The dole is too much!!

Fol20 · 11-09-2009 12:16am

givyjoe81 wrote: »

Are you for real?! How much have you contributed to the tax coffers?! Your working part-time on the min wage for christ sake! A €1 a week in tax is it?! I do of course understand the principle at least, but dont be kidding us that your being 'robbed' by the 'scroungers' on the dole:P

Actually 5 or 6 a week :eek:..Im broke from the taxing :mad:

Max Power1 · 11-09-2009 12:18am

givyjoe81 wrote: »

Are you for real?! How much have you contributed to the tax coffers?! Your working part-time on the min wage for christ sake! A €1 a week in tax is it?! I do of course understand the principle at least, but dont be kidding us that your being 'robbed' by the 'scroungers' on the dole:P

Now now, every little helps!

*disclaimer - I do not work for tesco

thebman · 11-09-2009 3:58am

givyjoe81 wrote: »

Are you for real?! How much have you contributed to the tax coffers?! Your working part-time on the min wage for christ sake! A €1 a week in tax is it?! I do of course understand the principle at least, but dont be kidding us that your being 'robbed' by the 'scroungers' on the dole:P

Not really relevant, people that work or have worked aren't really scroungers so I say pay them.

If out of work now they will get work eventually because they want to and pay back anything they've taken out.

SLOOPY · 11-09-2009 4:31am

Terry wrote: »

That cracked me up.

Nothing to do with you personally, Mr. Bravo.
It's just that I saw coming two years ago.
The AH regualrs at the time were full of themselves. They were mouthing off about dole scroungers back them. The same people are now giving out about being broke because their jobs are gone and they have to get by on the dole.

I know it's really crass and low to laugh at them, but I'm going to laugh anyway.
They laughed at me two years ago when I told them that they may end up on the dole themselves some day. They were too blinded by the Celtic Tiger to believe me.

If I knew them personally, I'd go to their local welfare exchanges and point an laugh at them
Not because thet are on the dole, but because they sneered at those in the same situation two years ago.

This got me thinking about all those people (86 of them:p) who thanked the OP (i'm assuming that they agreed with him that the dole was too high) back in January.
I was just wondering if any of them have lost their jobs since then and if so,do they still think the dole is too high now?

Johnnnybravo · 11-09-2009 12:25pm

Terry wrote: »

That cracked me up.

Nothing to do with you personally, Mr. Bravo.
It's just that I saw coming two years ago.
The AH regualrs at the time were full of themselves. They were mouthing off about dole scroungers back them. The same people are now giving out about being broke because their jobs are gone and they have to get by on the dole.

I know it's really crass and low to laugh at them, but I'm going to laugh anyway.
They laughed at me two years ago when I told them that they may end up on the dole themselves some day. They were too blinded by the Celtic Tiger to believe me.

If I knew them personally, I'd go to their local welfare exchanges and point an laugh at them. Not because thet are on the dole, but because they sneered at those in the same situation two years ago.

Eh Terry I was not one of those "regular AH People" So Id appreciate if you didnt quote when your on about this and make it look like ive gone from the dole is too much, to the dole is not too much. Maybe find one of the people that actually did that and direct them to this thread, just dont imply that it was me in future.

javaboy · 11-09-2009 1:28pm

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Stop drinkin you scrounge and GET A JOB

Banned. Post like an adult or not at all.

givyjoe81 · 11-09-2009 4:39pm

thebman wrote: »

Not really relevant, people that work or have worked aren't really scroungers so I say pay them.

If out of work now they will get work eventually because they want to and pay back anything they've taken out.

You misunderstood me, i think. Dont think they, or indeed myself are scroungers, just think its a bit rich that a student paying all of six euros a week in tax is making judgements well beyond his years without really understanding peoples situations.

MagicMarker · 12-09-2009 10:43am

dumbblonde122 wrote: »

tu shay

I like your username.

dumbblonde122 · 12-09-2009 10:46am

MagicMarker wrote: »

I like your username.

