I think that they know that it's counter-productive, there was some talk about it in the media a while ago, but for some reason they just carry on with it. Perhaps some of them enjoy it too much to want to give it up.:eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    I think that they know that it's counter-productive, there was some talk about it in the media a while ago, but for some reason they just carry on with it. Perhaps some of them enjoy it too much to want to give it up.:eek:

    i assume they want to continue the 'war on terror' and therefore all confessions and information linking to 'al-qaeda' help perpetuate the situation (this was certainly the case under the bush administration and obama,although always saying the right things,seems to me to have done little to affect change).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Degsy wrote: »
    How can you rape somebody with a broken bottle?

    You can certainly rape somebody with an unbroken bottle and maybe it'll break but i call highjinks on the broken bottle rapage allegation.

    Oh yeah and the whole article is crap.

    Yea, and opinions like this make it easy for the CIA and other gangster operations go so smoothly.
    Confab wrote: »
    Thread title is wrong. CIA didn't rape anyone with a broken bottle.

    You sure about that?
    Yes the CIA are rounding up innocent Iraqis, give me a break

    Yea, another opinion that strenghtens groups like this, even when evidence is put forward, people like yourself just dismiss it.. why?

    It's easy to see those that get ropped in by propaganda... easily lead sheep :)
    the_syco wrote: »
    I wonder where he heard about this? Rumours, or did he witness it? I'm thinking it's all 3rd party information.

    Oh? Why is this? You support the CIA too? .

    There are endless reports and investigations, a mountain of evidence that suggests America are in breach of a huge amount of international human rights laws, but it's ok, because we are so comfortable in our lives. Do the research and
    Magnus wrote: »
    CIA likes to subcontract their dirty work.
    Blackwater Xe for example, Christian militia.

    The black ops and all the other crap that they partake in, is nothing less than terrorism itself. America is the largets terrorist organisation in the world, but it's ok, because they are a developed christian country. SCUM is what they are.
    Valmont wrote: »
    *Rabble Rabble* George Bush made me late for the bus last week. I also heard that he personally caused every single problem in America and the world. I read that he is also personally planning to kill the last few polar bears once their numbers are down from global warming, which he also personally and solely caused.

    When are people going to realise that George Bush isn't the only nefarious individual in the government of the United States? Talk about a simplified scapegoat.

    In a sense you are right, but he, unlike our president, has the power to let something go ahead or not. He let a lot of the laws go ahead that made it ok for all these henious acts to be done to "suspects"... these people didn't even have a trial FFS, they were suspected of doing something then tortured.
    Rawstory.com? Please..

    I'll only listen to stories of the CIA from credible sources.. such as Run_to_da_hills

    And fox new too I suppose? :rolleyes:
    While the CIA are good at their job, i think even they would find it hard to interrogate people who'd just killed themselves by flying a plane into a building.

    Yea, I don't think they are that good ;)
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    You imply here that George Bush was the captian of the ship. I don't think any president of America is EVER the 'captain of (that) ship'.

    The USA is a THE world power and I don't think that they would ever let one man make decisions that could or would change that fact. The CIA is the captain of the ship that is The US of A, they always were and they always will be.

    The president has the final say in everything, he should be held accountable, then hang all the rest by their balls. :)
    I wonder how many of the guys in G-Bay have been tortured.. and the US will not allow them to stay in the country after release.. they're relocating them to other nations instead, Ireland included

    It's like shitting all over the world and not even having the grace to wipe up afterwards

    What's wrong with them being relocated here. You obviously don't know much about the situation. Do you?
    Why not send them home, or god forbid allow them to stay in the US?

    Other nations didn't cause this clusterfcuk, the US did

    Nope, you don't know about it at all... Read up on it dude. See why they can't go home or stay in the USA. You think these people want to come to a sh!thole like ireland? Highly unlikely.
    ejmaztec wrote: »
    If the US economy falls apart, so will most of the others. As bad as Ireland's is now, it would be ten times worse as a result.:eek:

    It's unfortunate, we actually need these pieces of crap to make our lives more comfortable...
    Nodin wrote: »
    Care to go into detail why the "whole article is crap"?

