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Informed Performance Gym

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  • #52
    Vivian Reckless
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Vivian Reckless


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    Aha! A challenge has been set! :D

    I accept! Quite looking forward to it actually. I've not been a critic of anything but the prices, in fairness. And I stand by that until corrected. I'm hoping to be proven wrong actually, as it'd be nice to have a gym with good equipment, atmosphere, and staff with a justifiable price. Its just I can't see the justification yet.

    If it all goes ahead, I'll be back with a report. And as stated above, I'm hoping it'll be a positive one. Either way, it will be an honest, unbiased one.

    Senor Oglesby, I thank 'ee for thy offer. Hope to report back soon-ish!
    Roper,
    I hope you get Will to do Jimmy's assessment. You could sell tickets to that. I can hear the ambulance sirens screaming already.

    Jimmy,
    I don't think that Roper has to justify his prices. €20 a week for a facility with a gym, track, boxing ring, mma area, striking area, strongman area, indoor field turf. A place where you get an individual program and are coached at every session, where everyone will be tested every 4-6 weeks? I went in to see Will at his current gym and I met a couple of d guys that are working in d new gym that are former Irish and Leinster rugby players who have trained under Will and are finishing sports college what gym has staff like that? I think it will be a case of every other gym having to justify their prices in comparison.
    I'd tell you to email Will and ask for justification of his prices but that would just be cruel. He doesn't seem to be a fan of boards as is.


  • #53
    weightlifter
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭weightlifter


    Vivian Reckless wrote: »
    I met a couple of d guys that are working in d new gym that are former Irish and Leinster rugby players who have trained under Will and are finishing sports college what gym has staff like that? I

    Being a former professional rugby player isnt necessarily a positive thing to be a strength coach? Some of the strength and conditioning practices in professional rugby are horrendous. (Improving in Ireland though).


  • #54
    TKD SC
    Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭TKD SC


    weightlifter wrote: »
    Being a former professional rugby player isnt necessarily a positive thing to be a strength coach? Some of the strength and conditioning practices in professional rugby are horrendous. (Improving in Ireland though).

    I think she says the former rugby players were being coached, as opposed to being coaches themselves...


  • #55
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,121 ✭✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Vivian Reckless wrote: »
    Roper,
    I hope you get Will to do Jimmy's assessment. You could sell tickets to that. I can hear the ambulance sirens screaming already.

    Jimmy,
    I don't think that Roper has to justify his prices. €20 a week for a facility with a gym, track, boxing ring, mma area, striking area, strongman area, indoor field turf. A place where you get an individual program and are coached at every session, where everyone will be tested every 4-6 weeks? I went in to see Will at his current gym and I met a couple of d guys that are working in d new gym that are former Irish and Leinster rugby players who have trained under Will and are finishing sports college what gym has staff like that? I think it will be a case of every other gym having to justify their prices in comparison.
    I'd tell you to email Will and ask for justification of his prices but that would just be cruel. He doesn't seem to be a fan of boards as is.

    Yes Vivian. Because I'll get my ass kicked for an internet debate. Well done.

    *slow clap*

    Try to remove your lips from the lads' arse before you post next, eh? :)


  • #56
    SillyMilly1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭SillyMilly1


    weightlifter wrote: »
    Being a former professional rugby player isnt necessarily a positive thing to be a strength coach? Some of the strength and conditioning practices in professional rugby are horrendous. (Improving in Ireland though).
    But being former and current professional rugby players who are also professional rugby coaches and who are both also a certified strength and conditioning coach makes them probably a little bit better qualified than the majority of gym instructors and personal trainers that you'd find in any other gym in Ireland wouldn't you say?

    I'd be interested to hear what your experience is in professional rugby?


  • #57
    SillyMilly1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭SillyMilly1


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    Yes Vivian. Because I'll get my ass kicked for an internet debate. Well done.

    *slow clap*

    Try to remove your lips from the lads' arse before you post next, eh? :)
    I love how these internet debates go. It seems to be fine for people to throw around absolutely rubbish criticism but the minute someone says something positive they are kissing ass? Is that how it works?

    I'm not even trying to get into a debate here. Just saying I think the comment you are referring to is obviously a joke wouldn't it be fair to say? I also don't think someone saying something positive about Roper should automatically considered ass kissing?


