Garda Regional Support Units -Success??

JonAnderton · 20-04-2009 6:37pm

maglite wrote: »

Why the weak side?

Where did she get a glock for $200???

So as to have a deliberatly different daw to the sidearm. There's been a couple of incidents in the US where the officer has fired his pistol (Oakland was the most recent I think) at the suspect thinking he had drawn his TASER... I know, I know... but thats what they're saying...

I think we need a few of these set up... should reduce the number of claims next G20...

TASER Shockwave

In action

Promotional Video

I would never have believed it only it's in the TASER catalogue!

Hooch · 20-04-2009 8:33pm

This just in €58,900 was exact price per RSU vehicle!!! Reliable info just received!!

DCTF · 21-04-2009 3:04am

Poccington wrote: »

As informative as your post is, I really don't think a public forum is the best place to be discussing COD6 and it's principles?

I didn't really give much away, didn't reveal the ROE's just that;

a) you should prevent opening fire unless necessary

b) you must be justified in your use of force

c) you must use the minimum force necessary

d) you must satisfy all legal requirements in doing so

It ain't rocket science kinda elementary step by step stuff if you think about it.

shakin · 21-04-2009 2:54pm

nice guy always wrote: »

The holster is, well its like gurders on a building if you get my drift. Only support lengths making the yellow TASER very very visiable.

The vest they wear are similar to the stab vests we have. They arent specialised vests so you cannot attach anything besides a radio clip!
AGS designing the best:rolleyes:!

are the rsu's carryying mp7's? couldnt the taser gun be mounted to the front of that or is that gun not carried atall times?

Hooch · 21-04-2009 3:01pm

shakin wrote: »

are the rsu's carryying mp7's? couldnt the taser gun be mounted to the front of that or is that gun not carried atall times?

They carry MP7s. Driver doesnt for driving reasons. Cant see it being mounted on a firearm....would expect there has to be a clear difference between lethal and non lethal but im not a firearms officer. Jon might answer?

JonAnderton · 21-04-2009 5:12pm

nice guy always wrote: »

They carry MP7s. Driver doesnt for driving reasons. Cant see it being mounted on a firearm....would expect there has to be a clear difference between lethal and non lethal but im not a firearms officer. Jon might answer?

Thats right,..hence why we all seem to get the bright yellow ones.

Also, as they're single shot weapons, if you missed or one of the probes fell out, it would be a bit awkward doing a reload concentrating on fitting the cartridge while also handling an MP7.

I'm not sure of the RSU's SOP's but over here, when the trial was extended to non firearms officers the circumstances for deploying them also changed so now they can be deployed at non firearms incidents. If the RSu have similar instructions, the pointing of a firearm at someone, just cos the TASER happens to be attached to it, may be unwarranted.

Also, in order to drive stun, ie sparking up while the TASER is in contact with the person, it's obviously has to be an up close and personal experience and usually used as a last resort when they've got too close, after a miss or ineffective firing, or on a struggling subject being detained... Basically Someone you don't want getting too close to you firearm. I've seen an instructor stooging during training drop a map from a covering MP5 whent he bloke leaned in too close.

TASER's shouldn't be deployed against armed subjects without adequate firearms cover so if the car drives up and there's a guy with a knife threatening people, the operator, who will generally be the first out, should cover with a firearm until the driver has deployed. In a perfect world, the TASER wouldn't be deployed unless there are at least three officers present. TASER man, Firearms cover and cuffing officer. Important to disnguish the three.

I don't like the idea of having two triggers on one weapon which have very different consequences if pulled.

Silop08 · 12-08-2009 1:02pm

I have been reading the post regarding the RSU and i believe they are well overdue and are doing a great job.

Now I have a few questions that maybe someone can answer. I am a member of AGS and have been for over 8yrs in the DMR. First off does anyone have a picture of what the RSU guys wear when on routine patrol.

Am just wondering after the rest of the country has RSU rolled out will the DMR have a RSU. I mean SDU do not have a less than lethal option, ERU are the elite and are on call for the rest of the country, DDU are always busy and often dont get a chance to patrol so will there be a RSU based in the DMR. To be honest it be of excellent benefit to have a dedicated armed support/response unit who's sole purpose is to back up regular patrol guys.

12-08-2009 3:57pm

Silop08 wrote: »

I have been reading the post regarding the RSU and i believe they are well overdue and are doing a great job.

Now I have a few questions that maybe someone can answer. I am a member of AGS and have been for over 8yrs in the DMR. First off does anyone have a picture of what the RSU guys wear when on routine patrol.