    Haha, that's like trying to draw blood from a stone ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭Super Sidious


    Sofaspud wrote: »
    Wow, and here's me assuming that people who flew planes into buildings died as a result of the crash, silly me!

    I was unaware of these super-terrorists that can survive plane crashes long enough to be tortured. Being raped with broken bottles would be a walk in the park to them!
    While the CIA are good at their job, i think even they would find it hard to interrogate people who'd just killed themselves by flying a plane into a building.


    Yea thats exactly what I meant... they tortured them after they died...

    Or maybe they torture people to extract information so as to foil a terroist plot?

    Somehow I think your opinion would change if your mother/father were visiting/working in the twin towers when 9/11 happened.

    Ask yourself this... would you rather see 100 people, (who have been targeted as possible terrorists or people with information... innocent or not) tortured to save 10,000 lives?

    Torture is horrible, yes... but I bet alot more people who were guilty were tortured then innocent.

    If it saves lives of innocent people, when theres no other option... then yes torture should be used!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭stackerman


    flynner13 wrote: »
    Somehow I think your opinion would change if your mother/father were visiting/working in the twin towers when 9/11 happened.

    Ask yourself this... would you rather see 100 people, (who have been targeted as possible terrorists or people with information... innocent or not) tortured to save 10,000 lives?

    Torture is horrible, yes... but I bet alot more people who were guilty were tortured then innocent.

    If it saves lives of innocent people, when theres no other option... then yes torture should be used!

    Somehow I think your opinion would change if YOUR family was tortured :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,363 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    flynner13 wrote: »
    Torture is horrible, yes... but I bet alot more people who were guilty were tortured then innocent.

    If it saves lives of innocent people, when theres no other option... then yes torture should be used!

    Then why not do it on US soil, and carry it out with US hands?

    Why do they need to do it in a way that exempts them from any liability, and without any representation for the suspects?

    It's nefarious if nothing else, and underhanded for a 1st world nation such as America


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭Super Sidious


    keving wrote: »
    Somehow I think your opinion would change if YOUR family was tortured :mad:

    So you would let another 9/11 happen because you believe that everyone the CIA torture are innocent... If Jack Bauer has taught me anything it gets results!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    flynner13 wrote: »
    If Jack Bauer has taught me anything it gets results!

    please say thats a joke?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭Super Sidious


    Then why not do it on US soil, and carry it out with US hands?

    Why do they need to do it in a way that exempts them from any liability, and without any representation for the suspects?

    It's nefarious if nothing else, and underhanded for a 1st world nation such as America

    Thats what Guantanamo bay was? It was on American soil... maybe not in the middle of New York... but deemed american soil...

    And I dont think anyone would of had a problem the day after 9/11 with a detention camp like it... but 7 years down the line its been closed... again my argument is if it saves lives... then why not!

    Torturing someone to save thousands of lives...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭Super Sidious


    wudangclan wrote: »
    please say thats a joke?

    Obviously... but Its just an example of the torture that goes on... yes its TV but alot of it is taken from real life...

    Feeding people painful drugs to release information... Non lethal torture!

    GBay used to make prisoners listen to Enya 24/7... hardly the worst torture in the world!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭sharky86


    But there is really sh*t all we can do about it when ya think about it.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    flynner13 wrote: »
    Yea thats exactly what I meant... they tortured them after they died...

    Or maybe they torture people to extract information so as to foil a terroist plot?

    Somehow I think your opinion would change if your mother/father were visiting/working in the twin towers when 9/11 happened.

    Ask yourself this... would you rather see 100 people, (who have been targeted as possible terrorists or people with information... innocent or not) tortured to save 10,000 lives?

    Torture is horrible, yes... but I bet alot more people who were guilty were tortured then innocent.

    If it saves lives of innocent people, when theres no other option... then yes torture should be used!

    everything you've written there is wrong.

    Protip kid - torture does not produce any kind of reliable, actionable data.

    Stop watching so much television, it'll rot your brain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,363 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    flynner13 wrote: »
    Thats what Guantanamo bay was? It was on American soil... maybe not in the middle of New York... but deemed american soil...

