Being an Atheist in Ireland is a Cnut

ShooterSF · 07-04-2009 05:02PM

GA361 wrote: »

I agree,I guess a Christian will never notice a pushy Christian as much as an atheist would,whilst an atheist will never notice a pushy atheist as much as a Christian would.Thats a bit of a long sentence,but co-herent none-the-less.
There are loads of parts of the Bible that are just made up.I am well aware of this,but,I still believe in God.
Remember Evolution and creationism are both just theories.I personally find creationism to be a bit of a crock but I still pray every night and Believe. . .
Tis amazing where you can get inspiration for Belief.Derek Walcott's poetry for instance.In a poem that he wrote,about his father who died as a young man,he expresses his belief.A religious old woman writes to him praising his father.This human decency ultimately restores his belief in all the good on this earthly planet,and in God-

''So this old lady writes,and again I believe.
I believe it all,and for no man's death I grieve.''

See and I say this with all respect to you, you leave yourself open to a multitude of questions from someone like myself who can't "get" your way of thinking. It doesnt mean I think your any less a person though.

For example from my point of view you believe in a god but no specific one, that you mention atleast as you do not agree with christian teachings (as far as I can see) So is it a similar god? And by any chance is he similar to the ones your parents believed in?

Also why can't human decency not just restore your faith in humanity with out it needing some "higher-power". Maybe we are just decent people. You dont loose faith in your god when bad things happen do you?

Other than that what makes you believe? What makes you believe in said gods characteristics? Are you comfortable with the idea that there may not be a god? How would finding out there wasn't one affect you?

Sorry if that's long winded. I do this to religious friends but only cause I don't understand their train of thought...

chop86 · 07-04-2009 05:03PM

asdasd wrote: »

So are people who believe in Astrology. And Hippies. Hippies are dumb. And sociology lecturers.

Still, being an adult means not always pointing this out.

And thats how religion has been getting away with it for centuries, the bright and the rational all see religon as dumb but dont speak up. Thankfully we have the likes of dawkins and hitchens, they dont stand for ignorance.

GA361 · 07-04-2009 05:04PM

Calibos wrote: »

A scientific theory is as good as proven fact.

I'm afraid you are wrong there boyo.
A theory is a theory is a theory (i.e not a fact).
Look up Dalton's Atomic theory and get back to me.Ha Ha.

ShooterSF · 07-04-2009 05:07PM

GA361 wrote: »

I'm afraid you are wrong there boyo.
A theory is a theory is a theory (i.e not a fact).
Look up Dalton's Atomic theory and get back to me.Ha Ha.

No the guy is right in his explantion of scientific "theory". For example gravity is just a theory. Fancy testing it though?

chop86 · 07-04-2009 05:07PM

GA361 wrote: »

I'm afraid you are wrong there boyo.
A theory is a theory is a theory (i.e not a fact).
Look up Dalton's Atomic theory and get back to me.Ha Ha.

There goes the world, electronics is now bull everybody. The theory of electromagnetism is no longer fact and has worked only up till now as a fluke...........!!??!!?? nonsense, theory of evolution is fact.

Sam Vimes · 07-04-2009 05:09PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

When you see some atheist posters (not saying you or all of the athiest posters) calling people who believe in a god retards/stupid etc it sort of looks that way.

People get into heated discussions on thousands of different topics on boards but any time a discussion on atheism comes up it's "those arrogant militant atheists who force their opinions on everyone" (not that you're saying that, just in general)

imo it's just a cop out. People can't prove the atheists wrong so instead they dismiss them as arrogant and argumentative. Really people wish atheists would just shut up* and let them keep fooling themselves.

In this thread Jakkass has even gone as far as ignoring everything I post. He says it's because I'm hard hearted, because I think I have Christianity sussed out and because I'm not prepared to listen but imo it's because I'm pointing out large flaws in his arguments and asking legitimate questions that he doesn't have the answers to. He'd jump at the chance to shoot down everything I'm saying because he's trying to convince people of God's existence here but he can't so instead he dismisses me as hard hearted. Sorry Jakkass, you're a nice guy but that's the way I sees it

*A direct quote from Fox news

GA361 · 07-04-2009 05:14PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

See and I say this with all respect to you, you leave yourself open to a multitude of questions from someone like myself who can't "get" your way of thinking. It doesnt mean I think your any less a person though.

