Deportation case mother had fake baby death papers, inquiry told

Dublin1600

So its been revealed that this woman Pamela Izevbekhai who never give birth to a daughter she claim died of female genital mutilation. The Irish embassy in Nigeria confirms, "that the registry of deaths in the Surulere district in Lagos for 1994 showed only 55 entries but the certificate produced for Elizabeth Izevbekhai was entered as number 56". A Nigerian obstetrician has dismissed a document, allegedly signed by him, as a forgery. He also rejected Mrs Izevbekhai's claim that she gave birth to a daughter, Elizabeth, in February 1993 and that the girl died on July 16, 1994, following female genital mutilation. How much of our tax was wasted on this woman in countless appeals. This is absolutely disgusting.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/deportation-case-mother-had-fake-baby-death-papers-inquiry-told-1688446.html

By Tom Brady Security Editor

Friday March 27 2009

A NIGERIAN woman who is facing deportation used forged documentation to back up claims that her first child died after being subjected to female genital mutilation, a garda investigation has been told.

Inquiries by the garda national immigration unit in Nigeria have uncovered apparent discrepancies in the case presented by Pamela Izevbekhai to the High Court and Supreme Court in Dublin and to the European Court of Human Rights.

A Nigerian obstetrician has dismissed a document, allegedly signed by him, as a forgery. He also rejected Mrs Izevbekhai's claim that she gave birth to a daughter, Elizabeth, in February 1993 and that the girl died on July 16, 1994, following female genital mutilation.

The findings represent a potentially serious blow to the prospects of Mrs Izevbekhai overturning a Supreme Court decision supporting her deportation in her appeal to the European Court of Human Rights.

Consultant

In an affidavit lodged with the European Court in Strasbourg, consultant obstetrician and gynaecologist Dr Joseph Unokanjo, who practises at Isioma Hospital, in Lagos, says he can confirm that no baby called Elizabeth Izevbekhai was delivered by him at the hospital and no baby of that name has ever been treated by him for any ailment, including post-circumcision complications. Gar- dai were also told there is no evidence of Elizabeth's death at the registry of deaths in Lagos, although a death certificate was presented to the Irish courts on behalf of Mrs Izevbekhai.

Dr Unokanjo says he did not sign an affidavit purported to have been sworn by him on March 9, 2006, and did not issue a certificate of cause of death, which purported to come from Isioma hospital on July 17, 1994. Confirming the signatures are not his, he also says he is incorrectly described on that affidavit as a surgeon, and that the hospital stamp and hospital address are false. He emphasises the purported affidavit was not made by him and says he believes it is a forgery.

Dr Unokanjo has practised at Isioma hospital since 1992, when it was founded, and is a medical director there.

He says Pamela Izevbekhai was his patient before she married and at the time was known as Enitan West, and after her marriage as Enitan Izevbekhai.

Dr Unokanjo also says Mrs Izevbekhai had her first baby at Isioma Hospital in 2000. He was her attending doctor and he could confirm that it was her first child.

Asylum

He recalled that Pamela Enitan Izevbekhai telephoned him some years ago requesting him to issue a death certificate in respect of a dead child to enable her to be given asylum in the Republic of Ireland. He told her he did not involve himself in such activities, particularly since he was aware that she neither had a baby before 1999, and nor had she lost a baby.

Dr Unokanjo also states the alleged medical certificate of the 'cause of death' is a forgery.

Paul McHenry, third secretary at the Irish Embassy in Abuja, Nigeria, describes how he had been shown that the registry of deaths in the Surulere district in Lagos for 1994 showed only 55 entries but the certificate produced for Elizabeth Izevbekhai was entered as number 56.

- Tom Brady Security Editor

Rented Mule

Does the article state if she needs a lift to the airport or not ?

Degsy

As i've said before this whole geniatl mutilation thing is a con-job.
Nobody has it done without the mothers consent so anybody who uses it as an excuse to avoid deportation is a liar.

Why is she still here?The lefty,busybody,know-nothing Irish Pc brigade have fought her corner even though she's costing THEM money with her bullshiit appeals.
Throw her and her brood out of the country and the wanky apologists along with her.

