CIA had People Raped with Broken Bottles

The Saint · 06-11-2009 04:09PM

While previously the CIA operated extensively in Uzbekistan, the CIA haven't been operting with the Uzbecks since relations soured after the 2005 Andijan massacre when the US were kicked out after criticising the massacre.

However, the US has also rendered people to other countries with exemplary human rights records such as Egypt and Syria (quite ironic since the later is in the "axis of evil" and a "state sponsor of Terror").

Overheal · 06-11-2009 04:26PM

Captain Furball wrote: »

So who's fault is it so for being so retarded?
They're a nation of warmongering invading *****.
Looking forward to when a sliced pan costs 20 dollars for the idiots.

and in turn costs 50 euro pour vous.

My name is URL · 06-11-2009 04:41PM

I wonder how many of the guys in G-Bay have been tortured.. and the US will not allow them to stay in the country after release.. they're relocating them to other nations instead, Ireland included

It's like shitting all over the world and not even having the grace to wipe up afterwards

Overheal · 06-11-2009 04:45PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I wonder how many of the guys in G-Bay have been tortured.. and the US will not allow them to stay in the country after release.. they're relocating them to other nations instead, Ireland included

It's like shitting all over the world and not even having the grace to wipe up afterwards

In fairness, if you don't want your elected officials to agree to receiving gitmo prisoners, petition them to reject the offer, as dozens of other countries already have.

In fact the whole reason we're going to miss obama's 1yr deadline to close guantanamo is that there is nowhere to send them.

I dont mind if you bitch about one or the other but be aware they are in direct opposition to eachother. Youre either mad at gitmo being open or mad that the prisoners are being sent elsewhere. theyre mutually exclusive.

My name is URL · 06-11-2009 04:49PM

Overheal wrote: »

In fairness, if you don't want your elected officials to agree to receiving gitmo prisoners, petition them to reject the offer, as dozens of other countries already have.

In fact the whole reason we're going to miss obama's 1yr deadline to close guantanamo is that there is nowhere to send them.

I dont mind if you bitch about one or the other but be aware they are in direct opposition to eachother. Youre either mad at gitmo being open or mad that the prisoners are being sent elsewhere. theyre mutually exclusive.

Why not send them home, or god forbid allow them to stay in the US?

Other nations didn't cause this clusterfcuk, the US did

jhegarty · 06-11-2009 04:59PM

Overheal wrote: »

In fact the whole reason we're going to miss obama's 1yr deadline to close guantanamo is that there is nowhere to send them.

Why doesn't he just release them in America , it really means what he says shouldn't be a problem.

Poccington · 06-11-2009 05:01PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Why not send them home, or god forbid allow them to stay in the US?

Other nations didn't cause this clusterfcuk, the US did

Plenty of other nations(Ireland included) supported the war in Afghanistan, plenty of other nations would have captured enemy combatants as well as suspected combatant, the US merely built somewhere to put those people.

Overheal · 06-11-2009 05:05PM

jhegarty wrote: »

Why doesn't he just release them in America , it really means what he says shouldn't be a problem.

For the same reason we dont just **** them all in Ireland or the UK. The States are their own Entities. While the Federal Government has a lot of control, it cannot force any State to unwillingly house these detainees.

I wouldnt at all be surprised if that liberty extended to refusal to house them in Federal Bases inside of state borders. Hence why Guantanamo is used.

Phil D · 06-11-2009 05:05PM

Hardly surprising that they're raping people in Uzbekistan when they raped children in their own country for the sake of experimentation. The MKULTRA experiments are shocking and have even got a presidential apology.

ejmaztec · 06-11-2009 05:10PM

Captain Furball wrote: »

America is actually the problem with the world.
I can't wait till hyper inflation hits them idiots.And they're country falls apart.Sick ****ers are always kidnapping people torturing people and using veto's when clearly they shouldn't be allowed.

If the US economy falls apart, so will most of the others. As bad as Ireland's is now, it would be ten times worse as a result.:eek:

jhegarty · 06-11-2009 05:11PM

Overheal wrote: »

For the same reason we dont just **** them all in Ireland or the UK. The States are their own Entities. While the Federal Government has a lot of control, it cannot force any State to unwillingly house these detainees.

I wouldnt at all be surprised if that liberty extended to refusal to house them in Federal Bases inside of state borders. Hence why Guantanamo is used.

I am not aware of states having entry controls , once a person has been allowed in by the federal government.

The Saint · 06-11-2009 05:16PM

Overheal wrote: »

I wouldnt at all be surprised if that liberty extended to refusal to house them in Federal Bases inside of state borders. Hence why Guantanamo is used.

I think if these people were housed in the US rather than the Gitmo they would have to be dealt with under US law and would have access to US courts. Using Gitmo kept these people out of the US legal jurisdiction and under the spurious distiction of "enemy combatant" that has no basis in international law.

My name is URL · 06-11-2009 05:59PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

If the US economy falls apart, so will most of the others. As bad as Ireland's is now, it would be ten times worse as a result.:eek:

Probably the reason why there's not any international pressure on the US to investigate and put an end to this stuff

Nodin · 06-11-2009 06:04PM

Degsy wrote: »

How can you rape somebody with a broken bottle?

You can certainly rape somebody with an unbroken bottle and maybe it'll break but i call highjinks on the broken bottle rapage allegation.

Oh yeah and the whole article is crap.

Care to go into detail why the "whole article is crap"?

franklyshocked · 06-11-2009 06:08PM

its tollerated because Amerikkka has "The Bomb".
They stayed out of world war 2 till they were forced into it, so we knew at that time which side they were on.
Then they swept in and picked up all the german scientists working on secret weapons and got top class rocket and nuclear research giving them the edge on a lot of other countries.
Then in the 50's they became "one nation under god" so they have to be the good guys don't they?
Then again, Spain during the time of Inquisition was the most christian place you could get and they went a little crazy on the torture then too.