For example from my point of view you believe in a god but no specific one, that you mention atleast as you do not agree with christian teachings (as far as I can see) So is it a similar god? And by any chance is he similar to the ones your parents believed in?

Also why can't human decency not just restore your faith in humanity with out it needing some "higher-power". Maybe we are just decent people. You dont loose faith in your god when bad things happen do you?

Other than that what makes you believe? What makes you believe in said gods characteristics? Are you comfortable with the idea that there may not be a god? How would finding out there wasn't one affect you?

Sorry if that's long winded. I do this to religious friends but only cause I don't understand their train of thought...

I said that there were some aspects of Christianity that I don't believe.The main one being creationism.But that doesn't mean that Catholiscism is not my true faith.I know not one practicing Catholic who believes in creationism.
All you have to do is go to mass on Sunday and you will see the benefit of the Church in the community.It creates such a communal(not sure if this is correct word) feeling-Tea in the Local hall etc. .
Alot,i suppose depends on the priest.If you have some boring old fart then mass would probably bore you.
But in my Parish the priest in funny,always telling amusing anecdotes.

GA361 · 07-04-2009 05:17PM

chop86 wrote: »

There goes the world, electronics is now bull everybody. The theory of electromagnetism is no longer fact and has worked only up till now as a fluke...........!!??!!?? nonsense, theory of evolution is fact.

Electronics were'nt around in 1808!

chop86 · 07-04-2009 05:19PM

GA361 wrote: »

Electronics were'nt around in 1808!

so?????? your point???

Calibos · 07-04-2009 05:19PM

GA361 wrote: »

I'm afraid you are wrong there boyo.
A theory is a theory is a theory (i.e not a fact).
Look up Dalton's Atomic theory and get back to me.Ha Ha.

You are so right. The only reason I still get in a plane is that my mistrust of the Theory of aeronautics is counterbalanced by my mistrust in the theory of gravity. All is well with the world :rolleyes:

ShooterSF · 07-04-2009 05:20PM

GA361 wrote: »

I'm afraid you are wrong there boyo.
A theory is a theory is a theory (i.e not a fact).
Look up Dalton's Atomic theory and get back to me.Ha Ha.

May I also add to this as that you had concern of atheists looking down at "believers" or being arrogant. Well your post here will loose you a lot more respect that believing in a god. The guy explained the difference in "theory" but you just laughed it off without researching it or acknowledging it's truth. That is when you find the lack of respect kicks in.
The fact that you also believe in a god now puts you as one more blind religious believer who will happily claim black is white if it supports their belief I have met and makes it tougher to keep an open mind to the next religious person I meet.

Calibos · 07-04-2009 05:21PM

OMG!! Thats how I slipped into atheism! It wasn't rational thought, it was because I didn't have a nice church and a funny priest!!

ShooterSF · 07-04-2009 05:25PM

GA361 wrote: »

I said that there were some aspects of Christianity that I don't believe.The main one being creationism.But that doesn't mean that Catholiscism is not my true faith.I know not one practicing Catholic who believes in creationism.
All you have to do is go to mass on Sunday and you will see the benefit of the Church in the community.It creates such a communal(not sure if this is correct word) feeling-Tea in the Local hall etc. .
Alot,i suppose depends on the priest.If you have some boring old fart then mass would probably bore you.
But in my Parish the priest in funny,always telling amusing anecdotes.

But ... but the catholic god is set out by the church. You don't get to pick and choose what parts of him you believe in without having a different god.
Also were your parent's catholic?
I do agree community is a fantastic thing but it doesnt give reason to believe in a god nor does a comedian telling you there is one.

Again... Do you accept that a god may or may not exist? And how would finding out one didn't affect you?

Sam Vimes · 07-04-2009 05:25PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

May I also add to this as that you had concern of atheists looking down at "believers" or being arrogant. Well your post here will loose you a lot more respect that believing in a god.
...

I'm out of thanks for the day so +1

JC 2K3 · 07-04-2009 05:31PM

GA361 wrote: »

I'm afraid you are wrong there boyo.
A theory is a theory is a theory (i.e not a fact).
Look up Dalton's Atomic theory and get back to me.Ha Ha.

Creationism is not a theory.

GA361 · 07-04-2009 05:36PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

May I also add to this as that you had concern of atheists looking down at "believers" or being arrogant. Well your post here will loose you a lot more respect that believing in a god. The guy explained the difference in "theory" but you just laughed it off without researching it or acknowledging it's truth. That is when you find the lack of respect kicks in.
The fact that you also believe in a god now puts you as one more blind religious believer who will happily claim black is white if it supports their belief I have met and makes it tougher to keep an open mind to the next religious person I meet.