Am just wondering after the rest of the country has RSU rolled out will the DMR have a RSU. I mean SDU do not have a less than lethal option, ERU are the elite and are on call for the rest of the country, DDU are always busy and often dont get a chance to patrol so will there be a RSU based in the DMR. To be honest it be of excellent benefit to have a dedicated armed support/response unit who's sole purpose is to back up regular patrol guys.

I don't think that the DMR are going to be getting it due to the specialist units being based here. They have had some recent success in arresting people following robberies and the like. Not going to discuss who and what is out due to security reasons, but if you are in the DMR then you should know.

Silop08 · 12-08-2009 5:30pm

Yeah I know but my point is that OCU, SDU are engaged in specific duties and are national and I would be of the opinion that dedicated armed support which solely support the regular would be beneficial

12-08-2009 5:36pm

Silop08 wrote: »

Yeah I know but my point is that OCU, SDU are engaged in specific duties and are national and I would be of the opinion that dedicated armed support which solely support the regular would be beneficial

I've PM'd you re that above.

I should have said in my above post that Dublin should also get the RSU's. They are a nice public statement that says we can and will meet force with force. Maybe they could replace/ supplement the crime task force.

djtechnics1210 · 12-08-2009 5:46pm

A lot of taskies and drugs units have armed members..... They back up the regular. But id definitely be all for an rsu in dublin, but i honestly don't think it will happen because ags management think theres too many armed member in dmr as it is

Silop08 · 13-08-2009 12:12pm

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

A lot of taskies and drugs units have armed members..... They back up the regular. But id definitely be all for an rsu in dublin, but i honestly don't think it will happen because ags management think theres too many armed member in dmr as it is

I think If a good enough case can be made for RSU then it should happen.

noel32 · 14-08-2009 8:27pm

think there an excellent addition, if not being involed in a % of events each month or whatever just the sheer hi visability issue is excellent

the locust · 14-08-2009 10:06pm

+1 i'm all for catching crime but the primary role is prevention

POGAN · 18-08-2009 8:12pm

I saw the a Rsu unit in kearys in mallow last night, is the car automatic? the garda looked really professional and reminded me of the CO19 officers on that frontline program couple month ago its great to see them patroling

djtechnics1210 · 18-08-2009 8:27pm

CO19/RSU.... No Comparrison

CO19 = ERU

RSU should be more like ERU in my opinion, but sadly i dont think that will ever happen

Hooch · 18-08-2009 10:19pm

POGAN wrote: »

I saw the a Rsu unit in kearys in mallow last night, is the car automatic? the garda looked really professional and reminded me of the CO19 officers on that frontline program couple month ago its great to see them patroling

Yes automatic Volvo XC70 "Police Special"

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

RSU should be more like ERU in my opinion, but sadly i dont think that will ever happen

I have to disagree with m'learned colleague.......RSU are an armed response and patrol unit. ERU should alway be the better unit for responding to situations such that require "special" skills. ERU should be kept to these taskings and not on patrol. They, in my opinion should be training most days (without anyone jumping in and giving out the training programme......serving members know it quite well....no need to tell the world;)).

djtechnics1210 · 18-08-2009 10:32pm

What i meant to say (and should have worded it differently)
RSU should be trained up to a certain standard just below that of the ERU.
They should have a far greater role in interventions and not just be used for armed patrols and response to armed calls.

There are a lot of pre planned scenarios that could happen and RSU will not be able to to get involved as its not in there remit and instead ERU will have to do it.

19-08-2009 3:51pm

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

What i meant to say (and should have worded it differently)
RSU should be trained up to a certain standard just below that of the ERU.
They should have a far greater role in interventions and not just be used for armed patrols and response to armed calls.

There are a lot of pre planned scenarios that could happen and RSU will not be able to to get involved as its not in there remit and instead ERU will have to do it.

Don't they have that capability already? They just need to be authorised at the scene?

the locust · 19-08-2009 4:44pm

I think the idea is that RSU are first responders - first on the scene and the idea is RSU are trained to contain an incident before 'they' arrive

jd83 · 31-08-2009 4:12pm

Found this in Irish mail today. Looks pretty cool. Theres a funny picture thread and a car picture thread so mods feel free to move it to a picture thread. Sorry about the quality my camera is terrible.

timmywex · 31-08-2009 4:19pm

Thats the new rsu (regional support unit) based in maynooth i think and patrols the eastern region. (Wiklow, meath/louth/kildare/westmeath)

Pics appeared in most of the national papers there last week

Boston · 31-08-2009 4:22pm

Two points
1) I wonder what will happen when eventually some criminal get killed by one of these officers. I imagine public uproar.
2) That drop leg pistol holster is pretty useless. Too much movement, side arms should be carried on the hip.