  • #58
    d-gal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭d-gal


    I think ye should all shut the fuck up and quit bithcing, this is a thread for a fantastic new structure coming to Ireland, not a thread about ye whiney little internet shits. Get a life and don't drag down this thread any further


  • #59
    weightlifter
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭weightlifter


    SillyMilly1 wrote: »
    But being former and current professional rugby players who are also professional rugby coaches and who are both also a certified strength and conditioning coach makes them probably a little bit better qualified than the majority of gym instructors and personal trainers that you'd find in any other gym in Ireland wouldn't you say?

    I'd be interested to hear what your experience is in professional rugby?

    You make a fair point, I probably misinterpretated your original point a little bit. If the former players are good coaches, their coaches... end of. To me it doesnt matter if they used to be former players or binmen. If they are players who learn new stuff and can see the horror of some of the stuff they did in the past, all the better.

    I dont particularly want to talk about my own experience here. Its an internet forum I could just say whatever the hell I wanted and you would have no idea if it were true or not. Or be completely open tell you all about me but I really dont wish to do that. If I did I would be posting with my real name rather than a generic account name.

    I stand by my statement that there are some hideous practices in professional (and AIL standard) rugby strength/con but that it is improving. If you want to debate that fact, go ahead, you can PM me or something.


  • #60
    Roper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    weightlifter wrote: »
    I stand by my statement that there are some hideous practices in professional (and AIL standard) rugby strength/con but that it is improving. If you want to debate that fact, go ahead, you can PM me or something.
    If you don't mind me saying so, the fact that you're posting this in a thread about a gym that will be putting a rugby development programme using 2 former provincial representatives smacks of an attempt to tar us with that same brush.It might not be your intention, but airing your grievances in a thread about a new gym is just bad form. You're basically associating us with those bad practices.

    If you think people from Informed Performance are party to those bad practices, then quit pussyfooting around and come out with it. If you want to do that though you'll have to not hide behind your username as you could basically say anything with anonimity.

    If however you were not intending to make some subtle remark on the quality of what will be in our gym, then I think you need to come right out now and state that categorically.

    I've both trained and studied alongside both of the guys who will be running the rugby development programme at Informed Performance and I can tell you that they're both quality- in terms of what they can teach and what they can do. More on the guys here


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  • #61
    weightlifter
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭weightlifter


    Roper wrote: »
    If you don't mind me saying so, the fact that you're posting this in a thread about a gym that will be putting a rugby development programme using 2 former provincial representatives smacks of an attempt to tar us with that same brush.It might not be your intention, but airing your grievances in a thread about a new gym is just bad form. You're basically associating us with those bad practices.

    If you think people from Informed Performance are party to those bad practices, then quit pussyfooting around and come out with it. If you want to do that though you'll have to not hide behind your username as you could basically say anything with anonimity.

    If however you were not intending to make some subtle remark on the quality of what will be in our gym, then I think you need to come right out now and state that categorically.

    I've both trained and studied alongside both of the guys who will be running the rugby development programme at Informed Performance and I can tell you that they're both quality- in terms of what they can teach and what they can do. More on the guys here


    I can state categorically that I was not casting any doubts or making any comments on your facility. I do not know anything about you, not even your real name. I stand by my original comment, but it was a very broad comment based on strength/con practices in rugby in Ireland IN GENERAL.

    Sorry if I was misinterpreted but I dont know anything about the rugby player coaches at your gym at all. I was just trying to say that them being rugby players isnt a barometer of them being good coaches. Similarly though, them being rugby players does not mean they are bad coaches.

    My comments were broad generalisations (that I believe to be largely true) but again I know nothing about your facility, about you or about the people you employ. I'll check out the link later.


  • #62
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Vivian Reckless wrote: »
    I'd tell you to email Will and ask for justification of his prices but that would just be cruel. He doesn't seem to be a fan of boards as is.
    What's with all the constant references to boards vs Will Heffernan? :confused:

    Barry the best of luck with the new venture - I'm delighted to see this will be opening and I hope it paves the way for more such resources to be available to athletes - amateur, pro or just weekend warrior-ish alike.

    Keep us updated about when it will be opening and when the open day will be on, I'd definitely love to come down and take a look. You can tell Will that the wench from boards who asked him to play nicely is coming along.


  • #63
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    d-gal wrote: »
    I think ye should all shut the fuck up and quit bithcing, this is a thread for a fantastic new structure coming to Ireland, not a thread about ye whiney little internet shits. Get a life and don't drag down this thread any further

    Whining about whining. Oh the ironing.

