Sometimes all you can do is laugh

Uncle Arthur wrote: »

umm...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/17/newsid_4311000/4311459.stm

maybe you ought to stfu. one of the most tragic depressing days in irish history

I guess you missed all of the September 11th jokes/cartoons in this forum the other day.

Not funny when it hits closer to home ?

Uncle Arthur wrote: »

ireland was never hit by terrorists is what got my gander up.

I think he said foreign terrorists. If Irish people are stupid enough to blow themselves up it just proves how retarded we really are.

Plus regarding 9/11 . The public response to 9/11 and the Dublin/Monaghan bombings were quite different. 9/11 is no longer a tragic loss of life but is depicted as a unifying Americanism to support an unjust war. It is more a symbol of "somone ****ed with america and now we are going to make them pay" as opposed to "think of all the people who died, isnt it sad."

Grimes wrote: »

Plus regarding 9/11 . The public response to 9/11 and the Dublin/Monaghan bombings were quite different. 9/11 is no longer a tragic loss of life but is depicted as a unifying Americanism to support an unjust war. It is more a symbol of "somone ****ed with america and now we are going to make them pay" as opposed to "think of all the people who died, isnt it sad."

You are half right in that statement. 9-11 was a unifying moment after the Towers fell, but please don't think that any of those people were forgotten.

Coming from a family of police officers and fire fighters, it is very real to myself and my family.

Another ironic fact about 9-11 (and this thread), is that there were probably more Irish killed when the towers fell than the Dublin/Monaghan bombings.

And if you were to interview 300 Irishmen on the streets of Dublin, how many would remember the date? It happened much longer ago I will grant you, but its simply natural for people to stop thinking about these things. For the next 4 years after 9/11 its all we fcuking heard. Im sure many people simply switched off. I dont know. I wasnt in the country most of that time. But the media spin was that of fear mongering when people were just trying to get back on with their lives. How many of them honestly gave a sh!t 2 or 3 years later, and then 7 and 8 years later. Out of 300 million Americans. I couldnt tell you what month or year Katrina happened off hand either.

As for the 2004 elections, thats a clusterfcuk unto itself. The vote was close, especially in the Popular Vote. You can view the timeline here. Just 4 days before the booths opened, a new Bin Laden tape was also released. It gave Bush a sudden 6 point lead in the polls. Kerry was also weighed down by the Swift Boat controversy throughout the campaign and imo never really made a strong candidate.

lol come on overheal, even Americans can admit the majority of the people in their country don't have a clue, you can't be that naive.

Overheal wrote: »

Bit of a loaded survey with a rigged map tbh given he labeled Australia anything but Australia, among many other places on the map. I dont expect you to be able to point out South Dakota from memory either.

Hold on, so you actually think... its...NOT stupid for someone to look at a map, and see the words "North Korea" over Australia and then point to Australia when someone asks them where North Korea is? :eek: Are you really comparing one of the most recognisable continents, and probably the most recognisable country on the planet...with a state in the United States?

Jesus man, I know your american and all but...jesus..

Overheal wrote: »

but its simply natural for people to stop thinking about these things. For the next 4 years after 9/11 its all we fcuking heard. Im sure many people simply switched off. I dont know. I wasnt in the country most of that time. But the media spin was that of fear mongering when people were just trying to get back on with their lives.

Early you were daring people to show you an American that didnt know when 9/11 happened , your attitude was that it was a rare if not impossible to find. Now your making excuses as to why they wouldnt know. Bit of a U-Turn no?

& what makes it so stupid (Americans not knowing when 9/11 happened) is not only the fact that its only 1 of the biggest world events to happen in recent years, never mind just an American event, but the very fact that your country spammed about 9/11 none stop, 9/11 this 9/11 that, your country drilled it into the population and then used it as an excuse to blow up half the middle east and confuse Americans into thinking Iraq did it. Then these same people don't even know when it fecking happened. Its insanely stupid.

Never mind not even knowing the damn date.:rolleyes:

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

lol come on overheal, even Americans can admit the majority of the people in their country don't have a clue, you can't be that naive.

