Deportation case mother had fake baby death papers, inquiry told

Sleipnir · 27-03-2009 11:55AM

dontcallmecrazy wrote: »

no, but i do have a vagina so i can appreciate where she is coming from on this one, i like mine the way it is and i sure as hell know that if some dude was gonna come at me with a rusty blade de-sex me and sew me up so that my husband could enjoy sex i'd be a bit pissed of too.

this poor woman is being ganged up on and silenced by her own country so they can avoid having to face up to the fact that this is barbaric thing to be carrying on with.

But she lied about it, in court, falsified documentation, possibly destroyed and at the very least damaged the career and reputation of a doctor in a country which badly needs them. Even you now are questioning the veracity of the doctor's own statements regarding his signature being forged?

She's done the whole anti-FGM camp a huge dis-service because now, when a genuine case of it is presented, it will immediately come under suspicious. How can that be a good thing?

How can you possible defend your position?

Terry · 27-03-2009 11:58AM

Closed temporarily.
It will be re-opened once I check out some stuff and wake up properly.

Do not start another thread on this subject.

Terry · 27-03-2009 12:32PM

Ok. Re-opened.
This is still being disputed in the courts and will most likely end up in the ECHR.

Do not state something as fact if it is only your opinion.
Doing so may get you banned and will just be a waste of my time and yours because I'll delete the post too.

Look at the article before posting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvMuoq_bwRY

Irlbo · 27-03-2009 12:40PM

We are currently in dire straits,and need to start looking after our own,send this useless lying parasite back to her own native country,we havent the time or money to be carrying her ar*e now

Nodin · 27-03-2009 12:45PM

Degsy wrote: »

Well raise it somewhere else...its a con job because nobody beleives the cock and bull stories about persecution,stoning bla blah blah.

I fail to see where you're going with that. It does happen, it just may not have happened in this instance. The fact that somebody lied doesn't change the facts.

Zadkiel · 27-03-2009 12:46PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

True.

How far out is International waters and can ryanair carry a raft and oar?

12 miles iirc...open to correction

Rented Mule · 27-03-2009 12:47PM

Nodin wrote: »

I fail to see where you're going with that. It does happen, it just may not have happened in this instance. The fact that somebody lied doesn't change the facts.

Uhm.....lying about the facts does just that.

Terry · 27-03-2009 12:53PM

Irlbo wrote: »

We are currently in dire straits,and need to start looking after our own,send this useless lying parasite back to her own native country,we havent the time or money to be carrying her ar*e now

What part of Do not state something as fact if it is only your opinion did you not get?

Only one person claimed she lied. Just one. This does not give anyone the right to call her a liar here.

Now before people start getting all antsy and calling me a bleeding heart liberal, I couldn't give a flying **** about this woman. I don't care if she stays or goes. It doesn't affect me in any measurable way.
As for taxes, those parasitical solicitors will just find another way to bleed the system when this case is over.

Irlbo · 27-03-2009 12:57PM

Nodin wrote: »

I fail to see where you're going with that. It does happen, it just may not have happened in this instance. The fact that somebody lied doesn't change the facts.

That is Nigeria,they are an independant well established country with is own government and institutions,its their problem,not Irelands,could I go to Nigeria and claim asylum because of the recession in Ireland,I doubt it.................................Im sorry and call me a racist if you wish,but in general I find the majority Nigerians a very brash,rude,shady and devious race of people and do nothing to advance the progression of this country,there would be a big smile on my face if they all disappeared back to Nigeria tommorow

stevoman · 27-03-2009 12:58PM

dontcallmecrazy wrote: »

no, but i do have a vagina

hey, fancy a drink sometime???

thebman · 27-03-2009 01:01PM

WindSock wrote: »

I couldn't give a **** about my taxes being 'wasted' if it raises the issue of genital mutilation.

I'd rather the money was spent highlighting the issue TBH.

Woman is a liar and a thief (robbing tax payers) and that is wrong. She has done more damage than good "raising the issue" as now people will wonder who else we should be deporting.