My point really is that America was (Possibly still is) a country under the influence of extremist religious control so its easy to justify killing and torturing people from other beliefs. If you don't believe what we believe you must be evil. Didn't George Bush make some statement that non-christians couldn't really be patriots? Or something to that effect.

Lets see what "change" Obama can make because for as long as I can remember America's need to be world police and leaders of Freedom(TM)
is only really for American freedom and peace in America.
We can see from the practice of rendition of terror suspects, they don't respect other countries borders or laws but want everyone else to respect them, possibly fear them even.
Ruling the world by fear and propaganda might be something else they've stolen from the Nazi war machine

kowloon · 06-11-2009 06:13PM

DeVore wrote: »

No cos the "extraordinary rendition" flight is a Ryanair one.

Dev.

Seven quid for a sandwich, we all know what the real crime is here.

ejmaztec · 06-11-2009 06:26PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Probably the reason why there's not any international pressure on the US to investigate and put an end to this stuff

That's why it always helps to have many fingers in the pies of many countries, and at the same time have everyone by the balls (or tits as the case may be).:eek:

Overheal · 06-11-2009 06:36PM

jhegarty wrote: »

I am not aware of states having entry controls , once a person has been allowed in by the federal government.

Regarding prisoners they most certainly do.

ejmaztec · 06-11-2009 06:46PM

kowloon wrote: »

Seven quid for a sandwich, we all know what the real crime is here.

That Jedward pair are criminals as well, because they also do some extraordinary renditions.:eek:

CCCP^ · 06-11-2009 06:47PM

Naos wrote: »

Did the CIA rape people with broken bottles or did they garner intelligence gleaned from a different judicial system which raped people with broken bottles?

And the difference is?

Rented Mule · 06-11-2009 06:49PM

George Bush invented the 'cock meat sandwich'.

My name is URL · 06-11-2009 07:43PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

That's why it always helps to have many fingers in the pies of many countries, and at the same time have everyone by the balls (or tits as the case may be).:eek:

Surely they'd still have fingers in pies without the need for torture, hell even limit it to water-boarding! The idea of a nation that's seemingly so in favor of civil liberties supporting violent and bloody torture is sickening

If it was the UK been exposed like this there'd be uproar from the public until those responsible were brought to justice, but the US population seem to either ignore the fact or are completely oblivious to what's going on

wudangclan · 06-11-2009 07:48PM

My name is URL wrote: »

The idea of a nation that's seemingly so in favor of civil liberties supporting violent and bloody torture is sickening

that idea is a fallacy given the creation of the patriot acts,the breaking of the posse comitus acts and the surveillance by the nsa on the american population.
most yanks seem to be too drugged up on x-factor ,nfl,sex and the city,fox news,legal drugs and illegal drugs etc. to care.

My name is URL · 06-11-2009 08:01PM

wudangclan wrote: »

that idea is a fallacy given the creation of the patriot acts,the breaking of the posse comitus acts and the surveillance by the nsa on the american population.
most yanks seem to be too drugged up on x-factor ,nfl,sex and the city,fox news,legal drugs and illegal drugs etc. to care.

Says a hell of a lot for humanity in general =(

wudangclan · 06-11-2009 08:03PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Says a hell of a lot for humanity in general =(

we're all pretty much robotic according to the software inputted (?) into us.
i reckon derren brown is a decent bloke.i'd give him control of the media and let him use it to influence us,on a mass scale,for good.

ejmaztec · 06-11-2009 08:18PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Surely they'd still have fingers in pies without the need for torture, hell even limit it to water-boarding! The idea of a nation that's seemingly so in favor of civil liberties supporting violent and bloody torture is sickening

If it was the UK been exposed like this there'd be uproar from the public until those responsible were brought to justice, but the US population seem to either ignore the fact or are completely oblivious to what's going on

UK intelligence organisations have been "observers" in various parts of the world, including Pakistan, not to mention Gitmo as well. Some of the UK residents released by the Americans, mentioned that MI5 and MI6 officers paid visits to Gitmo on a regular basis.

There's no doubt that the UK is involved, but they've been doing it for a lot longer than the Americans, and are a bit more discreet.

citizen_p · 06-11-2009 08:19PM

Degsy wrote: »

How can you rape somebody with a broken bottle?

You can certainly rape somebody with an unbroken bottle and maybe it'll break but i call highjinks on the broken bottle rapage allegation.

Oh yeah and the whole article is crap.

maybe they get it inside..and then break the bottle

My name is URL · 06-11-2009 08:36PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

UK intelligence organisations have been "observers" in various parts of the world, including Pakistan, not to mention Gitmo as well. Some of the UK residents released by the Americans, mentioned that MI5 and MI6 officers paid visits to Gitmo on a regular basis.

There's no doubt that the UK is involved, but they've been doing it for a lot longer than the Americans, and are a bit more discreet.

I'd well believe that they are in cahoots, they share intelligence all the time.

But are they flying people who have not had any trial or representation to these backwaters so that they can be brutalized in the name of it's people?

The UK is a lapdog to America, but lapdogs don't have as big a bite. If anything I'd say that they're too afraid to go against the US or challenge them on the techniques they use.

Either way though, it's the public that should be demanding transparency from the bodies they employ to protect them

06-11-2009 08:39PM

Yeah, for some reason I read that as CIE. The train people. Got a shock there!

wudangclan · 06-11-2009 08:40PM

Lia_lia wrote: »

Yeah, for some reason I read that as CIE. The train people. Got a shock there!

it's the latest punishment for fare-dodgers.

CIA had People Raped with Broken Bottles

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