Hate the English??

Fratton Fred · 08-10-2009 11:06PM

happy_acid_face wrote: »

Please read Fratten Freds posts. No one denied the black and tans existence but he did pass comment on [some of] the Irish version of history. He stated it was propaganda.

Point being. Because I know what happened in my country, and am happy to repeat it, does not mean I hate the English. If an Irish man talks of Irish history here he is automatically seen as an Anti-English republican. He is told "its the past, move on". Of course we have all moved on! But I am still entitled to be knowledgeable of my countries past.

Its not the history I take issue with, it is the way it is portrayed. It's a shame the search function is disabled because you should see a lot of McArmalite's posts. He has posted things that are not true, such as the supposed gassing of Kurds by Churchill, for no other reason than to vent anti English bile. Even Rondolfus was quite liberal with the use of the word "Genocide" and the same old tired and untrue story of the Turkish Sultan being asked by Queen Victoria not to send more money or aid. Apologies if my earlier posts were OTT, it just gets a bit tiresome after a while.

Still, when a moderator is allowed to state that the English are a bunch of **** and despite complaints hothing is done about it, what are you supposed to expect.

Fratton Fred · 08-10-2009 11:09PM

Anyway, back to the better, light hearted element of this thread, Darragh O'Breen is the funniest man on the scene at the moment and I love Podge and Rodge, but please can someone explain what is so great about Tommy Tiernan or "Hectaaaaah"?

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 11:11PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

can someone explain what is so great about Tommy Tiernan or "Hectaaaaah"?

They're not English.

Fratton Fred · 08-10-2009 11:14PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

They're not English.

A fact that brings me great joy.

ejmaztec · 08-10-2009 11:18PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Two words... Bernard Manning. Now THERE'S a reason to hate the English.

He was funny in small doses when it was "ok" to laugh at his jokes, even those involving his own Jewish religion. He was a victim of the OTT PC brigade.

Fratton Fred · 08-10-2009 11:23PM

You should have seen Jimmy Jones........

ejmaztec · 08-10-2009 11:25PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Che Guevara's real name was Shea O'Meara. Little know fact.

Yes, a distant relative of Paddy McGabe in Zimbabwe.

robinph wrote: »

Isn't Obama supposed to be "Irish" somehow as well?

and Clinton, Reagan, Muhammad Ali and God.

Latchy · 08-10-2009 11:26PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

He was funny in small doses when it was "ok" to laugh at his jokes, even those involving his own Jewish religion. He was a victim of the OTT PC brigade.

He was indeed ,like he took the piss out of every race and even the Irish ,Indians ,Pakistanis and Jews laughed ,even if they were the object of the jokes .

ejmaztec · 08-10-2009 11:32PM

Latchy wrote: »

He was indeed ,like he took the piss out of every race and even the Irish ,Indians ,Pakistanis and Jews laughed ,even if they were the object of the jokes .

I remember seeing a clip years ago of him being interviewed by the prim and proper Esther Rantzen, who criticised his comedy, and he replied with a string of abusive one-liners.:pac:

furiousox · 08-10-2009 11:34PM

j@ysus, we've gone from hating the english to loving bernard manning, what a turnaround!! :pac:

happy_acid_face · 08-10-2009 11:36PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Its not the history I take issue with, it is the way it is portrayed. It's a shame the search function is disabled because you should see a lot of McArmalite's posts. He has posted things that are not true, such as the supposed gassing of Kurds by Churchill, for no other reason than to vent anti English bile. Even Rondolfus was quite liberal with the use of the word "Genocide" and the same old tired and untrue story of the Turkish Sultan being asked by Queen Victoria not to send more money or aid. Apologies if my earlier posts were OTT, it just gets a bit tiresome after a while.

Still, when a moderator is allowed to state that the English are a bunch of **** and despite complaints hothing is done about it, what are you supposed to expect.

I never saw McArmalites posts and am not goign to say that his statements are true or false as I do not know a lot about the use of gas on the Kurds in the 20's. I do know that there is a lot of speculation on the topic though.

As for Genocide in the Cromwellian era, I agree with him. The word genocide was created in 1944 referring to violent crimes committed against groups with the intent to destroy the existence of the group. Cromwell did try to destroy the existence of the the Roman Catholic, basically, the majority of Ireland.

