Hate the English??

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 09:37PM

robinph wrote: »

What makes them Irish?

Same thing that makes Oasis "Irish"... Johnny Marr & Mozzer's parents were Irish, Andy Rourke is of Irish descent (though I'm not sure of the details) & Mike Joyce used to play with an Irish punk band (though his links to the country are possibly more tenable than that!).

Namlub · 08-10-2009 09:39PM

happy_acid_face wrote: »

And for those who said he was alone in his feelings are wrong

I are wrong then. O dear :-(

I don't hate the Germans but I'm not going to pretend that the Nazi's didn't exist.

Don't see what point you're trying to make here? No one has said 'I like the English, therefore I am going to deny the existance of the black and tans'

robinph · 08-10-2009 09:41PM

So where you are born, grow up, educated and iived all your life defines your nationality... unless there is the merest hint of Irish back in the mists of time in which case Ireland claims you as one of theirs.

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 09:45PM

robinph wrote: »

So where you are born, grow up, educated and iived all your life defines your nationality... unless there is the merest hint of Irish back in the mists of time in which case Ireland claims you as one of theirs.

If this wasn't true, we would never have made it to any World Cups.

Either way, the members of The Smiths are entitled to dual nationality, which does make them in part, Irish. Whether or not they have taken this up, I don't know.

robinph · 08-10-2009 09:47PM

I guess U2 can be offloaded onto the English though as they are 50% foriegn.

furiousox · 08-10-2009 09:48PM

robinph wrote: »

So where you are born, grow up, educated and iived all your life defines your nationality... unless there is the merest hint of Irish back in the mists of time in which case Ireland claims you as one of theirs.

Having lrish parents is hardly 'the merest hint' though, is it?

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 09:50PM

robinph wrote: »

I guess U2 can be offloaded onto the English though as they are 50% foriegn.

So where you are born, grow up, educated and iived all your life defines your nationality

ejmaztec · 08-10-2009 09:50PM

robinph wrote: »

So where you are born, grow up, educated and iived all your life defines your nationality... unless there is the merest hint of Irish back in the mists of time in which case Ireland claims you as one of theirs.

and if you're really famous, you get claimed anyway e.g. JFK

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 09:53PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

and if you're really famous, you get claimed anyway e.g. JFK

Che Guevara's real name was Shea O'Meara. Little know fact.

robinph · 08-10-2009 09:53PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

and if you're really famous, you get claimed anyway e.g. JFK

Isn't Obama supposed to be "Irish" somehow as well?

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 09:54PM

robinph wrote: »

Isn't Obama supposed to be "Irish" somehow as well?

Can you not tell? Sure aren't the big plug ears a dead giveaway?

unisolative · 08-10-2009 09:54PM

hate the english ?? humm, no not yet LOL

furiousox · 08-10-2009 09:55PM

Remember that 'lrish/ltalian' footballer Robert O' Baggio?

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 09:58PM

Or that very Irish footballer, Vinnie Jones, who, after some deliberation, opted for Wales.

fryup · 08-10-2009 10:00PM

best comedians are english much funnier than american ones

Data_Quest · 08-10-2009 10:00PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Che Guevara's real name was Shea O'Meara. Little know fact.

And one branch of Elvis' family tree originated in Hacketstown on the Carlow/Wicklow border (sorry I couldn't resist).

Back to the topic: of course everyone knows that half of Liverpool (possibly more) have strong Irish connections including half of the Beatles. How could you hate a whole city and the best band ever?

Omnomnom · 08-10-2009 10:05PM

Have nothing against them but its nice to have the rivalry in sports.

happy_acid_face · 08-10-2009 10:06PM

Namlub wrote: »

I are wrong then. O dear :-(
Don't see what point you're trying to make here? No one has said 'I like the English, therefore I am going to deny the existance of the black and tans'

Please read Fratten Freds posts. No one denied the black and tans existence but he did pass comment on [some of] the Irish version of history. He stated it was propaganda.

Point being. Because I know what happened in my country, and am happy to repeat it, does not mean I hate the English. If an Irish man talks of Irish history here he is automatically seen as an Anti-English republican. He is told "its the past, move on". Of course we have all moved on! But I am still entitled to be knowledgeable of my countries past.

Data_Quest · 08-10-2009 10:06PM

robinph wrote: »

What makes them Irish?

Morrissey has a song about having Irish blood which I think some of you will like:

Irish blood, English heart, this I'm made of
There is no-one on earth I'm afraid of
And no regime can buy or sell me

I've been dreaming of a time when
To be English is not to be baneful
To be standing by the flag not feeling
Shameful, racist or partial

Irish blood, English heart, this I'm made of
There is no-one on earth I'm afraid of
And I will die with both my hands untied

I've been dreaming of a time when
The English are sick to death of Labour
And Tories, and spit upon the name of Oliver Cromwell
And denounce this royal line that still salute him
And will salute him forever

Jim236 · 08-10-2009 10:09PM

fryup wrote: »

best comedians are english much funnier than american ones

Nah American comedians are well funnier, English comedians are all a copy of each other and all have that style of comedy I hate, where they're too polite with their jokes.

furiousox · 08-10-2009 10:14PM

l'm enjoying this thread again, its a bit more light hearted now.
Got very heavy over the last oooh 30 pages or so!

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 10:14PM

ignore this

wudangclan · 08-10-2009 10:15PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Not as good as this...

i would prefer a blank white square to morriseys' lyrics anyday.
miserable cnut.

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 10:17PM

Jim236 wrote: »

English comedians ... they're too polite with their jokes.

Two words... Bernard Manning. Now THERE'S a reason to hate the English.

OPENROAD · 08-10-2009 10:20PM

Jim236 wrote: »

Nah American comedians are well funnier, English comedians are all a copy of each other and all have that style of comedy I hate, where they're too polite with their jokes.

No way American comedy is awful particularly sit com

Namlub · 08-10-2009 10:21PM

furiousox wrote: »

Remember that 'lrish/ltalian' footballer Robert O' Baggio?

Thought it was Tony McAscarino

.!. · 08-10-2009 10:21PM

English people like most people are sound when you get to know them. Lived in England for 10 years and had the great craic with all the people I met. One thing that I liked but hated was they said things straight to your face unlike Irish people who will smile at you and then bad mouth you behind your back.

Maybe that is why people think English people can be rude? When they are really being straight forward?

OPENROAD · 08-10-2009 10:23PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Two words... Bernard Manning. Now THERE'S a reason to hate the English.

With a name like Manning :eek:

fryup · 08-10-2009 10:23PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Two words... Bernard Manning. Now THERE'S a reason to hate the English.

oh, but we can claim him as our own he's got > irish parentage

or do we only claim the english that we like:rolleyes:

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 10:47PM

fryup wrote: »

oh, but we can claim him as our own he's got > irish parentage

or do we only claim the english that we like:rolleyes:

They can keep 'em. We've already got Maeve Higgins covering the fat, sh*te & usless comedian genre.

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