Thanks Magic Marker.......debatable whether it is true or not

Wuggectumondo · 12-09-2009 11:31am

My mum knows a young lone parent who has a council house to herself, just does the odd course once in a while and ... (no joke)..

is getting a boob job in the HSE!

thebman · 19-10-2009 12:05pm

Stark wrote: »

Ok. But also, please don't assume that all my opinions are regarding those on JB. Most of my opinions of the system are based around JA and long term unemployment by choice. There's something very wrong when standard of living on JA>standard of living on low pay. I especially didn't like the sentiment (not voiced by you, by other posters) that a car is a basic necessity for someone on JA, considering I was on minimum wage five years ago and couldn't afford a car until two years ago (thankfully I'm on average industrial wage these days) so it was definitely a luxury in my case.

Don't know I was able to afford a car in my first job. Took a year before I'd saved enough but I could have got a loan if required, I just don't do loans.

I agree about JA. Needs to be much lower for people who are long term unemployed or have never contributed anything. I don't know what you should define long term to.

I think if someone walks out of college into present climate they should get a JB allowance not JA as they never had a chance to contribute. I also think people who just ran out of contributions should be given an addition seeking time as they were at least in work until recently.

Anyone unemployed for a year or more during boom time should have theirs substantially reduced and would probably save the state a fortune. Should also cut down on silly additional benefits that don't make sense. Obviously nobody wants the disabled effected either.

Don't if cuts to the rest would be substantial though :-/

SLUSK · 19-10-2009 12:36pm

Irishcrx wrote: »

Am I the only one that thinks the dole is far too high in this country, why would anyone want to get a job even if there was any. I have a mate I live it and he has more bloody money than I do and I work 45 hours a week. He has his rent payed for him by the government and pays 30 euro a month himself, and then the extra 200 a week as normal and this is without lifting a finger all he does all day is sleep, eat, smoke and eat and complain about being busy if he has to walk 5 mins to the shop at some point in the next 4 hours.

Do you think the government will be forced to cut the dole payments if the national debt and unemployment keeps rising?

The dole is a transfer of wealth from the productive to the inproductive. There should be no dole, I myself am voluntarily unemployed and I take no part in these welfare schemes.

There should not be a dole.

BigEejit · 19-10-2009 12:39pm

I didnt read the whole 20 pages, just some here and there. I have a question though, is there a graph anywhere showing dole payments, basic single person without any extra allowances, versus time .... maybe over the last 20 years (possibly also showing inflation and average industrial wage)

I remember in 1990 when I left college I was entitled to something like £32 a week and I would love to know how it went from that to the current figure.

(I should say that I emigrated 4 years ago, writing was on the wall writ large)

irishvamp90 · 19-10-2009 1:05pm

In my road theres a hse house with aload of young scum living in it,i was getting the bus last week and 2 of the lads that live in that house got on the bus but had free travel passes...these guys are aged around 20.HOW THE HELL ARE THEY GETTING FREE TRAVEL???

97i9y3941 · 19-10-2009 1:17pm

i think its a bloody disgrace that if someone new signs on they get scrutanised to the last whilst there have people been on it for years and they woudnt get called in or question about any attempts to find work...

Gang of Gin · 19-10-2009 1:19pm

Just an observation regarding the genuine jobseeking punters - and I completely understand the mental anguish, spirit-sapping, boredom stakes at hand - but however people bark on about the amount of this and that being received, a very large element regarding esteem is that of becoming somewhat of a pariah.

It seems to me, at the start, those mates (who are employed) would offer that 'it's such hard luck losing a job and you'll get one soon!' but over a period of months the unfortunate one(s) without a job start to get written out of being invited to anything that involves spending much money. And I'm talking something as simple as a visit to the cinema.
It isn't done in a nasty way I'm sure, but I'm sure more tend to be more forgetful as the months go on.

I'm sure people may be playing a very miniature fiddle about this comment, but it can be a soul destroying element in a downturn that many have experienced.

