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N9 Castledermot to Kilcullen -when will it open?

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  • #52
    Bards
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,796 ✭✭✭Bards


    ... and according to the Leinster Leader (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/Lack-of-transport-hitting-south.5482240.jp) it will open in November 2009


    Published Date: 22 July 2009
    By Maeve McGovern
    BUS Eireann officials met with Athy Area Council this week to try and work out a solution to the long running lack of bus services affecting a number of south Kildare villages.
    Public transport for the villages of Moone, Timolin and Ballitore has been conspicuous by its absence. Those wishing to catch a bus must travel to Castledermot or Kilcullen to a bus stop, the meeting heard.
    Fears were raised that when the new M9 opens in November that these towns will also lose their service as buses use the motorway.

    However, these fears were allayed by the Bus Eireann representatives who said that Castledermot and Kilcullen's services would definitely continue following the M9 opening.

    As an express service running from Dublin to Waterford the emphasis is on speed and the route's commercial viability, the meeting heard.
    It was added that on safety grounds there could never be a stop at Balitore. Plans to inset new bus stops have to be investigated by Kildare County Council engineers and Gardai. "If they see any health and safety hazard they will not grant a licence," Christy Conlon of Bus Eireann said.

    He added that if buses were to make unofficial stops they would be liable to prosecution by the gardai.

    Councillor Martin Heydon, who tabled the motion, pointed out that there are people in these villages who are isolated and need to get to Dublin for a myriad of reasons.

    "It's not a big deal to have one service in the morning and one in the evening. Our fear is these villages will be completely by-passed," he said.

    Despite there being broad agreement with the idea of a stop in these villages, there are no plans to erect a pedestrian overpass or bus shelters. However, the latter suggestion is to be investigated by the council


  • #53
    jake59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭jake59


    as I said earlier in this thread there was a guy in my estate working as an engineer on this project. From talking to him recently he has been let go from the job and says that everything has slowed right down with the date of completion Oct 2010 and work is being carried out as and when money is freed up .


  • #54
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I think they should divert a certain % of the buses onto the motorway, would make for a far more efficient and quicker service for the larger urban centres on the route, where lets face it, most of the customers originate.

    Also think the Kilkenny ones should go via the new M9 rather than trundle along through Castlecomer/Athy on the bloody N78.


  • #55
    Scallion 'ater
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭Scallion 'ater


    jiggajt wrote: »
    . Technically the paying of the bonuses wont be an issue anyway as the contract was signed agreeing the bonus structure in 2007 and so the government will have to pay all bonuses regardless of whether they can afford them or not.

    Not necessarily the case. Such contract terms can and have been changed consistent with the 8% across the board reduction in all Govt. contracts. No loss to the tenderer who can now finish at a snails pace with a skeleton workforce. I have it on good authority that it will be this time next year before it opens and Powerstown to north of Waterford is set to slip to 2011.:mad:


  • #56
    road_high
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    So many differnet rumours and " so and so" said there's no money etc etc...I just take it with a pinch of salt.


  • #57
    Bards
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    Scallion 'ater wrote: »
    Not necessarily the case. Such contract terms can and have been changed consistent with the 8% across the board reduction in all Govt. contracts. No loss to the tenderer who can now finish at a snails pace with a skeleton workforce. I have it on good authority that it will be this time next year before it opens and Powerstown to north of Waterford is set to slip to 2011.:mad:

    there is the cost of having plant and machinery tied up for longer which needs to be taken into account, not to mention a contractors good name and reputation for finishing work on time

    What is your "Good Authority"? friend of a friend who heard it from some guy on a bar-stool perhaps?


  • #58
    jiggajt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jiggajt


    Scallion 'ater wrote: »
    Not necessarily the case. Such contract terms can and have been changed consistent with the 8% across the board reduction in all Govt. contracts. No loss to the tenderer who can now finish at a snails pace with a skeleton workforce. I have it on good authority that it will be this time next year before it opens and Powerstown to north of Waterford is set to slip to 2011.:mad:

    Does that mean the contractor is getting paid 8% less than what was agreed in the contract?