Rented Mule

How bad of a day are oyu having when you falsify a document and number it as #56 and then it turns out that there were only 55 done all year ?

That's being 'F***** by the fickle finger of fate' right there.

Dublin1600

Roddy Doyle has been a huge supporter of this woman. He now has enough material for a non-fiction.

Rented Mule

Dublin1600 wrote: »

Roddy Doyle has been a huge supporter of this woman. He now has enough material for a non-fiction.

How is he going to cast Colm Meaney in this one ??

rkeane

Dublin1600 wrote: »

Roddy Doyle has been a huge supporter of this woman. He now has enough material for a non-fiction.

enough for a best seller

dontcallmecrazy

female genital mutilation is disgusting, this woman was trying to protect her children as im sure anybody with children or even nieces/ sisters would do.

if you thought somebody you loved was going to be put through a horiffic ordeal such as this, would you not be willing to do anything to prevent it.

this woman is brave and is being a responsible parent by standing up to to something that she belives is wrong.

and who are we to say that the doctor is not telling fibbs, this is a highly controversial subject in africa etc. and perhaps he was just trying to save face and make her look bad because he is ashamed of what happened.

Dublin1600

http://www.letthemstay.org/

FAIL

stevoman

figures

rkeane

dontcallmecrazy wrote: »

female genital mutilation is disgusting, this woman was trying to protect her children as im sure anybody with children or even nieces/ sisters would do.

if you thought somebody you loved was going to be put through a horiffic ordeal such as this, would you not be willing to do anything to prevent it.

this woman is brave and is being a responsible parent by standing up to to something that she belives is wrong.

and who are we to say that the doctor is not telling fibbs, this is a highly controversial subject in africa etc. and perhaps he was just trying to save face and make her look bad because he is ashamed of what happened.

I think you have been reading too many conspiracy theories, do you think 9 11 was done by the U.S government, do you believe in little green men? I can't wait to be rid of her.

Professey Chin

dontcallmecrazy wrote: »

female genital mutilation is disgusting, this woman was trying to protect her children as im sure anybody with children or even nieces/ sisters would do.

if you thought somebody you loved was going to be put through a horiffic ordeal such as this, would you not be willing to do anything to prevent it.

this woman is brave and is being a responsible parent by standing up to to something that she belives is wrong.

and who are we to say that the doctor is not telling fibbs, this is a highly controversial subject in africa etc. and perhaps he was just trying to save face and make her look bad because he is ashamed of what happened.

Youre crazy. Im gonna go with shes been tellin lots of porkies to stay

WindSock

I couldn't give a **** about my taxes being 'wasted' if it raises the issue of genital mutilation.

Dublin1600

dontcallmecrazy wrote: »

this woman is brave and is being a responsible parent by standing up to to something that she belives is wrong.

LOL, in my books she is a lying sack of ****.

ShooterSF

Rented Mule wrote: »

Does the article state if she needs a lift to the airport or not ?

Are you kidding? Airport? Eh forgery of documents and attempt to mislead the Irish state. A lift to Mountjoy surely?

Degsy

WindSock wrote: »

I couldn't give a **** about my taxes being 'wasted' if it raises the issue of genital mutilation.

Well raise it somewhere else...its a con job because nobody beleives the cock and bull stories about persecution,stoning bla blah blah.

dontcallmecrazy

Degsy wrote: »

As i've said before this whole geniatl mutilation thing is a con-job.
Nobody has it done without the mothers consent so anybody who uses it as an excuse to avoid deportation is a liar.
.

this is a bit of a sweepeing statement, in most place FGM is something that is enforced by the MEN to keep the girls ''clean living virgins'' until marriage and to make sure that sex is more enjoyable for the men as the vagina remains tight after child birth etc.

rkeane

WindSock wrote: »

I couldn't give a **** about my taxes being 'wasted' if it raises the issue of genital mutilation.

but her "case" is bogus

Rented Mule

ShooterSF wrote: »

Are you kidding? Airport? Eh forgery of documents and attempt to mislead the Irish state. A lift to Mountjoy surely?

Do you really want to pay for her accomodations for another extended stay ? Not to mention the kids ??

