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Supreme Court says no women need apply to Golf Club. Mod warning post 119

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  • #212
    Cadiz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Cadiz


    Zulu wrote: »
    I'm surprised...

    ...where are the feminazis???

    Locked up in some sad fantasy in your head, thankfully :p


  • #213
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Cadiz wrote: »
    No, your comprehension of my point is incorrect. The value of that 3/4 million plus tax money spend on an international event at a club like that go way beyond 2003.

    Show us.

    Tbh I don't even care if they do or not, but at least back it up.

    And please learn to use the quote function.


  • #214
    Cadiz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Cadiz


    Magnus wrote: »
    It is apparently a tradition at Portmarnock that the President of Ireland is given an honorary membership of the club. This honorarium was instituted at a time when it would have been inconceivable that a mere woman would have broken into the all-male club of Irish Presidents.

    Bertie (who doesn't play golf) is also an honorary member (or at least was til 2007). Also of Elm Park and Rathfarnham.


  • #215
    Cadiz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Cadiz


    Zulu wrote: »
    Funny, he doesn't state he has a 'bad man' complex - yet you accuse him of bad eye sight.

    Sweet how you rush to speak for MM. It's cute. Are you an item? Oh no wait 'fat birds' as you call them, that's your area of attraction, isn't it, judging by the expertise you attest to about them earlier in this thread.


  • #216
    Cadiz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Cadiz


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Show us.

    Tbh I don't even care if they do or not, but at least back it up.

    And please learn to use the quote function.

    You can't keep track of your own quotes never mind mine so why bother any further. (Blame the lack of quote function if you like :cool:)


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  • #217
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Things are getting awful personal in here folks. Take it down a notch.


  • #218
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Cadiz wrote: »
    You can't keep track of your own quotes never mind mine so why bother any further. (Blame the lack of quote function if you like :cool:)
    So you can't back it up then? Fair enough, all you have to is say so rather than attempt to come up with a witty retort.


  • #219
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Cadiz wrote: »
    The value of that 3/4 million plus tax money spend on an international event at a club like that go way beyond 2003.
    But they didn't recieve any money after that - right? So you're wrong, right?
    Some golf greens do indeed have wooded areas.
    A green, with trees on it? Honestly? We ALL know thats a lie.
    Your rudeness and expletives just make you look ignorant and do nothing to further your argument, by the way.
    In your opinion. And lets not forget - that would be the opinion of a person that believes you'll find trees on a golf green.
    Try not to take any of this personal Cadiz, it's after hours for one.
    Warfi wrote: »
    This was aimed at me, it has my username in it.
    No, the next sentance has your username in it.
    You still haven't provided evidence.
    Provide evidence of what? That I didn't say what you think I did??
    It's impossible to prove what does not exist, hence the onus of proof lays with the person claiming something to be true.
    All you have done is quote me saying that women need more time off than men after birth because of the physical side of giving birth. You've then included your quote with your spin on what you wanted it to mean
    Oh dear; that wasn't me. I suggest you look for your evidence from the correct person.


  • #220
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    <snip>


  • #221
    The Orb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭The Orb


    Lab_Mouse wrote: »
    Having said that I think they should be allowed full membership of portmarnock golf club.Anything to piss those golf playing tossers off(no jeans in club house please..ah would you go eff off)

    Well then take yourself off to Stepaside or some pitch and putt club where you can wear your shellsuit all day long


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  • #222
    Cadiz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Cadiz


    eoin wrote: »
    Hopefully this will balance out when men have the same opportunity to take 6 months paternity leave, plus 16 weeks unpaid leave following the birth of a child.

    My mates who have children, both mums and dads, would love men to have that opportunity.


  • #223
    Cadiz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Cadiz


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    So you can't back it up then? Fair enough, all you have to is say so rather than attempt to come up with a witty retort.

    Again: I've back it up. You asked again for info I'd already given. I supplied it to you again. Then you claimed I'd misquoted you and that you'd asked for something else.

    I didn't attempt a witty retort. It's was successful :D


  • #224
    Cadiz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Cadiz


    Zulu wrote: »
    But they didn't recieve any money after that - right? So you're wrong, right?
    A green, with trees on it? Honestly? We ALL know thats a lie.
    In your opinion. And lets not forget - that would be the opinion of a person that believes you'll find trees on a golf green.
    Try not to take any of this personal Cadiz, it's after hours for one.
    No, the next sentance has your username in it.
    Provide evidence of what? That I didn't say what you think I did??
    It's impossible to prove what does not exist, hence the onus of proof lays with the person claiming something to be true.
    Oh dear; that wasn't me. I suggest you look for your evidence from the correct person.