Boskowski · 27-03-2009 01:05PM

irishgrover wrote: »

what personally annoys me about this is not her or her family but the uselessness of the whole system.
The Dublin convention is obviously not worth a sh!te. If it were of any use I would assume that >70% of asylum seekers could be deported within hours. Thereafter the fact that the initial decision can take years, followed by many more years of appears is pure daft.
I have no problem with economic emigrants, nor with asylum seekers, and I even understand economic emigrants pretending (lying) to be asylum seekers. I equally have no problem with them being efficiently assessed and deported.
However, the reality is that is takes years for the authorities to process applicants, and then years more for appeals etc. So by that time a decision is made these bogus asylum seekers have embedded themselves in the community and more importantly often have school going children who know no other country than Ireland. It aggravates me that this government ineptitude creates a situation where people who clearly should have been kicked out within 10 minutes of arrival are here for years. the consequence of which is untold stress and trauma for children who have known nothing but Ireland for as long as they can remember.....

I second that, but really it's the parents fault to put their children into that position in the first place. Not only do they place their children into an environment they themselves can't be sure they are going to last in, they also use their children in order to extend their stay or increase their chances for a stay. I mean the parents know about this drawn out process and they actually bank on it, thinking that every single day they stay longer will increase their chances for permanent residency. Well knowing it may or may not work out. Not what you would call responsible parenting.

Kinetic^ · 27-03-2009 01:05PM

What a sham,send her packing.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 27-03-2009 01:07PM

Irlbo wrote: »

That is Nigeria,they are an independant well established country with is own government and institutions,its their problem,not Irelands,could I go to Nigeria and claim asylum because of the recession in Ireland,I doubt it.................................Im sorry and call me a racist if you wish,but in general I find the majority Nigerians a very brash,rude,shady and devious race of people and do nothing to advance the progression of this country,there would be a big smile on my face if they all disappeared back to Nigeria tommorow

Could you tell apart someone from Nigeria and any other african country? Doubt it really... You also don't know what assylum is. I sence a lot of racism in here...

I hear directly from the interviewers mouth about what happened. How am I to prove it is fact? I don't know, must it be printed in some crappy tabloid? Can I refer to a radio talk show?

If so, then you people wanting her out don't have the whole story. The documents have not been studied in detail yet, so nobody, and I mean nobody but the doctor and this mother actually know the truth. We will hear in due time, until then keep your racist remarks to yourselves

marcsignal · 27-03-2009 01:13PM

I wonder what the Mayor of Sligo will have to say about this, not to mention Fine Gael & Roddy Doyle.

I also wonder will the PC brigade finally accept, that it is neccessary, and not racist, to dig a little deeper into the 'stories' told by people claiming asylum, so that chancers can be weeded out, and genuine cases can be treated with the dignity they deserve.

WindSock · 27-03-2009 01:15PM

stevoman wrote: »

hey, fancy a drink sometime???

Are you saying that to her or her vagina?

thebman wrote: »

I'd rather the money was spent highlighting the issue TBH.

The issue can't have been highlighted any greater than through a controversial courtcase. It has every tom mary and anto talking about it. Thats a good thing. She didn't win the case but I am glad everyone in this country is now aware of the barbaric horrors that prevail for so many young girls Africa.

Nodin · 27-03-2009 01:16PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

Uhm.....lying about the facts does just that.

No, you're again transferring from the specific to the general. If a woman appears saying that she's been raped and is found to have lied, that does not mean rape does not occur, just that it hasn't occured in that instance. Likewise if a number of Nigerians have acted in a certain way, it doesnt mean all Nigerians will act similarily.

SEPT 23 1989 · 27-03-2009 01:18PM

Nodin wrote: »

No, you're again transferring from the specific to the general. If a woman appears saying that she's been raped and is found to have lied, that does not mean rape does not occur, just that it hasn't occured in that instance. Likewise if a number of Nigerians have acted in a certain way, it doesnt mean all Nigerians will act similarily.

if this is true it could really drag the good name of Nigeria and its people into the gutter

Nodin · 27-03-2009 01:18PM

WindSock wrote: »

Are you saying that to her or her vagina?

I'd say its the latter. No point mucking round with the monkey when the Organ grinder is to hand....

biko · 27-03-2009 01:20PM

We'll see what the courts make off this. Hopefully it'll be the end of it, it's cost us too much already and it's not like she'll be able to pay it back.
I would love for more fake asylum seekers to be deported, it would restore faith in the real ones.
For instance, to this day I don't understand why any Nigerians are in Ireland, there is no war on and so forth (another discussion I know).

Irlbo · 27-03-2009 01:22PM

Jude Easy Zipper wrote: »

Could you tell apart someone from Nigeria and any other african country? Doubt it really... You also don't know what assylum is. I sence a lot of racism in here...

I hear directly from the interviewers mouth about what happened. How am I to prove it is fact? I don't know, must it be printed in some crappy tabloid? Can I refer to a radio talk show?