Hold on, so you actually think... its...NOT stupid for someone to look at a map, and see the words "North Korea" over Australia and then point to Australia when someone asks them where North Korea is? :eek: Are you really comparing one of the most recognisable continents, and probably the most recognisable country on the planet...with a state in the United States?

Jesus man, I know your american and all but...jesus..

Recognizable to whom. I could argue Europe is more easilly recognizable. Australia as a country has almost zero impact on American culture. I have every faith with a proper map they might have pulled off such a harrowing feat but when youre being deliberately mislead is a bit of a farce. So you don't know off hand where Australia is, someone names it Korea and tells you to find Korea....
Similarly some people earlier in this thread failed to accurately cite on more than one occassion how many US states there are. Not something I hold against them. And I dont go around asking them to name all 52 states like an asshole either. I mean after all we are the most Recognizable World Leader :rolleyes: give me a break. Im not personally that fcuking vain and I dont give a **** how little you know about us (except of course when you are making these blatant attacks about my inferred intelligence)

Early you were daring people to show you an American that didnt know when 9/11 happened , your attitude was that it was a rare if not impossible to find.

I never said that. I asked for proof, and got a youtube video in return.

Now your making excuses as to why they wouldnt know. Bit of a U-Turn no?

Im not so stubborn as to not consider opposition. Dont be daft. Its fallacy to claim for 300 million Americans that we all rmember the date. However my own opinion is the number who dont know will be much less than this thread would lead us to believe. I apologize for any naivety in which I might have implied 0.00% of americans fail to remember September 11, 2001.

Anyway I was merely filling out my own counterpoint about the monoghan (sp?) bombings. So far we've proven 7 people don't know out of 300 million. As I've explained, I can see how that might have happened. That 7 people (though lets be very generous and call it 1% of the adult population, ~2.5 million) will have forgotten the date. How many of us remember the date of the terrorist attack that happened in london a couple years ago? I think it was 06? July? Couldnt tell you the day. Despite the significance of days in History (the fall of the Berlin Wall, Pearl Harbor, the Bomb Drops, D-Day, Landing on the Moon) These dates depreciate from common memory over time begining from the time they happen.

& what makes it so stupid (Americans not knowing when 9/11 happened) is not only the fact that its only 1 of the biggest world events to happen in recent years, never mind just an American event, but the very fact that your country spammed about 9/11 none stop, 9/11 this 9/11 that, your country drilled it into the population and then used it as an excuse to blow up half the middle east and confuse Americans into thinking Iraq did it. Then these same people don't even know when it fecking happened. Its insanely stupid.

Never mind not even knowing the damn date.:rolleyes:

I've explained the rationale above. The event itself was important. The date not so much. I dont think personally it still has the same importance today.

the majority of the people in their country don't have a clue

Thats the kind of negative karma thats pissing me off in this thread. Try to get your head out of your ass for a minute and admit that on the whole, thats outright bs. Youre making a sweeping statement that over 50% of all americans have no idea wtf is going on. If you want to support that statement I expect you to do so with a survey of 300 million americans where 51% of them reportedly, have no clue. Otherwise, Im done here.

Deep Breaths Cunny.

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

How can you look at an unmarked map/globe and not see Australia as being one of, if not the most recognisable countries on the planet...how?

Well if the globe is unmarked, the technically its a landmass. Not a country. I still have an easier time distinguishing Europe however.

I can't believe you are defending these people.

I can't believe you're attacking them. Why?

Similarly? Similarly????? That doesnt come CLOSE to comparing. Maybe if said person couldnt point out where the USA was on a map. And pointed to Africa cause USA was written over it....


Maybe if they couldn't name the current president of the US.

Ok then: similarly to that. But that still supports my argument.

What???????? The DATE is part of the NAME!!!!!!! Hell the date IS the name. He asked the month and the day of the 9/11 attacks and they couldnt get it. Theres no excuse, NONE!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number#North_America

And you still need to reread my last post and clarify your sweeping statement. Or again, I'm done here beyond this point.

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2004/election_results.html

You clearly failed to understand the question as 61 million voters is not representative of the majority of the 300 million strong American population. It is also not a conclusion of them having no clue.