    No idea what the last bit is about. As for the preceeding bit, you seem to be tracking my posts replying to Magic Marker avidly, so you can pick up my reply there - it would pretty much the same.


  • #225
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    That, or, I'm following the thread.


  • #226
    c4cat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭c4cat


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Men and golf. Men and golf. It's one of those things that make them feel 'like a man'.
    Men are much more desperately insecure than women are. They need to constantly reassure themselves that they are manly.
    As a consequence of this they don't like women doing what they see as 'manly' things.

    I've played golf all my life, love it. Played with men a few times, and never have again, as it just isn't fun. They hate the fact that a woman can play golf. One said to me why wasn't I on the pitch and Putt course, he couldnt believe that I actually wanted to and could play 18 holes.

    Club are groups of people with like minded views,opinions or mindsets. I believe different genders have different views, opinions or mindsets. To be honest I can not see why a group of like minded people, of one gender or other, can not form a club for the likes of themselves, without having others of a different mindset or gender come banging on their door, insisting in the name of equality to join and change the character of way the club was originally formed for. Just as I as an individual can ignore or exclude another from my life, I think a club of individuals who have privately formed a group should be able to do the same


  • #227
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Cadiz wrote: »
    Again: I've back it up. You asked again for info I'd already given. I supplied it to you again. Then you claimed I'd misquoted you and that you'd asked for something else.

    This is getting ridiculous now, do I have to quote you again to prove you wrong? Or are you purposefully being obtuse?

    You provided links to ONE time the Government provided funds 6 years ago, and that was for The Irish Open, a tournament which is beneficial to Irish Tourism and the economy. If you can really complain about this then more fool you. I think we all agree it hardly equates to paying for their golf clubs.

    Now, moving on, since then you've posted this...
    Cadiz wrote: »
    No, your comprehension of my point is incorrect. The value of that 3/4 million plus tax money spend on an international event at a club like that go way beyond 2003.

    This is what I'm asking you to back up.

    Now, you can actually back up your statements, or you can continue to purposely go around in circles ignoring what I think I've made pretty clear.


  • #228
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    You haven't really explained why my post regarding the dominant culture s sexist and misandrist, zulu. If it was, surely it would be reported and subsequently deleted like the 10's of sexist misogynist posts which I'm sure you also reported due to their vile nature.

    Oh and I want links and back up and proof please as to why it is.


    Also, there is a tree on Deer Park golf course.

    And how long exactly does it take to recover from childbirth, that I don't know but I would imagine it varies.


  • #229
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Zulu wrote: »
    Ah well, it all depends on who you assoicate with really. At a KKK meeting you'll find plenty of things that are "common knowledge" amonst the crowd, that aren't true. "Common knowledge" isn't fact. Defining something as "common knowledge" doesn't make it true unfortunatly.

    Depends on who I associate with...? Are you denying that white straight middle class males are in many positions of privilage in this country and my post is based purely on lies because I perhaps associate with a group like the KKK, or 'Feminazis' as you put it...?

    The ecomonic wealth is split across the sexes, as is the poliitical power - what with it being an open democroacy.

    Right. So you read the link of proof that you so politely invited me to post, yeah?

    I am sure you read up on these two salient points that refute your post there.
    After adjusting for differences in hours worked, women’s hourly earnings were around 86% of men’s.
    The report shows that women are under-represented in decision-making structures at both national and regional levels. In 2008 only 13% of TDs in Dáil Eireann were women, while they accounted for 34% of members of State Boards, 17% of members of local authorities and just 15% of members of regional authorities. The average representation in national
    parliaments for EU27 countries was nearly 24% in 2008.
    eoin wrote: »
    Hopefully this will balance out when men have the same opportunity to take 6 months paternity leave, plus 16 weeks unpaid leave following the birth of a child.

    So you are saying that women will have access to equal earning power and be included powerful decision making processes, not to mention be allowed into golf club bars where after a long day on the course we can relax and have a drink with our equally powerful network of associates, once men get a fairer representation of paternity leave?

    Great. Where do I sign?


  • #230
    Eoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,288 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    WindSock wrote: »
    So you are saying that women will have access to equal earning power and be included powerful decision making processes, not to mention be allowed into golf club bars where after a long day on the course we can relax and have a drink with our equally powerful network of associates, once men get a fairer representation of paternity leave?

    Great. Where do I sign?