I agreed with your man about Creationalism being illogical.But I pointed out that although Evolution is the most logical it was still a scientific theory,which is probably accurate for the most part but needs some adjustments.He was cussin' over a word,a manner of speach,if you will.He did this for no apparent reason . . . That is arrogant.
I pointed out Dalton's atomic theory yet he refused to accept my arguement.Under Dalton's atomic theory only atoms can exist,if this were true,life,as we know it could not exist.His theory was taken as fact for decades despite Avagadros belief in the existance of molecules(which turned out to be the case).
So now do you see how you can never treat a theory as being 100 pc fact?Chop and Calibos obviously just have a problem with the wording,not the content.

My name is URL · 07-04-2009 05:36PM

A theory in the wrong hands, becomes a device

GA361 · 07-04-2009 05:38PM

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Creationism is not a theory.

I suppose you,an Atheist,believe that it's only a myth?

Sam Vimes · 07-04-2009 05:41PM

GA361 wrote: »

He was cussin' over a word,a manner of speach,if you will.He did this for no apparent reason . . . That is arrogant.

No it's not

He was "cussin'" over a word because it was a very important word that defined the meaning of the sentence. Pretty much everything in science is called a theory so your point was no more valid than "gravity's just a theory"

Sam Vimes · 07-04-2009 05:42PM

GA361 wrote: »

I suppose you,an Atheist,believe that it's only a myth?

Well theories usually have something to back them up, some kind of evidence or indication. Creationism goes against all known science and all forms of logic

GA361 · 07-04-2009 05:44PM

I can keep postin till the cows come home.I'll never get through to you.I can't believe how ignorant alot of you are.Every theory has had its flaws.Whether they be major or minor.

chop86 · 07-04-2009 05:44PM

As far as i can see wording is content. "Theory is just a theory, is not fact." The wording not being the issue but the content.
Just to clear this up finally:

Theory, hypothesis are used in non-technical contexts to mean an untested idea or opinion.
A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena: the theory of relativity.

When refering to the theory of evolution, it is a verified scientific fact.

GA361 · 07-04-2009 05:46PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Well theories usually have something to back them up, some kind of evidence or indication. Creationism goes against all known science and all forms of logic

Primary sources=Best historical evidence possible.

Sam Vimes · 07-04-2009 05:46PM

GA361 wrote: »

I can keep postin till the cows come home.I'll never get through to you.I can't believe how ignorant alot of you are.Every theory has had its flaws.Whether they be major or minor.

I thought you yourself were dismissing creationism?

Here's a theory for you:

hypothesis:
You are a goat.

Experiment:
Read this book I wrote that says you're a goat

Conclusion:
Hypothesis proven

That's a theory......in theory

Sam Vimes · 07-04-2009 05:47PM

GA361 wrote: »

Primary sources=Best historical evidence possible.

Primary sources are ones written by the people who were actually there no?

Do we have books by Adam and Eve?

GA361 · 07-04-2009 05:49PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Primary sources are ones written by the people who were actually there no?

Do we have books by Adam and Eve?

Not necessarily

Sam Vimes · 07-04-2009 05:50PM

GA361 wrote: »

Not necessarily

Then why mention primary sources? There are none for creationism...

chop86 · 07-04-2009 05:54PM

GA361 wrote: »

Primary sources=Best historical evidence possible.

Primary sources= a firsthand or eyewitness account of an event. The bible cant be a primary source as evidence for creationism, as it was written some 6000/8000 years after the supposed creation of the universe. The only "good book" you should be reading is a dictionary, the meaning of certain terms are going straight over your head!

ShooterSF · 07-04-2009 05:54PM

GA361 wrote: »

I can keep postin till the cows come home.I'll never get through to you.I can't believe how ignorant alot of you are.Every theory has had its flaws.Whether they be major or minor.

To an extent you have hit it on the head. Though in science theories are tested, challenged, studied and updated as needed creationism relies on one source and refuses to change against plenty of other evidence e.g evolution. Creationism therefore is not a theory in, wait for it, the scientific meaning of the word theory.

GA361 · 07-04-2009 05:55PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Then why mention primary sources? There are none for creationism...

Your starting to put me in bad humour.But don't worry I forgive as I am a Christian.

Being an Atheist in Ireland is a Cnut

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