CIA had People Raped with Broken Bottles

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The CIA relied on intelligence based on torture in prisons in Uzbekistan, a place where widespread torture practices include raping suspects with broken bottles and boiling them alive, says a former British ambassador to the central Asian country.

Craig Murray, the rector of the University of Dundee in Scotland and until 2004 the UK's ambassador to Uzbekistan, said the CIA not only relied on confessions gleaned through extreme torture, it sent terror war suspects to Uzbekistan as part of its extraordinary rendition program.

"I'm talking of people being raped with broken bottles," he said at a lecture late last month that was re-broadcast by the Real News Network. "I'm talking of people having their children tortured in front of them until they sign a confession. I'm talking of people being boiled alive. And the intelligence from these torture sessions was being received by the CIA, and was being passed on."

Human rights groups have long been raising the alarm about the legal system in Uzbekistan. In 2007, Human Rights Watch declared that torture is "endemic" to the country's justice system.

Murray said he only realized after his stint as ambassador that the CIA was sending people to be tortured in Uzbekistan, country he describes as a "totalitarian" state that has never moved on from its communist era, when it was a part of the Soviet Union.

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wtf

How come Nazi officers are still perused and punished to this day for war crimes committed 60 years ago while stuff like this is been done by the US today?!

Naos

Did the CIA rape people with broken bottles or did they garner intelligence gleaned from a different judicial system which raped people with broken bottles?

omahaid

I think it is tolerated because we see America as the good guy especially against evil islamic terrorists. We're easily conned by tv/movies/popular politicians. And we are discouraged by governments and the judiciary from sticking our noses in. But we don't mind either, once we have an iphone and the newest transformers film.

hooradiation

Because they can officially go "hey, what happens in Uzbekistan, stays in Uzbekistan. Except for the completely unreliable information we get. That gets to come back"

Gummy Panda

Naos wrote: »

Did the CIA rape people with broken bottles or did they garner intelligence gleaned from a different judicial system which raped people with broken bottles?

Because the Nazis loss the war

CountingCrows

He's waited 5 years to speak up about this?

Blazer

omahaid wrote: »

I think it is tolerated because we see America as the good guy especially against evil islamic terrorists. We're easily conned by tv/movies/popular politicians. And we are discouraged by governments and the judiciary from sticking our noses in. But we don't mind either, once we have an iphone and the newest transformers film.

sorry..when are the Transformers 3 and the new iphone being released?
I'm looking for a new phone and am wondering should I wait?

Biggins

Naos wrote: »

Did the CIA rape people with broken bottles or did they garner intelligence gleaned from a different judicial system which raped people with broken bottles?

Either way, they turn a blind eye towards these terrible actions, if true.
Yet another consequence of Bush getting into power I suspect. He has a lot to answer for.
Him and his father.

SV

they get away with it cos IT'S AMERICA, AMERICA IS ALWAYS RIGHT! ALWAYS ALWAYS!!!!!!!!

Biggins

CountingCrows wrote: »

He's waited 5 years to speak up about this?

..Till Bush and Co was out of power I suspect.

omahaid

Berkut wrote: »

sorry..when are the Transformers 3 and the new iphone being released?
I'm looking for a new phone and am wondering should I wait?

2011 for transformers 3 and I believe that there is speculation that the next iphone will be released in 2010. You should wait at the nearest mapple store until then.

Sleipnir

Why do press reports critical of the security forces use the phrase "extraordinary rendition" and not what it actually is; kidnap.
"It's not a crime if you give it a different name"

a different judicial system

By that reasoning, the Nazi's and communist Russia under Stalin were just different judicial systems.

You Suck!

America...FUCK YEAH!
Comin to rape ya with a muthafuckin bottle!

My name is URL

Naos wrote: »

Did the CIA rape people with broken bottles or did they garner intelligence gleaned from a different judicial system which raped people with broken bottles?

It's all the one in my view, they sent people there in the knowledge that they'd be tortured in order to gain information. Loopholes like that shouldn't excuse what happens

Degsy

How can you rape somebody with a broken bottle?

You can certainly rape somebody with an unbroken bottle and maybe it'll break but i call highjinks on the broken bottle rapage allegation.

Oh yeah and the whole article is crap.

Biggins

Degsy wrote: »

How can you rape somebody with a broken bottle?

You can certainly rape somebody with an unbroken bottle and maybe it'll break but i call highjinks on the broken bottle rapage allegation.

In a way too terrible to describe here.
I know of many cases in history and to whom it was done.

Sir Oxman

CountingCrows wrote: »

He's waited 5 years to speak up about this?

I remeber reading about this a while back (his allegations) - he was removed from his office in 2004 I think.

RossFixxxed

Do they supply you with the bottle? It'd save me a fortune in... oh...