And those that are spoofing with the system, well I'm sure it won't affect them in those terms as these types generally have a large annex of mates doing the same at the same time.

Kess73 · 19-10-2009 1:47pm

Gang of Gin wrote: »

Just an observation regarding the genuine jobseeking punters - and I completely understand the mental anguish, spirit-sapping, boredom stakes at hand - but however people bark on about the amount of this and that being received, a very large element regarding esteem is that of becoming somewhat of a pariah.

It seems to me, at the start, those mates (who are employed) would offer that 'it's such hard luck losing a job and you'll get one soon!' but over a period of months the unfortunate one(s) without a job start to get written out of being invited to anything that involves spending much money. And I'm talking something as simple as a visit to the cinema.
It isn't done in a nasty way I'm sure, but I'm sure more tend to be more forgetful as the months go on.

I'm sure people may be playing a very miniature fiddle about this comment, but it can be a soul destroying element in a downturn that many have experienced.

And those that are spoofing with the system, well I'm sure it won't affect them in those terms as these types generally have a large annex of mates doing the same at the same time.

Good post.

Johnnnybravo · 19-10-2009 3:01pm

Gang of Gin wrote: »

Just an observation regarding the genuine jobseeking punters - and I completely understand the mental anguish, spirit-sapping, boredom stakes at hand - but however people bark on about the amount of this and that being received, a very large element regarding esteem is that of becoming somewhat of a pariah.

It seems to me, at the start, those mates (who are employed) would offer that 'it's such hard luck losing a job and you'll get one soon!' but over a period of months the unfortunate one(s) without a job start to get written out of being invited to anything that involves spending much money. And I'm talking something as simple as a visit to the cinema.
It isn't done in a nasty way I'm sure, but I'm sure more tend to be more forgetful as the months go on.

I'm sure people may be playing a very miniature fiddle about this comment, but it can be a soul destroying element in a downturn that many have experienced.

And those that are spoofing with the system, well I'm sure it won't affect them in those terms as these types generally have a large annex of mates doing the same at the same time.

Excellent post. I for one can say I found out who my real friends are when it became aparent that it wasnt going to be as easy as I thought to get a new job. Now to be honest like you say I dont think it was out of spite, one said to me they were sick of me using money as an excuse to not go anywhere ( I think this was a case of you know how people say their broke but manage a night out anyway, well I couldnt even afford petrol so believe me it was no lame excuse) and the 2nd of these 2 stopped speaking to me because I snapped a little and said I was probably the worst person to come to every 2nd day complaining about the 7.5% paycut she got because well I would of loved that over no job at all.

I really no longer get invited to stuff by people that would have invited me in the past and I get the odd "yer a hermit" now jibe etc, F%ck em. I am disapointed though that its come to that.

orourkeda · 19-10-2009 3:20pm

All the people on here who have ridiculed unemployed people should thank their lucky stars.

You never know whats around the corner in life and you may find yourself unemployed at some point. You'll then find that all your pre conceived notions about the dole being too high will be blown out of the water. Don't take my word for it. Just wait until it happens to you

Stark · 19-10-2009 3:22pm

By that time the country will probably be bankrupt and won't be able to afford to pay the dole anyway.

orourkeda · 19-10-2009 3:28pm

Stark wrote: »

By that time the country will probably be bankrupt and won't be able to afford to pay the dole anyway.

What happens then>

It's not as if we will be able to earn any money in the future if the country is bankrupt.

seahorse · 19-10-2009 3:31pm

irishvamp90 wrote: »

In my road theres a hse house with aload of young scum living in it,i was getting the bus last week and 2 of the lads that live in that house got on the bus but had free travel passes...these guys are aged around 20.HOW THE HELL ARE THEY GETTING FREE TRAVEL???

I trust you know them well enough to be able to label them "young scum"?