Also, just watched a video - see below - and got another good point. What... About... Sellafield? Thanks to that thing powering England, the Irish sea is the most radioactive in the world...

I'm sure a lot have seen this before, just thought I'd dig it up for the past for the craic...

The Top Ten: What Have The Brits Ever Done For Us?

robinph · 08-10-2009 11:43PM

It's true, Sellafield was built just to try and kill off the Irish with a good dose of radiation.

Latchy · 08-10-2009 11:43PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

I remember seeing a clip years ago of him being interviewed by the prim and proper Esther Rantzen, who criticised his comedy, and he replied with a string of abusive one-liners.:pac:

Comedy is subjective right ? Todays stand up comedians who are very pc in their own brand of humor play it safe . I remember Manning taking the pee out of Richard Wilson ( I dont believe it ) on a tv chat show shouting in his ear like he was an elderly severely deaf person ,much to the annoyance of Wilson and the host :pac:

furiousox wrote: »

j@ysus, we've gone from hating the english to loving bernard manning, what a turnaround!! :pac:

I cant say I was a big fan of his but his jokes never bothered me

happy_acid_face · 08-10-2009 11:50PM

robinph wrote: »

It's true, Sellafield was built just to try and kill off the Irish with a good dose of radiation.

When did I imply that?

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 11:54PM

robinph wrote: »

It's true, Sellafield was built just to try and kill off the Irish with a good dose of radiation.

It didn't kill us, but it might explain a few things!

ejmaztec · 09-10-2009 12:56AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

It didn't kill us, but it might explain a few things!

like the mutant politicians in government?:eek:

electrogrimey · 09-10-2009 01:47AM

No idea what this thread has digressed into, but in response to the original theme of the thread, I saw Garrett Fitzgerald at a Lisbon debate there last week, and his main point was that if he had voted no we would have been on the fringe of the EU with Britain when they vote no, and that "we spent so long trying to escape the English", and some other civil-war-themed anti-English babbling. So it appears that at least that generation (he was born 1926) are still quite anti-English...

asdasd · 09-10-2009 01:50AM

I saw Garrett Fitzgerald at a Lisbon debate there last week, and his main point was that if he had voted no we would have been on the fringe of the EU with Britain when they vote no, and that "we spent so long trying to escape the English", and some other civil-war-themed anti-English babbling. So it appears that at least that generation (he was born 1926) are still quite anti-English...

Or he was pointing out that we were much more dependent on the UK - exports, currency etc. - prior to the EU/EEC.

Ridley · 09-10-2009 02:00AM

robinph wrote: »

Isn't Obama supposed to be "Irish" somehow as well?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HplZ_taHXLM

LordSutch · 09-10-2009 11:35AM

Rondolfus wrote: »

As you mentioned , Britain had a very large Empire. And like all Empires it left a trail destruction and discontent behind it. So as you can imagine, in certain parts of the world ,overt displays of pride in the British Empire will not be welcomed or accepted.

What is conviently overlooked in recent decades is the fact that the British Empire was in fact the 'British/ Irish' Empire, with at least one third of the British army of the time being made up of Irish men from both the North & South of this island :eek: The British Empire was built with British & Irish power, with many foreign lands being administered by Irish men too! > no amount of pointing at them 'The British' will erase the historical facts that Ireland & the Irish were up to their necks in Empire building along with the English, Scots & the Welsh (collectively known at that time as the British).

Of course since independence this country has tried 'very successfully' to pretend that it had nothing whatsoever to do with the British Empire, but the history books don't lie, and its all there in black & white.

partyguinness · 09-10-2009 11:47AM

Camelot wrote: »

What is conviently overlooked in recent decades is the fact that the British Empire was in fact the 'British/ Irish' Empire, with at least one third of the British army of the time being made up of Irish men from both the North & South of this island :eek: The British Empire was built with British & Irish power, with many foreign lands being administered by Irish men too! > no amount of pointing at them 'The British' will erase the historical facts that Ireland & the Irish were up to their necks in Empire building along with the English, Scots & the Welsh (collectively known at that time as the British).

Of course since independence this country has tried 'very successfully' to pretend that it had nothing whatsoever to do with the British Empire, but the history books don't lie, and its all there in black & white.