    I'm not going to bother to make my points yet again. Sign wherever you want. Edit - disappointing that you've reduced it into this: "once men get a fairer representation of paternity leave". If that's really all you think it's about, you have really missed the point.


  • #231
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    WindSock wrote: »
    You haven't really explained why...
    I'm waiting for you to establish that it's true first. You have claimed something as true, but have failed on all occasions to provide even a shred of proof. Why is that? Because you have no proof? Because it's a lie?
    Oh and I want links and back up and proof please as to why it is.
    I see! Lets recap quickly: you claim something is true without providing evidence, I challenge you as to it's validity, you demand proof from me. Right. I got you now. :rolleyes:
    Also, there is a tree on Deer Park golf course.
    No doubt! In fact there's far more that one. ...Only, there are none on the greens, as was previously, and incorrectly, claimed.
    Are you denying that white straight middle class males are in many positions of privilege in this country
    That’s a nice change of the original point you made. Here's what you initially said, which I objected to:
    the straight white middle class male in Ireland is the dominant class and culture
    I asked you to provide evidence of this assertion. I believe that our culture is heavily influenced by both sexes, not just the "straight white middle class male". However you seem happy enough to trot that out as a fact, so I'm asking for evidence. ...or seeing as you now appear to have changed tack, are we to take it as an admission that you are incorrect?
    and my post is based purely on lies because I perhaps associate with a group like the KKK, or 'Feminazis' as you put it...?
    That’s a beautiful and spectacular strawman you are building. I never suggested you associated with the KKK or "feminazis". While the latter you admitted to yourself here I certainly never suggested it. And the former is a deliberate misquote from here.
    As to why you'd deliberately misquote me? I dunno, but it is a little sad. :(
    I mean, unless the truth was making you uncomfortable, why would anyone want to change what was said in a conversation in order to continue it. And if, indeed, the truth was making anyone feel uncomfortable, then you'd have to ask why!


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  • #232
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    eoin wrote: »
    . Edit - disappointing that you've reduced it into this: "once men get a fairer representation of paternity leave". If that's really all you think it's about, you have really missed the point.

    Sorry, I thought that's what you were implying by this post....

    eoin wrote: »
    Hopefully this will balance out when men have the same opportunity to take 6 months paternity leave, plus 16 weeks unpaid leave following the birth of a child.

    That's what I was referring to.


  • #233
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Zulu wrote: »
    I'm waiting for you to establish that it's true first. You have claimed something as true, but have failed on all occasions to provide even a shred of proof. Why is that? Because you have no proof? Because it's a lie?
    I see! Lets recap quickly: you claim something is true without providing evidence, I challenge you as to it's validity, you demand proof from me. Right. I got you now. :rolleyes:
    No doubt! In fact there's far more that one. ...Only, there are none on the greens, as was previously, and incorrectly, claimed.
    That’s a nice change of the original point you made. Here's what you initially said, which I objected to:
    I asked you to provide evidence of this assertion. I believe that our culture is heavily influenced by both sexes, not just the "straight white middle class male". However you seem happy enough to trot that out as a fact, so I'm asking for evidence. ...or seeing as you now appear to have changed tack, are we to take it as an admission that you are incorrect?
    That’s a beautiful and spectacular strawman you are building. I never suggested you associated with the KKK or "feminazis". While the latter you admitted to yourself here I certainly never suggested it. And the former is a deliberate misquote from here.
    As to why you'd deliberately misquote me? I dunno, but it is a little sad. :(
    I mean, unless the truth was making you uncomfortable, why would anyone want to change what was said in a conversation in order to continue it. And if, indeed, the truth was making anyone feel uncomfortable, then you'd have to ask why!

    I haven't ever misquoted you. Maybe you're the one that is full of sht...

    I've given you examples. You can interpret or misinterpret them however way you wish to suit your argument, but you haven't given me any stats or links to prove yours. I still stand by the fact that that demographic hold the positions of power therefore dominate our culture. Yes, some other cultures seep in but they are not the majority.


  • #234
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    WindSock wrote: »
    I haven't ever misquoted you. Maybe you're the one that is full of sht...
    Well I provided proof in my previous post of the deliberate misquotes. So saying I'm full of shit is a bit rich really.
    I've given you examples.
    You've given no proof to support your wild assertions.
    but you haven't given me any stats or links to prove yours.
    Unlike you, I haven't stated anything as a fact, so what do you require stats or links for?
    I still stand by the fact that...
    A fact which you cannot provide any proof of, ergo it's not a fact. What you have there WindSock is opinion, which is fine, but it's not a fact. To suggest otherwise is a big, steaming, pile of bullshit. :)


  • #235
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    I have provided a link, you haven't been able to refute it.