    I really hope your wrong as i commute to dublin alot. You may be right however as the incentive to get finished early for alot of the contractors used to be moving on to the next job and that incentive simply isnt there anymore.

    WRT Powerstown to Waterford. Will the contractor not get penalised for finishing late if they finish in 2011?


  • #59
    Nead21
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    driving back from dublin on yesterday and there was no work being done at the priory. it that where the new road will eventually join the N9?


  • #60
    lucylu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭lucylu


    no.. it will connect to the M9 at Kilcullen.
    http://n9-n10kilcullen-waterford.ie/study-area-map.htm


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  • #61
    SIX PACK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭SIX PACK


    i hope when it does open Bus Eireann or JJ Kavanagh wont drag us trough castledermot etc coz they rarely pick up passengers that route as it is (or at least 1 of them goes directly to Kilcullen:pac:


  • #62
    aynon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭aynon


    unfortunately, castledermot, what you dont see, is one of the great incomes after the big 3(carlow/dublin/waterford) for jj anyway. but the traffic will not in castlederomot. so you'll fly through.


  • #63
    Scallion 'ater
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭Scallion 'ater


    jiggajt wrote: »
    Does that mean the contractor is getting paid 8% less than what was agreed in the contract?

    Yes, everyone who has a public contract has been hit with an 8% reduction in whatever the contract price was and all incentives for early delivery etc. have been withdrawn.


  • #64
    Bards
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    Scallion 'ater wrote: »
    Yes, everyone who has a public contract has been hit with an 8% reduction in whatever the contract price was and all incentives for early delivery etc. have been withdrawn.

    Hang on a sec, are we to believe that Roadbridge, who signed a contract with the Govt in April 2008 - a legal and binding agreement between two parties, that one party can now unilaterlaly revoke said contract without any recourse?

    becasue this is what you are advocating. Do you seriously think that any company will now work for the Govt if their contracts are not worth the paper they are written on?


  • #65
    Scallion 'ater
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭Scallion 'ater


    Bards wrote: »
    Hang on a sec, are we to believe that Roadbridge, who signed a contract with the Govt in April 2008 - a legal and binding agreement between two parties, that one party can now unilaterlaly revoke said contract without any recourse?

    becasue this is what you are advocating. Do you seriously think that any company will now work for the Govt if their contracts are not worth the paper they are written on?

    Yes they can do so (in the small print of such contracts they have both walk away and renegotiate options if circumstances change which they certainly have) and are doing so in respect of contracts over €100,000.

    Yes they will work for the Govt. under these new terms. They all have the option to walk away if unhappy with the new terms but none have done so presumably because they have no option i.e. nothing else lined up so better to see it out at reduced rates.


  • #66
    jiggajt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jiggajt


    Scallion 'ater wrote: »
    all incentives for early delivery etc. have been withdrawn.

    So ALL bonuses have been completely removed. I find this unlikely. Have you any information source to back it up?


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  • #67
    testicle
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    Bull**** on the 8%, the early-completion bonus is gone, this much is true.


  • #68
    Scallion 'ater
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭Scallion 'ater


    jiggajt wrote: »
    So ALL bonuses have been completely removed. I find this unlikely. Have you any information source to back it up?

    I went back to the source of my information and have now had it clarified. In my first post on the subject I said "contract terms can and have been changed consistent with the 8% across the board reduction in all Govt. contracts". This was correct but when I replied to a query I subsequently said "everyone who has a public contract has been hit with an 8% reduction in whatever the contract price was and all incentives for early delivery etc. have been withdrawn". My source tells me I got that bit partially wrong in that the across the board 8% reduction in the value of all public contracts specifically excludes construction contracts. All other contracts with Govt. (goods, supplies, services, consultancies etc.) have been hit with the 8% reduction. For road construction the incentives for early delivery etc. have been withdrawn but the penalties for late delivery can still be imposed. This means the M9 north to Kilcullen may not now be finished until Q4 2010 and south to Waterford is sometime in 2011.