How close can Ryanair get them to Nigeria ?

andrewh5

ShooterSF wrote: »

Are you kidding? Airport? Eh forgery of documents and attempt to mislead the Irish state. A lift to Mountjoy surely?

Why waste more tax payers mopney keeping her in the Joy? Deport her and her brood asp.

ShooterSF

Rented Mule wrote: »

Do you really want to pay for her accomodations for another extended stay ? Not to mention the kids ??

How close can Ryanair get them to Nigeria ?

True.

How far out is International waters and can ryanair carry a raft and oar?

Rented Mule

ShooterSF wrote: »

True.

How far out is International waters and can ryanair carry a raft and oar?

Welcome back to the fold my brother !!

ShooterSF

WindSock wrote: »

I couldn't give a **** about my taxes being 'wasted' if it raises the issue of genital mutilation.

Eh all your taxes were wasted to prove that asylum seekers can and will lie. Not a great positive.

dontcallmecrazy

rkeane wrote: »

I think you have been reading too many conspiracy theories, do you think 9 11 was done by the U.S government, do you believe in little green men? I can't wait to be rid of her.

no, but i do have a vagina so i can appreciate where she is coming from on this one, i like mine the way it is and i sure as hell know that if some dude was gonna come at me with a rusty blade de-sex me and sew me up so that my husband could enjoy sex i'd be a bit pissed of too.

this poor woman is being ganged up on and silenced by her own country so they can avoid having to face up to the fact that this is barbaric thing to be carrying on with.

SEPT 23 1989

WindSock wrote: »

I couldn't give a **** about my taxes being 'wasted' if it raises the issue of genital mutilation.

i do give a **** if my hard earned tax is wasted on this Nigerian scammer

she should be made apologise to the Irish people and then jailed

Dublin1600

dontcallmecrazy wrote: »

no, but i do have a vagina so i can appreciate where she is coming from on this one

Pics or it didn't happen

kmick

Nigerians yet again proving themselves to be the most dishonest bunch of crooks ever. Welcome to Ireland my friends.

mikemac

I suppose the lawyers have to keep busy somehow.
And they'll probably launch yet another appeal after this.

Why can't they just do one court case and agree to abide by it instead of launching countless appeals? Who is paying for Pamela's legal team?
And if they decide to launch some Human Rights abuse case to Europe are we going to pay for that too?
Their cases in Ireland have all failed so going to Europe is the next step I suppose

Rented Mule

mikemac wrote: »

I suppose the lawyers have to keep busy somehow.
And they'll probably launch yet another appeal after this.

Why can't they just do one court case and agree to abide by it instead of launching countless appeals? Who is paying for Pamela's legal team?
And if they decide to launch some Human Rights abuse case to Europe are we going to pay for that too?
Their cases in Ireland have all failed so going to Europe is the next step I suppose

If the legal team is actually fighting for justice, could we not send them to Nigeria to the actual cause of the situation ?

Just seems like the logical thing to do.

Ryanair, rubber raft, oars, legal team ...check.

S.L.F

dontcallmecrazy wrote: »

female genital mutilation is disgusting, this woman was trying to protect her children as im sure anybody with children or even nieces/ sisters would do.

if you thought somebody you loved was going to be put through a horiffic ordeal such as this, would you not be willing to do anything to prevent it.

this woman is brave and is being a responsible parent by standing up to to something that she belives is wrong.

and who are we to say that the doctor is not telling fibbs, this is a highly controversial subject in africa etc. and perhaps he was just trying to save face and make her look bad because he is ashamed of what happened.

Just to clarify the report said...

Dublin1600 wrote: »

So its been revealed that this woman Pamela Izevbekhai who never give birth to a daughter she claim died of female genital mutilation.

She is a liar and both she and her brood should be removed from this nation ASAP, anybody else who thinks Nigeria can be changed should go with them.

irishgrover

what personally annoys me about this is not her or her family but the uselessness of the whole system.
The Dublin convention is obviously not worth a sh!te. If it were of any use I would assume that >70% of asylum seekers could be deported within hours. Thereafter the fact that the initial decision can take years, followed by many more years of appears is pure daft.
I have no problem with economic emigrants, nor with asylum seekers, and I even understand economic emigrants pretending (lying) to be asylum seekers. I equally have no problem with them being efficiently assessed and deported.
However, the reality is that is takes years for the authorities to process applicants, and then years more for appeals etc. So by that time a decision is made these bogus asylum seekers have embedded themselves in the community and more importantly often have school going children who know no other country than Ireland. It aggravates me that this government ineptitude creates a situation where people who clearly should have been kicked out within 10 minutes of arrival are here for years. the consequence of which is untold stress and trauma for children who have known nothing but Ireland for as long as they can remember.....