If so, then you people wanting her out don't have the whole story. The documents have not been studied in detail yet, so nobody, and I mean nobody but the doctor and this mother actually know the truth. We will hear in due time, until then keep your racist remarks to yourselves

How am I racist?,did I comment on the colour of the skin?,did I make any statement regarding their culture and traditions?,no I didnt,this would constituite me a racist,what I did was outline my experienced of Nigerians(and yes I can make a distinction between Nigerians and other black people),and I have a fair idea what asylum is,I have worked in this field before,........................see what your doing is the typical lefty bleeding heart bit,if someone makes a point critising immigration your automatic rebuttal is to call them a racist,its really quiet petty,wake up and get real,the vast majority of Nigerians are here to milk this country and give nothing back,if you think otherwise I feel sorry for you

marcsignal · 27-03-2009 01:24PM

Magnus wrote: »

it's not like she'll be able to pay it back.

she comes from a wealthy family in Nigeria. She drove a Mercedes SUV and had a house maid there, so she could afford to refund the Irish taxpayer for her own legal expences, if she was so inclined, after all, that would be the honest, decent thing to do.

Boskowski · 27-03-2009 01:25PM

Irlbo wrote: »

... call me a racist if you wish,but in general I find the majority Nigerians a very brash,rude,shady and devious race of people ...

Sorry, but that's what you would call racist alright. And you anticipated it even.

Wagon · 27-03-2009 01:25PM

WindSock wrote: »

The issue can't have been highlighted any greater than through a controversial courtcase. It has every tom mary and anto talking about it. Thats a good thing. She didn't win the case but I am glad everyone in this country is now aware of the barbaric horrors that prevail for so many young girls Africa.

I'm not being bad about it but what can we do that's useful? The only people who can change the practice are the onces who are in power. in Africa. Now im all up for getting a load of lads and me armed and go in guns blazing cos I recently finished Far Cry 2 and want it to continue cos it was great, but realistically what can we do beyond raising awareness?

Homer · 27-03-2009 01:31PM

Wagon wrote: »

I'm not being bad about it but what can we do that's useful? The only people who can change the practice are the onces who are in power. in Africa. Now im all up for getting a load of lads and me armed and go in guns blazing cos I recently finished Far Cry 2 and want it to continue cos it was great, but realistically what can we do beyond raising awareness?

Civil war anyone? I bags being on the southern side when it kicks off

Could do with some help around the house.

biko · 27-03-2009 01:34PM

The curious case of Pamela Izevbekhai
Is saving her girls the real reason for this mother’s campaign?

Since January 2006 her legal team, working on a pro bono basis, have appeared before High Court judges at least nine times

The spokesman also emphasised that Izevbekhai, who worked as a bank official, was “well-off” in Nigeria and has not benefited financially from living in “dreary, wet Ireland on €19 a week”.

Kemafo Nonyerem Chikwe, the Nigerian ambassador in Ireland, is frustrated that Irish people now consider Nigeria a “barbaric country” because of the fears of FGM raised by the case. “It is blatantly untrue that anything would happen to her and her children if they went back to Nigeria,” she said. “Her husband was stopped at the border and was arrested coming into Ireland. What more evidence do you want about her motives?”

Chikwe said she believes Izevbekhai came to Ireland searching for “greener pastures” and demands documentary evidence that Elizabeth Izevbekhai died as a result of a botched FGM procedure in 1994. “Many Nigerians call me to ask: ‘What are you doing about this? This woman is disparaging Nigeria and is being selfish’,” she claimed.

The ambassador said the money the Irish state has spent on defending Izevbekhai’s legal actions could have funded research into her claims in Nigeria. “If we find that she is telling the truth and it’s an isolated case, then we will make Nigeria safe for her,” Chikwe said. “I will personally request an advocacy group, a respectable [non-governmental organisation], to help her if she can prove it.”

Izevbekhai’s lawyers completely reject all the ambassador’s assertions and say medical records from the hospital where Elizabeth Izevbekhai died have been presented to the Irish courts and the manner of her death has not been an issue.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article5627486.ece

tbh · 27-03-2009 01:36PM

Irlbo wrote: »

How am I racist?,did I comment on the colour of the skin?,did I make any statement regarding their culture and traditions?,no I didnt,this would constituite me a racist,what I did was outline my experienced of Nigerians(and yes I can make a distinction between Nigerians and other black people),and I have a fair idea what asylum is,I have worked in this field before,........................see what your doing is the typical lefty bleeding heart bit,if someone makes a point critising immigration your automatic rebuttal is to call them a racist,its really quiet petty,wake up and get real,the vast majority of Nigerians are here to milk this country and give nothing back,if you think otherwise I feel sorry for you

I wouldn't say you are racist, exactly, but you are guilty of what is known as a lazy generalisation. You may have experienced a fair number of Nigerians, and had bad experiences with all of them, but you have a duty as a right-minded person to still treat every case as if it were your first. It's hard to do that, but it's important. That's why not doing it is classed as lazy.

