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CIA had People Raped with Broken Bottles

  • 06-11-2009 12:46PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,364 ✭✭✭✭


    The CIA relied on intelligence based on torture in prisons in Uzbekistan, a place where widespread torture practices include raping suspects with broken bottles and boiling them alive, says a former British ambassador to the central Asian country.

    Craig Murray, the rector of the University of Dundee in Scotland and until 2004 the UK's ambassador to Uzbekistan, said the CIA not only relied on confessions gleaned through extreme torture, it sent terror war suspects to Uzbekistan as part of its extraordinary rendition program.

    "I'm talking of people being raped with broken bottles," he said at a lecture late last month that was re-broadcast by the Real News Network. "I'm talking of people having their children tortured in front of them until they sign a confession. I'm talking of people being boiled alive. And the intelligence from these torture sessions was being received by the CIA, and was being passed on."

    Human rights groups have long been raising the alarm about the legal system in Uzbekistan. In 2007, Human Rights Watch declared that torture is "endemic" to the country's justice system.

    Murray said he only realized after his stint as ambassador that the CIA was sending people to be tortured in Uzbekistan, country he describes as a "totalitarian" state that has never moved on from its communist era, when it was a part of the Soviet Union.


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    wtf

    How come Nazi officers are still perused and punished to this day for war crimes committed 60 years ago while stuff like this is been done by the US today?!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    Did the CIA rape people with broken bottles or did they garner intelligence gleaned from a different judicial system which raped people with broken bottles?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    I think it is tolerated because we see America as the good guy especially against evil islamic terrorists. We're easily conned by tv/movies/popular politicians. And we are discouraged by governments and the judiciary from sticking our noses in. But we don't mind either, once we have an iphone and the newest transformers film.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Because they can officially go "hey, what happens in Uzbekistan, stays in Uzbekistan. Except for the completely unreliable information we get. That gets to come back"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Naos wrote: »
    Did the CIA rape people with broken bottles or did they garner intelligence gleaned from a different judicial system which raped people with broken bottles?

    Because the Nazis loss the war


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭CountingCrows


    He's waited 5 years to speak up about this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,496 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    omahaid wrote: »
    I think it is tolerated because we see America as the good guy especially against evil islamic terrorists. We're easily conned by tv/movies/popular politicians. And we are discouraged by governments and the judiciary from sticking our noses in. But we don't mind either, once we have an iphone and the newest transformers film.


    sorry..when are the Transformers 3 and the new iphone being released?
    I'm looking for a new phone and am wondering should I wait?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Naos wrote: »
    Did the CIA rape people with broken bottles or did they garner intelligence gleaned from a different judicial system which raped people with broken bottles?

    Either way, they turn a blind eye towards these terrible actions, if true.
    Yet another consequence of Bush getting into power I suspect. He has a lot to answer for.
    Him and his father.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    they get away with it cos IT'S AMERICA, AMERICA IS ALWAYS RIGHT! ALWAYS ALWAYS!!!!!!!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    He's waited 5 years to speak up about this?

    ..Till Bush and Co was out of power I suspect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    Berkut wrote: »
    sorry..when are the Transformers 3 and the new iphone being released?
    I'm looking for a new phone and am wondering should I wait?

    2011 for transformers 3 and I believe that there is speculation that the next iphone will be released in 2010. You should wait at the nearest mapple store until then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    Why do press reports critical of the security forces use the phrase "extraordinary rendition" and not what it actually is; kidnap.
    "It's not a crime if you give it a different name"
    a different judicial system

    By that reasoning, the Nazi's and communist Russia under Stalin were just different judicial systems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭You Suck!


    America...FUCK YEAH!
    Comin to rape ya with a muthafuckin bottle!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,364 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Naos wrote: »
    Did the CIA rape people with broken bottles or did they garner intelligence gleaned from a different judicial system which raped people with broken bottles?

    It's all the one in my view, they sent people there in the knowledge that they'd be tortured in order to gain information. Loopholes like that shouldn't excuse what happens


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    How can you rape somebody with a broken bottle?

    You can certainly rape somebody with an unbroken bottle and maybe it'll break but i call highjinks on the broken bottle rapage allegation.

    Oh yeah and the whole article is crap.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Degsy wrote: »
    How can you rape somebody with a broken bottle?

    You can certainly rape somebody with an unbroken bottle and maybe it'll break but i call highjinks on the broken bottle rapage allegation.

    In a way too terrible to describe here.
    I know of many cases in history and to whom it was done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    He's waited 5 years to speak up about this?


    I remeber reading about this a while back (his allegations) - he was removed from his office in 2004 I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    Do they supply you with the bottle? It'd save me a fortune in... oh...


    Sorry wrong board!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Do they supply you with the bottle? It'd save me a fortune in... oh...


    Sorry wrong board!
    No cos the "extraordinary rendition" flight is a Ryanair one.

    Dev.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭Super Sidious


    The Nazi's are still persued because the people they tortured were innocent men women children...

    Where as the people the CIA torture fly planes into buildings and happily kill themselves while taking thousands of innocent people with them...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,278 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    In the good old days, when people thought that it was a good idea not to blow the whistle, no-one knew what the hell the intelligence world got up to, so they probably didn't bother getting some other butchers to extract information, and did it themselves. They obviously think that now, if they're just "observers", it gets them off the hook. They must think that we're all stupid.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    flynner13 wrote: »
    The Nazi's are still persued because the people they tortured were innocent men women children...

    Where as the people the CIA torture were in the wrong place at the wrong time

    fyp



    Yogurt stand ffs.


    And even the guys who held kalashnikovs during the Afghani invasion were members of the national army, they are supposed to be p.o.w's.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Thread title is wrong. CIA didn't rape anyone with a broken bottle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,364 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Confab wrote: »
    Thread title is wrong. CIA didn't rape anyone with a broken bottle.

    Amended =p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    flynner13 wrote: »
    The Nazi's are still persued because the people they tortured were innocent men women children...

    Where as the people the CIA torture fly planes into buildings and happily kill themselves while taking thousands of innocent people with them...

    Yeah! What did all those innocent Vietnamese do to America again?

    How about the Nicaraguans?

    How about the Iraqis? What did they do to America?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,835 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Sleipnir wrote: »
    Yeah! What did all those innocent Vietnamese do to America again?

    How about the Nicaraguans?

    How about the Iraqis? What did they do to America?

    Yes the CIA are rounding up innocent Iraqis, give me a break


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭Sofaspud


    flynner13 wrote: »
    Where as the people the CIA torture fly planes into buildings and happily kill themselves while taking thousands of innocent people with them...

    Wow, and here's me assuming that people who flew planes into buildings died as a result of the crash, silly me!

    I was unaware of these super-terrorists that can survive plane crashes long enough to be tortured. Being raped with broken bottles would be a walk in the park to them!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 798 ✭✭✭lucky-colm


    you think that is bad

    because this is what i found from the irish civil war

    pictures from inside an irish torture chamber during the civil war

    http://blancaperse.org/img/20090924_guinness_aniversary_07.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 798 ✭✭✭lucky-colm


    Confab wrote: »
    Thread title is wrong. CIA didn't rape anyone with a broken bottle.


    so they had only one broken bottle is that it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    The US is notorious with ignoring stuff like this, as long as the people doing it are on side. For example, the US was best pals with Saddam, when he was engaged in Genocide against the Kurds in Northern Iraq, and it only became a issue for them when Saddam was no longer on side, which was long after the fact.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    I wonder where he heard about this? Rumours, or did he witness it? I'm thinking it's all 3rd party information.


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