Sleipnir

dontcallmecrazy wrote: »

no, but i do have a vagina so i can appreciate where she is coming from on this one, i like mine the way it is and i sure as hell know that if some dude was gonna come at me with a rusty blade de-sex me and sew me up so that my husband could enjoy sex i'd be a bit pissed of too.

this poor woman is being ganged up on and silenced by her own country so they can avoid having to face up to the fact that this is barbaric thing to be carrying on with.

But she lied about it, in court, falsified documentation, possibly destroyed and at the very least damaged the career and reputation of a doctor in a country which badly needs them. Even you now are questioning the veracity of the doctor's own statements regarding his signature being forged?

She's done the whole anti-FGM camp a huge dis-service because now, when a genuine case of it is presented, it will immediately come under suspicious. How can that be a good thing?

How can you possible defend your position?

Terry

Closed temporarily.
It will be re-opened once I check out some stuff and wake up properly.

Do not start another thread on this subject.

Terry

Ok. Re-opened.
This is still being disputed in the courts and will most likely end up in the ECHR.

Do not state something as fact if it is only your opinion.
Doing so may get you banned and will just be a waste of my time and yours because I'll delete the post too.

Look at the article before posting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvMuoq_bwRY

Irlbo

We are currently in dire straits,and need to start looking after our own,send this useless lying parasite back to her own native country,we havent the time or money to be carrying her ar*e now

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

Well raise it somewhere else...its a con job because nobody beleives the cock and bull stories about persecution,stoning bla blah blah.

I fail to see where you're going with that. It does happen, it just may not have happened in this instance. The fact that somebody lied doesn't change the facts.

Zadkiel

ShooterSF wrote: »

True.

How far out is International waters and can ryanair carry a raft and oar?

12 miles iirc...open to correction

Rented Mule

Nodin wrote: »

I fail to see where you're going with that. It does happen, it just may not have happened in this instance. The fact that somebody lied doesn't change the facts.

Uhm.....lying about the facts does just that.

Terry

Irlbo wrote: »

We are currently in dire straits,and need to start looking after our own,send this useless lying parasite back to her own native country,we havent the time or money to be carrying her ar*e now

What part of Do not state something as fact if it is only your opinion did you not get?

Only one person claimed she lied. Just one. This does not give anyone the right to call her a liar here.

Now before people start getting all antsy and calling me a bleeding heart liberal, I couldn't give a flying **** about this woman. I don't care if she stays or goes. It doesn't affect me in any measurable way.
As for taxes, those parasitical solicitors will just find another way to bleed the system when this case is over.

Irlbo

Nodin wrote: »

I fail to see where you're going with that. It does happen, it just may not have happened in this instance. The fact that somebody lied doesn't change the facts.

That is Nigeria,they are an independant well established country with is own government and institutions,its their problem,not Irelands,could I go to Nigeria and claim asylum because of the recession in Ireland,I doubt it.................................Im sorry and call me a racist if you wish,but in general I find the majority Nigerians a very brash,rude,shady and devious race of people and do nothing to advance the progression of this country,there would be a big smile on my face if they all disappeared back to Nigeria tommorow

stevoman

dontcallmecrazy wrote: »

no, but i do have a vagina

hey, fancy a drink sometime???

thebman

WindSock wrote: »

I couldn't give a **** about my taxes being 'wasted' if it raises the issue of genital mutilation.

I'd rather the money was spent highlighting the issue TBH.

Woman is a liar and a thief (robbing tax payers) and that is wrong. She has done more damage than good "raising the issue" as now people will wonder who else we should be deporting.

