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Subaru Impreza Boxer Diesel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭lafors


    Just went to see one this morning.
    Its definitely the one I want, now I just have to persuade the wife ;)
    Only annoying thing though is there is no spare.
    They're on runflats and theres only a can of spray in the boot.
    So if you're planning on changing the 16's to 17's then you'll have to go for runflats, as you've nowhere to put the spare.

    The boot is also smaller than I expected, but would still fit a couple of golf bags or a buggy.

    Shadow Dancer, how does the ride feel on the RFTs?
    Do you have 16's or 17's?


  • Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭Shadow Dancer


    lafors wrote: »
    Just went to see one this morning.
    Its definitely the one I want, now I just have to persuade the wife ;)
    Only annoying thing though is there is no spare.
    They're on runflats and theres only a can of spray in the boot.
    So if you're planning on changing the 16's to 17's then you'll have to go for runflats, as you've nowhere to put the spare.

    The boot is also smaller than I expected, but would still fit a couple of golf bags or a buggy.

    Shadow Dancer, how does the ride feel on the RFTs?
    Do you have 16's or 17's?


    Hi lafors. I have the 16's. To be honest, I've no complaints bout the ride. I live in the country, so lots of rough roads.:rolleyes:. All in all, I find them comfy! Hope I never have to use that mousse and compressor though!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 paye


    I bought one about 2 months ago. Well equiped with FWD etc. Gearing takes a bit of getting used to - 3rd is very high and you won't enjoy changing down to 2nd too much around town!! Averaging 40mpg. No lumbar support either - so if you have a bad back, be careful! When I say 3rd is high I mean the missus drove all the way to Carlow in 3rd and thought she was in 5th!! She didn't know about 6th (women). Very quick with great mid-range grunt. 3yr warranty with good dealers - they are great value


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    so what's the best colour for the Imprezza? The legacy looks out of my price range at the moment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    so what's the best colour for the Imprezza? The legacy looks out of my price range at the moment

    I saw the
    Black
    Blue
    White

    The white comes out tops for me.
    It is white with a pearl lacquer over it.
    Not sure if that color is specific to the Top-spec one or if it is available across the range.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭TomMc


    I'd be aiming for a Legacy Estate in grey if at all possible, even a year old example rather than a brand new Impreza. The saloon as the next best option.

    As the Impreza is no beauty, the bodykit on the higher spec models help it out. The Blue looks good in all weather, although it has the boy racer look about it. Red is nice in the sun and the white is an acquired taste. IMO only the grey rather than the black works as far as darker colours are concerned. Grey is always classy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    thats the problem with the impreza, go for the middle TD R spec and you're lamost into legacy territory


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    TomMc wrote: »
    white is an acquired taste. IMO only the grey rather than the black works as far as darker colours are concerned. Grey is always classy.

    Agreed
    White is an aquired taste but have you seen this white in the flesh?
    Lets just say "It is different"

    As for Black..!
    I have two words

    NEVER AGAIN...!!! :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭TomMc


    http://cars.carrollrochesubaru.com/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200902191424704

    I saw this one in the showroom a few weeks back. Looked very well but whether you could look at it every day for a few years, I'm not so sure. And the top spec car will always look way better than the entry level model in the same colour (spartan).

    http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200915192419646

    I like the look of this one in grey, especially the side view looking from the back forwards. Far more discreet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    so what's the best colour for the Imprezza? The legacy looks out of my price range at the moment

    Are they the same limited range as the legacy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,513 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    interesting, you can get a Subaru Forester commercial for 28k including VAT now...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    TomMc wrote: »
    http://cars.carrollrochesubaru.com/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200902191424704

    I saw this one in the showroom a few weeks back. Looked very well but whether you could look at it every day for a few years, I'm not so sure. And the top spec car will always look way better than the entry level model in the same colour (spartan).