  • #69
    leincar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭leincar


    I really don't care about contracts. I just want to know how soon before I can say "I will never Knowingly be in Castledermot" again.


  • #70
    Maximus82
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭Maximus82


    Its opening in December this year....18th I think but not certain of the date but its def December.


  • #71
    jiggajt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jiggajt


    Scallion 'ater wrote: »
    This means the M9 north to Kilcullen may not now be finished until Q4 2010 and south to Waterford is sometime in 2011.

    All you have to do is check the NRA website to disprove this part of what you said. ALL the major interurban motorways will be complete by Q4 2010. The section from mulinvat to waterford is pretty much complete now but cant be opened until the waterford bypass is finished which is supposedly late this year.

    Does your source work directly for one of the contractors? I work with roadbridge on a regular basis and havent heard anything about the scrapping of bonuses.


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  • #72
    tombull82
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    Roll on the New Road


  • #73
    racso1975
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    I have to agree with maximus82. There is gonna be a 10k road race in november on the road before they open it so will be dec when traffic takes to it


  • #74
    JMcCR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭JMcCR


    Infra forum is saying Nov now...

    They are starting the tie in with the Kilcullen motorway this week or next and its scheduled to take 8 weeks. Can't wait as I'll be driving Carlow to Naas every day (again!)

    Some Good pics also posted here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61602364&postcount=493


  • #75
    sk8board
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    any further updates?

    I heard there would be a 10k run or something like that first, between Carlow and Castledermot sections, and then it would open the following week.

    I also read that the waterford to Kilkenny section will open in December (kilkennypeople website, ahven't got the link), and the waterford bridge/by-pass before that


  • #76
    tommycahir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭tommycahir


    they have the link between the old Southbound M9 and the new M9 almost completed at kilcullen and looks like alot of the road markings are done up as far as the priory when i pass daily so reckon they are on target to open in next few months.


  • #77
    Git101
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    sk8board wrote: »

    I heard there would be a 10k run or something like that first, between Carlow and Castledermot sections, and then it would open the following week.

    The 10k run is on Saturday 7th November.


  • #78
    wheres me jumpa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭wheres me jumpa


    Sweet jebus this is going to be awesome. Two Sundays ago I was driving back up to Dublin and the traffic was built up to the bypass flyover on the Carlow side of Castledermot. Grr.


  • #79
    tombull82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭tombull82


    best news i.ve ever heard.


  • #80
    paulfitzg
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭paulfitzg


    According to the AA website the roadworks at Kilcullen are to be in place until January - does that suggest that it will be the new year before the road opens?

    Anyone got any reliable info on a proposed opening date?


  • #81
    shaymousse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭shaymousse


    The road will open in November after the 10k run. Full thred on this in the Infrastructure section.


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  • #82
    sk8board
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    is it wrong that I'm so excited about a piece of tarmac?

    my 100 mile journey will soon be motorway/dual-carriageway all the way

    M1, M50, M7, M9.

    and all for a €2 toll on the M50; whatever we feel about tolls, thats value.


  • #83
    flamegrill
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    Called the county council this morning. They are saying it'll be open before the end of Q2 2010.

    That basically means anytime between now and then. Who knows when?


  • #84
    testicle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭testicle


    It's a Motorway, it has nothing to do with the Council, it's the NRA you need to be asking...

    Remember the Carlow Bypass was finished for months before it was opened.


  • #85
    Roryhy
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    testicle wrote: »
    It's a Motorway, it has nothing to do with the Council, it's the NRA you need to be asking...

    Remember the Carlow Bypass was finished for months before it was opened.

    It wasn't really, there was an issue with ducting on one small section which delayed the opening, to onlookers it seemed finished but not so.