Yes indeed...Ireland stood shoulder to shoulder (or shoud that be soldier to soldier) on an equal footing with its British neighbours in conquering the world and educating the heathen...:rolleyes:

That's one way of trying to spread the blame around.:D

LordSutch · 09-10-2009 11:56AM

Well, seeing as another poster had brought up the British Empire in an 'English' context, I thought it only correct that I suould let it be known about the considerable part the Irish played in the 'British Empire'.

steve_oh · 09-10-2009 12:07PM

people are tribal. Its the same everywhere. Everyone always hates the next tribe over and people love taking advantage. Sure the english walked all over us. We went to america and walked all over black people. We're animals!! We sulk for a while and then we forget. People should start looking at the english / polish / chinese / russians / americans as cousins. Nevermind what island you come from and forget about the past. The island is earth and the past is a load of b0llocks

getz · 09-10-2009 12:30PM

Camelot wrote: »

Well, seeing as another poster had brought up the British Empire in an 'English' context, I thought it only correct that I suould let it be known about the considerable part the Irish played in the 'British Empire'.

you would think by some of the irish posters,that the irish never had anything to do with the british empire or commonwealth,well from the very start ,and its on record,nearly half of cromwells army were irish,the biggest part of the british army were irishmen,among them some of the greatest british leaders,from about 1600 the british conquered or colonized various territories all over the world,most now independent or ruled by other powers,with over 25% of the worlds population and area, the commonwealth is composed of former and remaining territories of the british empire,even in recent times,countries have ask or applied to join,some like france had no british connection, that doesent sound to me like they hate the british.

Rondolfus · 09-10-2009 02:01PM

getz wrote: »

you would think by some of the irish posters,that the irish never had anything to do with the british empire or commonwealth,well from the very start ,and its on record,nearly half of cromwells army were irish,the biggest part of the british army were irishmen,among them some of the greatest british leaders,from about 1600 the british conquered or colonized various territories all over the world,most now independent or ruled by other powers,with over 25% of the worlds population and area, the commonwealth is composed of former and remaining territories of the british empire,even in recent times,countries have ask or applied to join,some like france had no british connection, that doesent sound to me like they hate the british.

Yes a lot of Irishmen fought in the British army and helped carve out the British Empire.These things happen, especially when a people are "desperate" to earn money becuase social conditions are so bad they can't feed their families.
However, even more Irish men fought against it.

Believe or not, in recent years many British people actually supported the Irish Republican cause. Perhaps the most prominent being Rose Dugdale

Also I'd like to query your figures in relation to Cromwells army. When you say Irishmen made up half of cromwells army, do you mean the native Irish or "anglo-Irish"? I have noticed that in a lot of British published history books they rarely make a distinction between native Irish people and those loyal "settler" subjects who obvioulsy supported the British. I have a feeling they do this so they can present an image that the Irish were fully "behind" the Empire. Even though opposite was true.

For a long time Ireland has had two ethnic groups. Those who consider themselves Irish and those that don't. I believe the vast majority of the "Irish" that fought for the British Empire were of the latter group. You know, the whole "Scots-Irish" brigade who despite what the name suggets, they only consider themselves British.

LordSutch · 09-10-2009 02:12PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Yes a lot of Irishmen fought in the British army and helped carve out the British Empire.These things happen, especially when a people are "desperate" to earn money becuase social conditions are so bad they can't feed their families. However, even more Irish men fought against it.

You sure about that?

electrogrimey · 09-10-2009 02:19PM

asdasd wrote: »

Or he was pointing out that we were much more dependent on the UK - exports, currency etc. - prior to the EU/EEC.

No he specifically mentioned 1916 and that, possibly 800 years, I can't remember exactly what he said, but it wasn't an EU thing, it was a civil-war type thing.

Noffles · 09-10-2009 02:21PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

I have a feeling they do this so they can present an image that the Irish were fully "behind" the Empire. Even though opposite was true.

I believe the vast majority of the "Irish" that fought for the British Empire were of the latter group. You know, the whole "Scots-Irish" brigade who despite what the name suggets, they only consider themselves British.

Normally your posts are full of fact and detail, here you state that you "believe" and "feel".... not quite so convincing this.

Paddycrumlinman · 09-10-2009 02:22PM

No problems with the English what so ever, its the loyalist and unionists whom I have a problem with!:)

rowlandbrowner · 09-10-2009 02:24PM

Sure England is ruled from Westminster by a Scotsman, with no form of home rule.

Hate the English??

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