    Thats exactly the same as the one i saw in the showrooms.
    Was instantly impressed with it.
    Fortunately I qualify for a certain amount of VRT/VAT reduction (€9.5k)
    Dealer asked if I would be trading my own car ."Cordoba 1.4TDIs "
    Tols him I would most likely sel it private.
    He told me then €20k for that particular model Imprezza.. I thought it would be worth concidering :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭TomMc


    Are they the same limited range as the legacy?

    I'd say in Ireland they have more Impreza's for sale than Legacy's. I think the UK importer hasn't brought in or will not be bringing in any Diesel Impreza's till the exchange rate improves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    TomMc wrote: »
    I'd say in Ireland they have more Impreza's for sale than Legacy's. I think the UK importer hasn't brought in or will not be bringing in any Diesel Impreza's till the exchange rate improves.

    I think he was asking about the range available rather then the Quantity available. :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    I meant range of colours.... there was only about 6 for the Legacy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭EPM


    I'd go for white. Seen a couple around and the white is really nice with the pearl effect


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    TomMc wrote: »
    http://cars.carrollrochesubaru.com/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200902191424704

    I saw this one in the showroom a few weeks back. Looked very well but whether you could look at it every day for a few years, I'm not so sure. And the top spec car will always look way better than the entry level model in the same colour (spartan).
    I saw this aswell yesterday. Lovely inside & out but the white is an acquired taste and not for me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Are they the same limited range as the legacy?

    ya only 2 spec levels aswell in the legacy but the entry level is suffiecient. Only leather & sunroof on the top spec for an extra 2.5k


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    interesting, you can get a Subaru Forester commercial for 28k including VAT now...

    Don't like them....previous Forester was much better looking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    vectra wrote: »
    He told me then €20k for that particular model Imprezza.. I thought it would be worth concidering :confused:

    20k for the RS cash??? I find that hard to believe. Really?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    20k for the RS cash??? I find that hard to believe. Really?

    Well.
    Thats what the owner of the garage said to me.
    Break it down then
    What are they new?
    30.995 ?

    Take some cash sale discount = 1.5k

    balance = 29.495

    VRT/VAT Claimback = approx 9.5 K <<< ( I am exempt through disability issue )
    Balance = Magical 20K :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    vectra wrote: »
    Well.
    Thats what the owner of the garage said to me.
    Break it down then
    What are they new?
    30.995 ?

    Take some cash sale discount = 1.5k

    balance = 29.495

    VRT/VAT Claimback = approx 9.5 K <<< ( I am exempt through disability issue )
    Balance = Magical 20K :cool:
    gotcha


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    Ive been told the Subaru Boxer diesels are, for diesels, not torquey at all and the torque curve is designed to replicate a petrol, ie none of it is down low. Is that true?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 damosee


    who wants a diesel car lyk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Ive been told the Subaru Boxer diesels are, for diesels, not torquey at all and the torque curve is designed to replicate a petrol, ie none of it is down low. Is that true?
    I've spent a couple of days with one, and i'd say that's true-ish. It's not short of torque, but it's not all in a big wedge down at 1500rpm either. It's like a fairly torquey NA petrol, IMO. I was very impressed, and I generally don't have much time for diesel. Actually, maybe that's why I was impressed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,936 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Well, there's 350NM at 1800RPM. That's more torque and available earlier than a base VAG 1.9 TDI or the base FIAT 1.9 diesel, to name a few popular diesels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    unkel wrote: »
    Well, there's 350NM at 1800RPM. That's more torque and available earlier than a base VAG 1.9 TDI or the base FIAT 1.9 diesel, to name a few popular diesels.


    You and your base spec comparisons again!
    I did just find this however:
    2005+ Passat 2.0TDI (lets compare newish to new, not ancient 1.9TDI to anything):
    http://www.rri.se/popup/performancegraphs.php?ChartsID=268

    Outback BoxerDiesel 2.0 (same as Impreza?)
    http://www.rri.se/popup/performancegraphs.php?Flap=Graph&ChartsID=840

    The test and paper Torque is indeed higher on the Boxerdiesel engine, strangely though the "148BHP" Boxerdiesel comes in at 133BHP on the dyno while the "138BHP" VAG 2.0TDI pips it at a dyno'ed 139BHP.