    And I dont think anyone would of had a problem the day after 9/11 with a detention camp like it... but 7 years down the line its been closed... again my argument is if it saves lives... then why not!

    Torturing someone to save thousands of lives...

    Guantanamo is only a holding area, it's not even in the US!

    Rendition is the transport of POW's to other jurisdictions where brutal interrogation is allowed.

    Whatever the case may be about allowing the US to use torture is moot tbh

    the fact is that they used it in a way that meant that they cannot be held responsible for it, via proxy

    Anyone apprehended by a legitimate force should be treated in a way that international human rights laws dictate, and in a way that doesn't subvert those laws


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,363 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    sharky86 wrote: »
    But there is really sh*t all we can do about it when ya think about it.....

    'We' is a very relative term in regards to issues like this.

    If enough people were openly and vocally against it, it would pressurize governments and agencies into rethinking their tactics, imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    Probably wildly off topic, but if someone was extradited from one country to another with a more lax judicial system where they could be freely tortured, if they somehow escaped and made it back to their country, could their home country charge the people who carried out the extraordinary rendition with kidnapping?

    Obviously politics enters into it and no country would openly challenge the CIA like that, but could it be done?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭geeky


    How come Nazi officers are still perused and punished to this day for war crimes committed 60 years ago while stuff like this is been done by the US today?!

    Because the U.S. hasn't been comprehensively defeated in a war.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭mal1


    I read Craig Murray's book and frankly i believe he's full of sh1t. A player who will sell his own grandmother for a little attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭VinnyTGM


    I'd say this is a very small proportion of problem's America have to answer for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    '
    If enough people were openly and vocally against it, it would pressurize governments and agencies into rethinking their tactics, imo

    The media control the world in many ways now. They have more power now than they ever had over world decisions but only so far as 'the world's a stage' and the media can control that 'stage'.

    The CIA however are not on a 'stage' and so the media (the people's only true voice) have little power over them.

    The media can only have power over something that fears losing face and as they don't have a 'face' they will remain untouchable and so ultimatly immune from public pressure in my view.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal



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    wtf

    How come Nazi officers are still perused and punished to this day for war crimes committed 60 years ago while stuff like this is been done by the US today?!
    I really dont think I heard you liken Guantanamo to a Concentration camp. Granted, its a POW camp. But Auschwitz? Are you being serious?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,363 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Piste wrote: »
    Probably wildly off topic, but if someone was extradited from one country to another with a more lax judicial system where they could be freely tortured, if they somehow escaped and made it back to their country, could their home country charge the people who carried out the extraordinary rendition with kidnapping?

    Obviously politics enters into it and no country would openly challenge the CIA like that, but could it be done?

    I'd like to know the answer to that too. I'm sure some have tried to bring charges against the US, but to what avail?
    Overheal wrote: »
    I really dont think I heard you liken Guantanamo to a Concentration camp. Granted, its a POW camp. But Auschwitz? Are you being serious?

    You're getting hung up on the Nazi part of the OP, I shouldn't really have used it to draw similarities between the 2 tbh, but essentially they are comparable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It's unfortunate, we actually need these pieces of crap to make our lives more comfortable...
    Can you clarify this comment, please?

    Overheal.
    You're getting hung up on the Nazi part of the OP, I shouldn't really have used it to draw similarities between the 2 tbh, but essentially they are comparable.
    Auschwitz

    Guantanamo


    Feel free to draw. Im only American, I have trouble understanding these things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭espinolman


    Because the Nazis loss the war

    But did they lose it ! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭Sofaspud


    espinolman wrote: »
    But did they lose it ! :rolleyes:

    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭hopalong85


    Overheal wrote: »
    I really dont think I heard you liken Guantanamo to a Concentration camp. Granted, its a POW camp. But Auschwitz? Are you being serious?

    POW camp?! Hahahahahahahaha. Bahahahahahahhahahahahahaha. POW camp! Oh, chuckle chuckle.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    hopalong85 wrote: »
    POW camp?! Hahahahahahahaha. Bahahahahahahhahahahahahaha. POW camp! Oh, chuckle chuckle.

    enniscorthy?


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