Boskowski

irishgrover wrote: »

what personally annoys me about this is not her or her family but the uselessness of the whole system.
The Dublin convention is obviously not worth a sh!te. If it were of any use I would assume that >70% of asylum seekers could be deported within hours. Thereafter the fact that the initial decision can take years, followed by many more years of appears is pure daft.
I have no problem with economic emigrants, nor with asylum seekers, and I even understand economic emigrants pretending (lying) to be asylum seekers. I equally have no problem with them being efficiently assessed and deported.
However, the reality is that is takes years for the authorities to process applicants, and then years more for appeals etc. So by that time a decision is made these bogus asylum seekers have embedded themselves in the community and more importantly often have school going children who know no other country than Ireland. It aggravates me that this government ineptitude creates a situation where people who clearly should have been kicked out within 10 minutes of arrival are here for years. the consequence of which is untold stress and trauma for children who have known nothing but Ireland for as long as they can remember.....

I second that, but really it's the parents fault to put their children into that position in the first place. Not only do they place their children into an environment they themselves can't be sure they are going to last in, they also use their children in order to extend their stay or increase their chances for a stay. I mean the parents know about this drawn out process and they actually bank on it, thinking that every single day they stay longer will increase their chances for permanent residency. Well knowing it may or may not work out. Not what you would call responsible parenting.

Kinetic^

What a sham,send her packing.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Irlbo wrote: »

That is Nigeria,they are an independant well established country with is own government and institutions,its their problem,not Irelands,could I go to Nigeria and claim asylum because of the recession in Ireland,I doubt it.................................Im sorry and call me a racist if you wish,but in general I find the majority Nigerians a very brash,rude,shady and devious race of people and do nothing to advance the progression of this country,there would be a big smile on my face if they all disappeared back to Nigeria tommorow

Could you tell apart someone from Nigeria and any other african country? Doubt it really... You also don't know what assylum is. I sence a lot of racism in here...

I hear directly from the interviewers mouth about what happened. How am I to prove it is fact? I don't know, must it be printed in some crappy tabloid? Can I refer to a radio talk show?

If so, then you people wanting her out don't have the whole story. The documents have not been studied in detail yet, so nobody, and I mean nobody but the doctor and this mother actually know the truth. We will hear in due time, until then keep your racist remarks to yourselves

marcsignal

I wonder what the Mayor of Sligo will have to say about this, not to mention Fine Gael & Roddy Doyle.

I also wonder will the PC brigade finally accept, that it is neccessary, and not racist, to dig a little deeper into the 'stories' told by people claiming asylum, so that chancers can be weeded out, and genuine cases can be treated with the dignity they deserve.

WindSock

stevoman wrote: »

hey, fancy a drink sometime???

Are you saying that to her or her vagina?

thebman wrote: »

I'd rather the money was spent highlighting the issue TBH.

The issue can't have been highlighted any greater than through a controversial courtcase. It has every tom mary and anto talking about it. Thats a good thing. She didn't win the case but I am glad everyone in this country is now aware of the barbaric horrors that prevail for so many young girls Africa.

Nodin

Rented Mule wrote: »

Uhm.....lying about the facts does just that.

No, you're again transferring from the specific to the general. If a woman appears saying that she's been raped and is found to have lied, that does not mean rape does not occur, just that it hasn't occured in that instance. Likewise if a number of Nigerians have acted in a certain way, it doesnt mean all Nigerians will act similarily.

SEPT 23 1989

Nodin wrote: »

No, you're again transferring from the specific to the general. If a woman appears saying that she's been raped and is found to have lied, that does not mean rape does not occur, just that it hasn't occured in that instance. Likewise if a number of Nigerians have acted in a certain way, it doesnt mean all Nigerians will act similarily.

if this is true it could really drag the good name of Nigeria and its people into the gutter

Nodin

WindSock wrote: »

Are you saying that to her or her vagina?

I'd say its the latter. No point mucking round with the monkey when the Organ grinder is to hand....

biko

We'll see what the courts make off this. Hopefully it'll be the end of it, it's cost us too much already and it's not like she'll be able to pay it back.
I would love for more fake asylum seekers to be deported, it would restore faith in the real ones.
For instance, to this day I don't understand why any Nigerians are in Ireland, there is no war on and so forth (another discussion I know).