    @Anan1 - Interesting, cant say replicating a torquey NA Petrol sounds bad at all. What did you think of the noise of it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,936 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    lets compare newish to new, not ancient 1.9TDI to anything

    Let's not. It would not be fair. A Skoda Octavia (cheapest VAG c-class car) with the cheapest diesel (1.9 105BHP) has a similar price to the Subaru diesel. They should be compared as they are competing products.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    @Anan1 - Interesting, cant say replicating a torquey NA Petrol sounds bad at all. What did you think of the noise of it?
    I drove the legacy the other day and it was very quiet...but it was nice and revvy when I gave it a bit of boot

    The only time you know its a diesel is the first 2nd of startup...I was amazed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭pburns


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    You and your base spec comparisons again!
    I did just find this however:
    2005+ Passat 2.0TDI (lets compare newish to new, not ancient 1.9TDI to anything):
    http://www.rri.se/popup/performancegraphs.php?ChartsID=268

    Outback BoxerDiesel 2.0 (same as Impreza?)
    http://www.rri.se/popup/performancegraphs.php?Flap=Graph&ChartsID=840

    The test and paper Torque is indeed higher on the Boxerdiesel engine, strangely though the "148BHP" Boxerdiesel comes in at 133BHP on the dyno while the "138BHP" VAG 2.0TDI pips it at a dyno'ed 139BHP.

    @Anan1 - Interesting, cant say replicating a torquey NA Petrol sounds bad at all. What did you think of the noise of it?

    I bought a Subaru diesel a year ago so have gotten to know it fairly well.

    Noise is good under acceleration. V. muted but slightly burbly. You'd know it's a diesel mind (just).

    It does have one strange characteristic though. When sitting in traffic after a run you will sometimes hear the revs rise slightly and feel a vibrration under your arse. Dealer said it had something to do with 'soot' been expelled(?) Doesn't bother me. Some girls might even enjoy it:D...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    @Anan1 - Interesting, cant say replicating a torquey NA Petrol sounds bad at all. What did you think of the noise of it?
    I actually kind of liked it. Don't get me wrong, i'd still prefer my petrol variant, but I thought it sweet & characterful for what it was. Another 50bhp and an autobox and I could nearly see myself wanting one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    I had a good look around the Impreza the other day...found the interior plastics very cheap and hollow and not all that screwed together....I'll be sticking with my choice for the legacy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 PugDriver


    I am thinking of getting one of these in the near future. I don't like the sound of iffy interior build quality, especially with the roads I drive on - any squeaks or rattles would drive me nuts. I was also half thinking of a year old Octavia RS TDI. I have a longish commute on icy back roads in the winter - will the 4WD be an asset in the Impreza in these conditions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    PugDriver wrote: »
    I have a longish commute on icy back roads in the winter - will the 4WD be an asset in the Impreza in these conditions?

    Hell yeah! AWD for the win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Hell yeah! AWD for the win.


    Normally in the ice it is the awd cars that crash first.
    Yes
    They have loads of grip to drive
    BUT
    You will be going faster when you try to stop in a hurry :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    interesting, you can get a Subaru Forester commercial for 28k including VAT now...

    cheaper again now colm...about 25k


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    pburns wrote: »
    It does have one strange characteristic though. When sitting in traffic after a run you will sometimes hear the revs rise slightly and feel a vibrration under your arse. Dealer said it had something to do with 'soot' been expelled(?) Doesn't bother me. Some girls might even enjoy it:D...

    was told yesterday this is a self diagnostic every 300km that the EMS carrys out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭pburns


    My problem is what i'm eventually going to replace it with. The new Legacy is fugly, the Impreza is a step backward in size and interior plastics, the Forester has gone all-SUV (not bad looking though):mad:

    I love the smooth engine, the ride comfort coupled with AWD-grip and the low-key but subtly aggressive styling. It's tailor-made for Irish conditions but the new ones are such mutts.