Sorry wrong board!

DeVore

RossFixxxed wrote: »

Do they supply you with the bottle? It'd save me a fortune in... oh...


Sorry wrong board!

No cos the "extraordinary rendition" flight is a Ryanair one.

Dev.

Super Sidious

The Nazi's are still persued because the people they tortured were innocent men women children...

Where as the people the CIA torture fly planes into buildings and happily kill themselves while taking thousands of innocent people with them...

ejmaztec

In the good old days, when people thought that it was a good idea not to blow the whistle, no-one knew what the hell the intelligence world got up to, so they probably didn't bother getting some other butchers to extract information, and did it themselves. They obviously think that now, if they're just "observers", it gets them off the hook. They must think that we're all stupid.

Stercus Accidit

flynner13 wrote: »

The Nazi's are still persued because the people they tortured were innocent men women children...

Where as the people the CIA torture were in the wrong place at the wrong time

fyp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJ0QwyBZGk

Yogurt stand ffs.


And even the guys who held kalashnikovs during the Afghani invasion were members of the national army, they are supposed to be p.o.w's.

Mr Benevolent

Thread title is wrong. CIA didn't rape anyone with a broken bottle.

My name is URL

Confab wrote: »

Thread title is wrong. CIA didn't rape anyone with a broken bottle.

Amended =p

Sleipnir

flynner13 wrote: »

The Nazi's are still persued because the people they tortured were innocent men women children...

Where as the people the CIA torture fly planes into buildings and happily kill themselves while taking thousands of innocent people with them...

Yeah! What did all those innocent Vietnamese do to America again?

How about the Nicaraguans?

How about the Iraqis? What did they do to America?

speedboatchase

Sleipnir wrote: »

Yeah! What did all those innocent Vietnamese do to America again?

How about the Nicaraguans?

How about the Iraqis? What did they do to America?

Yes the CIA are rounding up innocent Iraqis, give me a break

Sofaspud

flynner13 wrote: »

Where as the people the CIA torture fly planes into buildings and happily kill themselves while taking thousands of innocent people with them...

Wow, and here's me assuming that people who flew planes into buildings died as a result of the crash, silly me!

I was unaware of these super-terrorists that can survive plane crashes long enough to be tortured. Being raped with broken bottles would be a walk in the park to them!

lucky-colm

you think that is bad

because this is what i found from the irish civil war

pictures from inside an irish torture chamber during the civil war

http://blancaperse.org/img/20090924_guinness_aniversary_07.jpg

lucky-colm

Confab wrote: »

Thread title is wrong. CIA didn't rape anyone with a broken bottle.

so they had only one broken bottle is that it?

wes

The US is notorious with ignoring stuff like this, as long as the people doing it are on side. For example, the US was best pals with Saddam, when he was engaged in Genocide against the Kurds in Northern Iraq, and it only became a issue for them when Saddam was no longer on side, which was long after the fact.

the_syco

I wonder where he heard about this? Rumours, or did he witness it? I'm thinking it's all 3rd party information.

Stercus Accidit

speedboatchase wrote: »

Yes the CIA are rounding up innocent Iraqis, give me a break

What happened to Iraqi soldiers who fought against the US invasion, pow status, or guantanamo?

That was just the start of the occupation, these days 'suspects' can be sold to the Americans, if you think the information that leads to these arrests is vetted and with a presumption of innocence you need to inform yourself better before deciding that thicko propaganda fed yanks on the ground are going to treat 'terror suspects' properly. Just watch the above video and see what they have to say for themselves, its terrifying that these thugs are given free reign over other human beings.

If the guards at guantanamo were ordered to march the 'terrorists' into a gas chamber I imagine it would happen. The jews were dehumanised by nazi propaganda, what is an iraqi or afghani other than a terrorist now, and from your post, I guess you have swallowed the same tripe.

biko

CIA likes to subcontract their dirty work.
Blackwater Xe for example, Christian militia.

netwhizkid

Brilliant idea, after seeing "One Guy, One Jar" I would spill my guts in an instant. "But I swear that money was only resting in my account":D

mukki

netwhizkid wrote: »

Brilliant idea, after seeing "One Guy, One Jar" I would spill my guts in an instant. "But I swear that money was only resting in my account":D

wtf?

kaimera

Craig Murray, the rector

rector?

damn near killed them I imagine.

lol.

Valmont

Biggins wrote: »

Yet another consequence of Bush getting into power I suspect. He has a lot to answer for.
Him and his father.

*Rabble Rabble* George Bush made me late for the bus last week. I also heard that he personally caused every single problem in America and the world. I read that he is also personally planning to kill the last few polar bears once their numbers are down from global warming, which he also personally and solely caused.