  • #86
    wheres me jumpa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭wheres me jumpa


    Is there anything more depressing than passing Moone and about to come into Castledermort,usually around the Alpine petrol station, first you see the brake lights, then you see the hazards, then complete standstill. grr.


  • #87
    homerhop
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    wheres me jumpa wrote: »
    Is there anything more depressing than passing Moone and about to come into Castledermort,usually around the Alpine petrol station, first you see the brake lights, then you see the hazards, then complete standstill. grr.
    Turn off at the High Cross Inn and go back over onto the Athy, Carlow road


  • #88
    ShayK1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭ShayK1


    or turn at the high cross and come into town via Oak park, or in by the golf club. There's many many ways around Castledermot.


  • #89
    wheres me jumpa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭wheres me jumpa


    Ah yes, but I am going to Leighlinbridge, so If I go through Carlow then I miss the oppotunity to put the boot down on the sweetest piece of road this country has seen!


  • #90
    ShayK1
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    ahha


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  • #91
    wheres me jumpa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭wheres me jumpa


    ShayK1 wrote: »
    ahha

    Indeed, I want motorway and lots of it!


  • #92
    homerhop
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    Ah but if you turn off at the high cross inn you can still cut across the back roads and come out 100 yards on the carlow side of where you take the roundabout off the bypass to come into castledermot


  • #93
    road_high
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    homerhop wrote: »
    Ah but if you turn off at the high cross inn you can still cut across the back roads and come out 100 yards on the carlow side of where you take the roundabout off the bypass to come into castledermot

    ...hardly the same now as whizzing by at 120 kmh on safe wide motorway.


  • #94
    homerhop
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    mfitzy wrote: »
    ...hardly the same now as whizzing by at 120 kmh on safe wide motorway.

    Lets see now, I have said you turn off at the High Cross Inn to avoid Castledermot when the traffic is backed up and it can brings you 100 yards from where you have to get onto the motorway when you go through Castledermot.


  • #95
    road_high
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    homerhop wrote: »
    Lets see now, I have said you turn off at the High Cross Inn to avoid Castledermot when the traffic is backed up and it can brings you 100 yards from where you have to get onto the motorway when you go through Castledermot.

    My apologies, I mis read your post...I thought you were talking about after the motorway opens for some reason ;), i'm a bit slow!. That's actually a handy little short cut alright, bit crappy this time of year. Not long to wait now thankfully..


  • #96
    homerhop
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    Very handy but keep it a secret ;)


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  • #97
    SIX PACK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭SIX PACK


    I wonder will their be tolls on it ?


  • #98
    futsal
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭futsal


    Dont know about TOLLS but we will be paying for it for the rest of our lives!!!!!:D


  • #99
    road_high
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    SIX PACK wrote: »
    I wonder will their be tolls on it ?

    No, no tolls on it at all.


  • #100
    wheres me jumpa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭wheres me jumpa


    homerhop wrote: »
    Ah but if you turn off at the high cross inn you can still cut across the back roads and come out 100 yards on the carlow side of where you take the roundabout off the bypass to come into castledermot

    Interesting, I might give it a go next time out. Is it straight forward to get from the High Cross Inn to the exit?


  • #101
    ShayK1
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    wheres me jumpa wrote: »
    Interesting, I might give it a go next time out. Is it straight forward to get from the High Cross Inn to the exit?

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=N9&daddr=52.917494,-6.904392+to:Unknown+road&hl=en&geocode=FVYBKAMdYK6X_w%3B%3BFQ4EJwMdIkeX_w&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=13&via=1&sll=52.896891,-6.883106&sspn=0.050224,0.154324&ie=UTF8&ll=52.934362,-6.858902&spn=0.100361,0.308647&z=12

    I'd imagine that's the route in question.
    I don't find it logical tbh. You're gambling that the traffic going into C'dermot is moving very very slow. Unless the traffic is backed up as far as the High Cross I'd say you'd be as quick in the queue through C'dermot.

    I used to take a similar route but that took me back onto the Carlow - C'dermot road around Toughers and I was going to Carlow.


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