    I'd blame American tastes except i was over there last week and the US versions of Hondas and even the Nissan Maxima are much more handsome than the ones we get in Europe...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    pburns wrote: »
    My problem is what i'm eventually going to replace it with. The new Legacy is fugly, the Impreza is a step backward in size and interior plastics, the Forester has gone all-SUV (not bad looking though):mad:

    I love the smooth engine, the ride comfort coupled with AWD-grip and the low-key but subtly aggressive styling. It's tailor-made for Irish conditions but the new ones are such mutts.

    it has to be the US influence over the styling of the latest Subaru's. Even the front end styling of the facelifted Tribeca has gone west....I preferred the quirky original front.

    The pics I've seen of the Outback seem to just as bad for 2010, so there isn't much to choose from. Subaru have decided that to make more money and sell more cars, they need them to look more main stream.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭pburns


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    it has to be the US influence over the styling of the latest Subaru's. Even the front end styling of the facelifted Tribeca has gone west....I preferred the quirky original front.

    The pics I've seen of the Outback seem to just as bad for 2010, so there isn't much to choose from. Subaru have decided that to make more money and sell more cars, they need them to look more main stream.

    Mainstream? But Subarus never looked especially different or exotic. No, it's just Subaru have some failed engineer or the teaboy doing the design work.

    They're losing the frameless doors which is kinda sad but they're also losing the unconventional headlight set-up (by default lightsgo out with ignition - no need for warning buzz). It's a small thing but i've really grown to love that feature!

    And like i said, US-spec Jap cars aren't exactly ugly. Various Honda/Acura and Nissans are quite mouth-watering in comparison to what we get here. i'm looking at an ad for the latest Maxima:eek: in Car and Driver and holy feck it's a bloody looker! If it was the latest Leggie I'd be more than happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    What I'm trying to say is they are trying to appeal to the masses....

    The last Forester is a much better looking car than the one that replaced it but you will find the general public thinking the new Forester is nicer.

    So glad I got in now before the new Legacy comes out next year...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭HashSlinging


    I really like what they've done to the Forester, its looks really well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,818 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Anyone got a VRT and VAT breakdown on the Impreza diesel (standard spec) ? I'm guessing it's about 15k before taxes ?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭EPM


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Anyone got a VRT and VAT breakdown on the Impreza diesel (standard spec) ? I'm guessing it's about 15k before taxes ?

    Its amazing how cheap they are managing that car for considering the spec. Margins must be slim though on it from experience trying to buy one...and being disappointed:-(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    EPM wrote: »
    Margins must be slim though on it

    I think they are....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭air


    What are these like to insure? Do they get any kind of additional loading due to other Impreza models of the past? (I know this makes no sense but insurance rarely does)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    air wrote: »
    What are these like to insure? Do they get any kind of additional loading due to other Impreza models of the past? (I know this makes no sense but insurance rarely does)

    I would say its treated like any other 2.0 diesel....mind you I had some job convincing my insurance company the other day that there was such a thing as a Legacy 2.0 Diesel Estate...:confused::confused::confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭air


    Cheers, good to hear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Anyone got a VRT and VAT breakdown on the Impreza diesel (standard spec) ? I'm guessing it's about 15k before taxes ?

    I asked a dealer simply because I qualify for the vrt/vat reduction.
    He said I would be better off buying the top model as the final price would not be a huge difference between both. I think he mentioned close on 16k for the basic one. I can have the top spec one for 20k ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭air


    A friend is considering getting a jeep in addition to her car in order to tow a horse box for her daughter. I don't think she needs the ground clearance, just wondering how the 4WD as found in the Impreza would rate for this kind of work (towing on soft / slippery ground) vs a Jeep?
    I'm thinking it'd be just as good with a change of tires being required at worst.
    Any thoughts?


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