When are people going to realise that George Bush isn't the only nefarious individual in the government of the United States? Talk about a simplified scapegoat.

netwhizkid

mukki wrote: »

wtf?

One Guy, One Cup

aka

One Guy, One Jar, google it NSFW!

The other was a reference to the the good priest himself Fr. Ted Crilly.

ejmaztec

Valmont wrote: »

*Rabble Rabble* George Bush made me late for the bus last week. I also heard that he personally caused every single problem in America and the world. I read that he is also personally planning to kill the last few polar bears once their numbers are down from global warming, which he also personally and solely caused.

When are people going to realise that George Bush isn't the only nefarious individual in the government of the United States? Talk about a simplified scapegoat.

I think that George W just went with the flow, but he was probably encouraged by the fact that his old man was an ex-CIA director. It's a safe bet that the CIA were up to no good, even when George W was in short pants, and long before George Senior had anything to do with them.

netwhizkid

netwhizkid wrote: »

One Guy, One Cup

aka

One Guy, One Jar, google it NSFW!

The other was a reference to the the good priest himself Fr. Ted Crilly.

Fek work, it's not safe if you want to sleep after watchin it!

stackerman

flynner13 wrote: »

The Nazi's are still persued because the people they tortured were innocent men women children...

Where as the people the CIA torture fly planes into buildings and happily kill themselves while taking thousands of innocent people with them...

No mistakes then :mad:
All this sort of thing does is build no's for the terrorists, shortsighted and totally wrong.

Biggins

Valmont wrote: »

*Rabble Rabble* George Bush made me late for the bus last week. I also heard that he personally caused every single problem in America and the world. I read that he is also personally planning to kill the last few polar bears once their numbers are down from global warming, which he also personally and solely caused.

When are people going to realise that George Bush isn't the only nefarious individual in the government of the United States? Talk about a simplified scapegoat.

I have no doubt he (and daddy) was not the only one (Cheney?) but to use an analogy, if a ship goes off course, who is ultimately responsible for the ship?
The captain or the deck-hand?

Bush and co however did bring about the many, many changes in their laws that allowed some in his departments to run riot of over freedoms.
It was his ultimate signature that brought into law those nefarious legal doctrines - and in many cases, the terrible consequences.

O' and as for "he is also personally planning to kill the last few polar bears..."
Please, don't get the environment people started on his refusal to sign the Kyoto Agreement!

Gone Drinking

Rawstory.com? Please..

I'll only listen to stories of the CIA from credible sources.. such as Run_to_da_hills

hooradiation

flynner13 wrote: »

Where as the people the CIA torture fly planes into buildings and happily kill themselves while taking thousands of innocent people with them...

While the CIA are good at their job, i think even they would find it hard to interrogate people who'd just killed themselves by flying a plane into a building.

Voodu Child

Thats disgraceful, you don't know what you'd catch from a broken bottle

OutlawPete

Biggins wrote: »

.. if a ship goes off course, who is ultimately responsible for the ship?
The captain or the deck-hand?

You imply here that George Bush was the captian of the ship. I don't think any president of America is EVER the 'captain of (that) ship'.

The USA is a THE world power and I don't think that they would ever let one man make decisions that could or would change that fact. The CIA is the captain of the ship that is The US of A, they always were and they always will be.

Biggins

OutlawPete wrote: »

You imply here that George Bush was the captian of the ship. I don't think any president of America is EVER the 'captain of (that) ship'.

The USA is a THE world power and I don't think that they would ever let one man make decisions that could or would change that fact. The CIA is the captain of the ship that is The US of A, they always were and they always will be.

I'm partly inclined to agree with you but until "they" are exposed further (with solid evidence), Americans (and the rest of the world) have to go along with to whom "the buck" stops with officially.

OutlawPete

Biggins wrote: »

I'm partly inclined to agree with you but until "they" are exposed further (with solid evidence), Americans (and the rest of the world) have to go along with to whom "the buck" stops with officially.

I see that but I just can't help having a little *sigh* when I watch TV and see George Bush blamed for every stupid and evil decision that the USA has made. The man couldn't string two sentences together and yet we are supposed to believe he had the intelligence to run a country.

Obama has already been forced to backtrack on some changes he planned to implement (and that's just the ones we know about publicly).

What I would give to be a fly on the wall at Obama's CIA security briefings and then afterwards be able to fly down the hall when they left after them and hear what the people who make the real decisions really think about Obama and what information they are in possession of that they would never divulge to the new 'black guy'.

irishultra

The USA is a scumbag nation.

Overheal

I blame religion and the uber-religious zealots they let run organizations like the CIA.

ejmaztec

Overheal wrote: »

I blame religion.

I blame glass-bottle manufacturers. If cartons were made compulsory, there wouldn't be as big a problem.