The vast majority - as you say - of Nigerians in this country are not giving nothing back. I see loads of African businesses, taxi-drivers etc etc. They are here and they are working, and they have as much right to do that as anyone else. They deserve the same respect for that as anyone else. What you are doing is dismissing the entire efforts of a generally hard-working and decent community, based on the actions of a percentage of them, and that's not fair. It's not what a decent person does, and I used to think, given our experiences, it's not what a patriotic Irish person does.

Of course, you can make the argument that it's patriotic to defend your country from spongers, but the system is slow because the Irish government recognise and accept their obligation to investigate each case from a starting presumption of innocence, and a desire to establish the full facts of the case. It's not the easier option, and in cases like this it's usually unpopular, but it's the right thing to do, imo anyway. What it boils down to is this. A straight choice:

Deserving cases get rejected due to the risk of letting undeserving cases through

or

Undeserving cases get through due to the risk of turning away deserving cases.

My opinion is that, as humans, we have an obligation to pick the second choice. Sometimes, undeserving cases get through, but that's an acceptable price to pay for the greater good. imo

Degsy · 27-03-2009 01:39PM

Jude Easy Zipper wrote: »

Could you tell apart someone from Nigeria and any other african country? Doubt it really... You also don't know what assylum is. I sence a lot of racism in here...

I hear directly from the interviewers mouth about what happened. How am I to prove it is fact? I don't know, must it be printed in some crappy tabloid? Can I refer to a radio talk show?

If so, then you people wanting her out don't have the whole story. The documents have not been studied in detail yet, so nobody, and I mean nobody but the doctor and this mother actually know the truth. We will hear in due time, until then keep your racist remarks to yourselves

Here we go again.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

It is one of racism.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
That is the word most used by certain people when they're not happy with the way thier argument is going.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Typical lefty rubbish.

Terry · 27-03-2009 01:39PM

WindSock wrote: »

Are you saying that to her or her vagina?

I thought he was talking to her mingey. :winking smilie face:

Magnus wrote: »

We'll see what the courts make off this. Hopefully it'll be the end of it, it's cost us too much already and it's not like she'll be able to pay it back.
I would love for more fake asylum seekers to be deported, it would restore faith in the real ones.
For instance, to this day I don't understand why any Nigerians are in Ireland, there is no war on and so forth (another discussion I know).

Economic asylum.

Irlbo wrote: »

How am I racist?,did I comment on the colour of the skin?,did I make any statement regarding their culture and traditions?,no I didnt,this would constituite me a racist,what I did was outline my experienced of Nigerians(and yes I can make a distinction between Nigerians and other black people),and I have a fair idea what asylum is,I have worked in this field before,........................see what your doing is the typical lefty bleeding heart bit,if someone makes a point critising immigration your automatic rebuttal is to call them a racist,its really quiet petty,wake up and get real,the vast majority of Nigerians are here to milk this country and give nothing back,if you think otherwise I feel sorry for you

He didn't call you racist. Had he called you racist he would now be banned.

marcsignal wrote: »

she comes from a wealthy family in Nigeria. She drove a Mercedes SUV and had a house maid there, so she could afford to refund the Irish taxpayer for her own legal expences, if she was so inclined, after all, that would be the honest, decent thing to do.

Why the **** isn't she paying her own legal costs then?

WindSock · 27-03-2009 01:42PM

Irlbo wrote: »

How am I racist?,did I comment on the colour of the skin?,did I make any statement regarding their culture and traditions?,

Irlbo wrote: »

Im sorry and call me a racist if you wish,but in general I find the majority Nigerians a very brash,rude,shady and devious race of people and do nothing to advance the progression of this country,there would be a big smile on my face if they all disappeared back to Nigeria tommorow

Nothing to do with the colour of their skin but singling out a whole nation of people and tarring them all with the one brush and hoping they all feck off would be what I construe as racism.

Deportation case mother had fake baby death papers, inquiry told

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