ScubaDave · 31-08-2009 5:14pm

Id imagine when they are in full on, bulky, tactical kit, a hip holster would be inpractical!

djtechnics1210 · 31-08-2009 6:40pm

timmywex wrote: »

Thats the new rsu (regional support unit) based in maynooth i think and patrols the eastern region. (Wiklow, meath/louth/kildare/westmeath)

Not based there. Based in mullingar and another station but since i don't see it mentioned in paper (maybe i didnt see it) im not going to comment on which station.

wicklaman83 · 31-08-2009 11:17pm

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

Not based there. Based in mullingar and another station but since i don't see it mentioned in paper (maybe i didnt see it) im not going to comment on which station.

mullingar and newbridge

King Ludvig · 15-09-2009 5:21pm

Seen a RSU volvo in Waterford for the first time today. Wasnt in armed support mode though. It went through the lights at cork road/manor street with blues and twos and three Guards on-board. Its siren sounds quite different than that of a normal patrol car.

ivabiggon · 15-09-2009 6:30pm

what way does it go King Ludvig?

donvito99 · 15-09-2009 7:18pm

Its siren sounds quite different than that of a normal patrol car.

Yeah I heard that it has a tone that sounds like the 'BUP' on an NYFD engine.

Hooch · 15-09-2009 7:50pm

King Ludvig wrote: »

Seen a RSU volvo in Waterford for the first time today. Wasnt in armed support mode though. It went through the lights at cork road/manor street with blues and twos and three Guards on-board. Its siren sounds quite different than that of a normal patrol car.

Siren is put in by Volvo hense why its different.

The vehicle you saw was driver training. New unit is under going training at the moment. They were in Galway yesterday and today on training. As its the pursuit training course they driver with blues, normaly two at a time.

ivabiggon · 15-09-2009 8:08pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Yeah I heard that it has a tone that sounds like the 'BUP' on an NYFD engine.

sure it wasn't more like a "URNN" as apposed to a BUP!! because buppin your way through traffic wouldn't get as must attractions as URNNing your way??;)

Hooch · 15-09-2009 8:13pm

Text speak ivabiggon.......might want to edit;)

ivabiggon · 15-09-2009 11:26pm

nice guy always wrote: »

Text speak ivabiggon.......might want to edit;):D

text speak!!! i was sounding out a horn! anyway couldn't resist?
the man is talking about waling sirens....please...... if i was standing beside him in a conversation in a bar havin a pint i would have asked him " what way does it go again" he he! just to see if he played requests... no more warnings
can't afford anymore, i'll be bard. i enjoy this site
some times:rolleyes:

Shield · 16-09-2009 1:25am

ivabiggon wrote: »

i enjoy this site
some times:rolleyes:

And we enjoy having you here.

Sometimes.
:rolleyes:

Hooch · 16-09-2009 9:52am

ivabiggon wrote: »

text speak!!! i was sounding out a horn! anyway couldn't resist?
the man is talking about waling sirens....please...... if i was standing beside him in a conversation in a bar havin a pint i would have asked him " what way does it go again" he he! just to see if he played requests... no more warnings
can't afford anymore, i'll be bard. i enjoy this site
some times:rolleyes:

Warning issued ivabiggon. Next time a moderator tells you to edit text speak, do. "cos" and "tru" are text speak.

If you like posting on the site....sometimes....then read the forum charter please.

King Ludvig · 21-09-2009 9:50pm

ivabiggon wrote: »

what way does it go King Ludvig?

What way did it go? In towards the city.

nice guy always wrote: »

Siren is put in by Volvo hense why its different.

The vehicle you saw was driver training. New unit is under going training at the moment. They were in Galway yesterday and today on training. As its the pursuit training course they driver with blues, normaly two at a time.

Ah thanks for the info. Is waterford/kilkenny region going to have its own RSU?

Hooch · 21-09-2009 9:59pm

King Ludvig wrote: »

Ah thanks for the info. Is waterford/kilkenny region going to have its own RSU?

I presume its region will get one at some stage. Roll out is over the next few years so depends where they are on the list. I personally thing Waterford should have the next one.

G_R · 22-09-2009 9:40pm

I saw a RSU changing from "Normal" mode to "Armed" mode today in Monasterevin, Co. Kildare, it took a good 3-4 minutes to make the change by the time they stopped and armed up etc.

Am I alone in thinking that its ridiculous they aren't armed at all times. I have no policing experience or anything but i would think that in a situation where RSU back-up is required, 4 minutes mught just save some un-armed Gardá's life.