    Maybe because you are talking ****e as usual, I dont know

    oh and eh...:)


  • #236
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    WindSock wrote: »
    I have provided a link, you haven't been able to refute it.
    Oh dear, perhaps I missed it. You provided proof that:
    WindSock wrote:
    the straight white middle class male in Ireland is the dominant class and culture and we have to live and abide by that in almost every other aspect of our daily lives.
    ?? Really??? Would you mind either posting it again or linking to the post - because I've double checked, and I can't find it anywhere.

    ...whats that smell??
    Maybe because you are talking ****e as usual, I dont know
    As usual!?! You're not taking this personal are you? I mean, there's little point getting upset because some stranger has called you up on a lie.


  • #237
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Zulu wrote: »
    Oh dear, perhaps I missed it. You provided proof that:
    ?? Really??? Would you mind either posting it again or linking to the post - because I've double checked, and I can't find it anywhere.

    Oh I thought the statistics shown prove the fact that the system in place currently works for the aforemented demographic, therefore one is dominant over the other in regards to privilages of economic status and power, having such privilages gives such a demographic to accentuate their culture over others'.
    Or so one would think. But hey, what's the point in arguing with a person who is in denial. They will always deny because oh what was that? Truth hurting.


    As usual!?! You're not taking this personal are you? I mean, there's little point getting upset because some stranger has called you up on a lie.

    Oh no, not at all. I haven't taken anything personally. I just thought you would like to be on the recieving end of your immature and militant style of posting, so you can understand how childish it is. :) (I see we are on smiley terms now too)


  • #238
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    WindSock wrote: »
    Oh I thought the statistics shown...
    Hummm, but what statistics WindSock? You haven't provided any to prove you assertion to be correct. In fact, you keep avoiding doing so. But hey, thats fine, opinions are grrreat!! Just be careful you don't confuse opinion with fact.
    I see we are on smiley terms now too
    I don't restrict the use of smileys - feel free to use them anytime.


    So to summise:
    1. You said: the straight white middle class male in Ireland is the dominant class and culture and we have to live and abide by that in almost every other aspect of our daily lives.
    2. I asked you to provide proof that that was in fact true.
    3. You refused to provide proof.
    4. I suggested that the reason you wouldn't provide proof was because you couldn't, ergo it wasn't true
    5. You asked me to provide proof
    6. I explained I didn't claim something as fact
    7. You said you provided proof.
    8. I asked you to link to it or provide it.

    ...and you say I'm full of ****; that I'm in denial; that I'm talking ****e; that I'm immature.
    WindSock, I haven't resorted to personal insults, personal slights, avoidance, misquotes and lies. If only you could say the same, eh?


  • #239
    Newaglish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish


    Why are Mammy and Daddy fighting? :(


  • #240
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Zulu wrote: »
    Hummm, but what statistics WindSock? You haven't provided any to prove you assertion to be correct. In fact, you keep avoiding doing so. But hey, thats fine, opinions are grrreat!! Just be careful you don't confuse opinion with fact.
    I don't restrict the use of smileys - feel free to use them anytime.



    So to summise:
    1. You said: the straight white middle class male in Ireland is the dominant class and culture and we have to live and abide by that in almost every other aspect of our daily lives.
    2. I asked you to provide proof that that was in fact true.
    3. You refused to provide proof.
    4. I suggested that the reason you wouldn't provide proof was because you couldn't, ergo it wasn't true
    5. You asked me to provide proof
    6. I explained I didn't claim something as fact
    7. You said you provided proof.
    8. I asked you to link to it or provide it.
    ...and you say I'm full of ****; that I'm in denial; that I'm talking ****e; that I'm immature.
    WindSock, I haven't resorted to personal insults, personal slights, avoidance, misquotes and lies. If only you could say the same, eh?

    I have provided stats. Twice. I linked the site and I quoted it in 2 of my posts. You keep demanding what I have already posted and saying I haven't posted anything. Nor have you even tried to tackle anything on the stats or link I have provided. I made a statement, backed it up and you didn't refute it. You even called it misandrist for which I asked how and you didn't explain that either...

    As for the personal insults, I am echoing what you have said to me. I guess some can dish it out but can't take it, eh?


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  • #241
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Newaglish wrote: »
    Why are Mammy and Daddy fighting? :(


    Because Daddy is a gay black jewish transsexual golf playing lesbian :pac:


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