If they're using free travel passes they have to be on disability allowance/benefit (whichever it's called)

Captain Havoc · 19-10-2009 3:53pm

I was unemployed there for six months. It gets boring after a while. At the end of the day I paid PRSI so when the day would come, I'd be looked after. There definately needs to be a review though, I know guys never worked a day in their lives. Make them do social work of some sort or they get nothing.

Sage'sMama · 19-10-2009 4:47pm

Stark wrote: »

By that time the country will probably be bankrupt and won't be able to afford to pay the dole anyway.

When the cut all the Public Sector wages there will be plenty left to pay the dole.We may even get a raise.:rolleyes:

thatsa spicy · 19-10-2009 5:03pm

SLUSK wrote: »

There should not be a dole.

While it makes sense from a brute economic point of view to simply keep the unproductive individuals alive with extremely basic living conditions, I don't think its humane really to let whole families suffer as a result of the potential breadwinner's laziness/ mental problems/ lack of industiousness/ bad luck.

Kess73 · 19-10-2009 5:17pm

Johnnnybravo wrote: »

Excellent post. I for one can say I found out who my real friends are when it became aparent that it wasnt going to be as easy as I thought to get a new job. Now to be honest like you say I dont think it was out of spite, one said to me they were sick of me using money as an excuse to not go anywhere ( I think this was a case of you know how people say their broke but manage a night out anyway, well I couldnt even afford petrol so believe me it was no lame excuse) and the 2nd of these 2 stopped speaking to me because I snapped a little and said I was probably the worst person to come to every 2nd day complaining about the 7.5% paycut she got because well I would of loved that over no job at all.

I really no longer get invited to stuff by people that would have invited me in the past and I get the odd "yer a hermit" now jibe etc, F%ck em. I am disapointed though that its come to that.

That pretty much sums up my story since being let go earlier this year.

I am glad to be getting the dole as it just about covers me to survive, but things like going to the pub have been stopped totally and even a simple thing like going to the cinema has become one film so far this year.

I think a lot of people don't grasp what it means to actually have nothing left in your wallet after paying the bills, and think you are just being miserly when you say you cannot go to the pub or whatever.

It does open your eyes to a lot of people that you regarded as friends beforehand though, and it also makes you wonder as to how people can actually become career dole claimers, because there is no novelty in going months without having a job to go to in my eyes, so I cannot imagine being like this for years on end.

I am hoping that my luck changes though as this week I have a number of interviews after not getting so much as a call back for months, so if things go well I will be able to sign off soon and go back to work. It is amazing how less picky you become about the jobs that you apply for when you do not have a job to start with.

It will make me have a lot more sympathy for those who lost jobs and have families to feed though, I am lucky in the sense that I don't have to try and feed/clothe kids etc whilst I am out of work. It has to be very hard for people who now find themselves in that situation.

RoyalMarine · 19-10-2009 6:02pm

speaking of the dole being too much, do ye have the same opinion on one parent family allowance, and the back to education allowance?
they are all similiar rates to the dole, including rent allowance, medical card, discount for travel and the 204.30lump sum every week.

any views on this?

baileyjackson · 19-10-2009 6:20pm

For that money they should be doing something.

Other countries get those on state welfare to actually contribute.
ie. Recycling, cleaning the streets, green projects,etc.

I know a few guys who act tried to get fired so they could Dole it, pathetic.

Johnnnybravo · 19-10-2009 6:26pm

baileyjackson wrote: »

For that money they should be doing something.

Other countries get those on state welfare to actually contribute.
ie. Recycling, cleaning the streets, green projects,etc.

I know a few guys who act tried to get fired so they could Dole it, pathetic.

"actually contribute" I paid me stamps! Not taking it outa your pocket so maybe ya should watch yer generalisations.

baileyjackson · 19-10-2009 6:29pm

Johnnnybravo wrote: »

"actually contribute" I paid me stamps! Not taking it outa your pocket so maybe ya should watch yer generalisations.

sorry, you are dead right. I understand for many its a time of need, but for some its just an abuse.

The dole is too much!!

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