Hooch · 23-09-2009 4:56pm

dannym08 wrote: »

I saw a RSU changing from "Normal" mode to "Armed" mode today in Monasterevin, Co. Kildare, it took a good 3-4 minutes to make the change by the time they stopped and armed up etc.

Am I alone in thinking that its ridiculous they aren't armed at all times. I have no policing experience or anything but i would think that in a situation where RSU back-up is required, 4 minutes mught just save some un-armed Gardá's life.

In Limerick and Cork they are always armed. They stopped dis arming about 6 months ago.

Scoff · 04-05-2010 4:05pm

They're all over kildare and meath as well

eroo · 04-05-2010 9:33pm

nice guy always wrote: »

In Limerick and Cork they are always armed. They stopped dis arming about 6 months ago.

I thought it was just Limerick?

Hooch · 04-05-2010 9:44pm

eroo wrote: »

I thought it was just Limerick?

I have yet to see the lads in Cork unarmed....

04-05-2010 11:29pm

nice guy always wrote: »

I have yet to see the lads in Cork unarmed....

i have but its rare

as someone who regularly ends up at incidents with the rsu, i think they are one of the best decisions the job ever made. great sense of security knowing they are around for backup

audidiesel · 11-05-2010 4:24am

they are one of the best things that have ever come into the job. working with them in limericks made a huge difference. they have no problem calling out to anything and if things are starting to get out of hand they have the equipment and training to sort it.

genuinely sound bunch too

13-05-2010 7:09pm

audidiesel wrote: »

they are one of the best things that have ever come into the job. working with them in limericks made a huge difference. they have no problem calling out to anything and if things are starting to get out of hand they have the equipment and training to sort it.

genuinely sound bunch too

+1

Morpheus · 14-05-2010 10:58am

Boston wrote: »

Two points
That drop leg pistol holster is pretty useless. Too much movement, side arms should be carried on the hip.

Completely untrue,

when they wear any kind of tactical vest and a slung rifle, the hip holster would be completely unreachable. Drop leg makes perfect sense in this case. Ive seen them used with DF and they are very practical.

Also regarding the lads debating whether or not to call it in before shooting. As mentioned already, the situation dictates the reaction, sometimes theres no time to call it in.

Im sure as in DF there are levels of force available to cycle through up to shooting.

I know of one incident in DF this year on an exercise I was on that a security member used his training to actually detain an individual who threatened him at night. The guy jumped out of the forest right in front of him and started running towards him, it went very quickly from informing said person that he was approaching an armed soldier and that he had better stop, through to putting his finger on the trigger and safety off before the individual realised that this wasnt going to end in his favor, stopped and lay down on the road until backup came.

As most of the small hand held radios work on a line of sight basis and he was in a mountainous area he couldnt call anything in immediately, he had to make the decision alone. Such is life. I for one praise these guys, best of luck to them, hopefully with more of them around, the rank and files wont need to be armed... not that I wouldnt support that myself!

Believe me, nobody wants to actually shoot someone, no matter who or what they are, but the training we all recieve means that as the situation evolves the reaction on your part goes from being a moral question to a subliminal muscle memory action in a split second.

We all hope we never have to, but I for one know (and assume the same for most if not all others) wouldnt hesitate to shoot anyone if my own future continuation depended on it.

Locust · 14-05-2010 6:48pm

Boston wrote: »

2) That drop leg pistol holster is pretty useless. Too much movement, side arms should be carried on the hip.

It doesn't look useless, its strapped securely and isn't going to fall out. I'm informed a lot of Military & specialist law enforcement units prefer the holster on the thigh for a handgun feels as it feels most natural and is the fastest place to draw and produce the weapon. This is seen as the norm/favorite carry position for many specialist units and i think that is fairly obvious and logical when they carry a lot of other gear it can snag on.

I voted YES. I got a close up of the gear they carry and was very impressed. Well prepared, trained and equipped to assist and respond, well done, money well spent. I think the public in general is happy and is safer too. Its a very proactive move.

21-05-2010 8:31pm

i think this debate is resolved now

particularly after the cork business

Hooch · 21-05-2010 9:34pm

1922 wrote: »

i think this debate is resolved now

particularly after the cork business

+ 1.....good work to the guys and girls.

murf313 · 21-05-2010 9:53pm

just to say i came across some of these lads (midlands i presume?) at a really bad RTA near portlaoise a few weeks ago. Great bunch of guys, they helped us out in any way they could and were invaluable as we were a bit short handed before extra crews arrived.

so if any of you rsu lads are on here, thanks, it was greatly appreciated from an ambulance point of view!

Garda Regional Support Units -Success??

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