    The need to resort to that kind of language does more to drag the thread down than any other posts here. Give it a rest please, totally uncalled for.


  • #64
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Righto....I've mass deleted OT posts that I don't honestly think anyone will care are gone. If you actually do care that your posts are gone, let me know and I'll give this little spat some more time. Otherwise, let's try to keep this on-topic and polite (and preferably free from spat causing generalisations).


  • #65
    Roper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Thnks Khannie. And thanks weighlifter for clearing that up.


  • #66
    Transform
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    well guys fair play to you for setting this up and when i get enquiries for personal training from people that are based over on the other side of the liffey i know where i will be sending them.


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  • #67
    Vivian Reckless
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Vivian Reckless


    g'em wrote: »
    What's with all the constant references to boards vs Will Heffernan? :confused:

    Barry the best of luck with the new venture - I'm delighted to see this will be opening and I hope it paves the way for more such resources to be available to athletes - amateur, pro or just weekend warrior-ish alike.

    Keep us updated about when it will be opening and when the open day will be on, I'd definitely love to come down and take a look. You can tell Will that the wench from boards who asked him to play nicely is coming along.
    g'em,
    I sent Will a link to the thread. Heard back from him today. Apparently you did more than 'asked him to play nice'? He said he was banned? Pity as I think his blog is pretty good and his athletes seem to be doing OK.

    Roper,
    Hope you got my apology for being involved in the idiocy last night. I should have known better than to 'feed the trolls'.
    Looking forward to updates on the opening and such at a later date.

    Khannie,
    Glad you deleted the posts as they say, the problem with arguing with idiots is that they beat you with experience.


  • #68
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Vivian Reckless wrote: »
    Khannie,
    Glad you deleted the posts as they say, the problem with arguing with idiots is that they beat you with experience.

    You're pushing it. Let it go.


  • #69
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Vivian Reckless wrote: »
    g'em,
    I sent Will a link to the thread. Heard back from him today. Apparently you did more than 'asked him to play nice'? He said he was banned? Pity as I think his blog is pretty good and his athletes seem to be doing OK
    He was treated the same as any other poster on the board who acts up. He didn't seem to like this and drama ensued. There's absolutely nothing to stop him coming back, it was only a temp ban (there's nothing about him being banned on his User history though...). And Will, if you want to say something feel free to do it yourself. It's an open forum, the only thing we ask is that you treat other users with courtesy and respect. Hardly a big ask.

    Anyway, thanks for clearing up the thread Khannie.


  • #70
    Roper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Vivian Reckless wrote: »
    g'em,
    I sent Will a link to the thread. Heard back from him today. Apparently you did more than 'asked him to play nice'? He said he was banned? Pity as I think his blog is pretty good and his athletes seem to be doing OK.
    I'm sure if Will wanted the contents of his email on boards he would just post, or maybe just open his mail account to the public. I'm sure you think you're doing us a favour but is there any chance you could stop? We're big boys and we can look after ourselves we really don't need people to wade in "defending" us when we have absolutely nothing to defend ourselves against. Jimmy Bottlehead criticised pricing, we had an intelligent debate of price vs. value and I've offerred him a suck it and see and he's accepted in good faith. Other than the idiocy that went on last night which you were 50% of, there actually hasn't been much negativity on this thread at all until the people with "good intentions" got involved. Your kind of help in this thread we really don't need on any level.
    Transform wrote:
    well guys fair play to you for setting this up and when i get enquiries for personal training from people that are based over on the other side of the liffey i know where i will be sending them.
    Thanks, come over for a visit when we open and we can swap notes.
    G'em wrote:
    He was treated the same as any other poster on the board who acts up. He didn't seem to like this and drama ensued. There's absolutely nothing to stop him coming back, it was only a temp ban (there's nothing about him being banned on his User history though...). And Will, if you want to say something feel free to do it yourself. It's an open forum, the only thing we ask is that you treat other users with courtesy and respect. Hardly a big ask.
    I think he got banned for acting Australian. I don't think anyone wants to rake up old graves. He genuinely doesn't read this site, though I did send him a link to it. If people want to ask him stuff he has a really open blog where people can post questions or criticisms and he answers.


  • #71
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Roper wrote: »
    I'm sure if Will wanted the contents of his email on boards he would just post, or maybe just open his mail account to the public. I'm sure you think you're doing us a favour but is there any chance you could stop? We're big boys and we can look after ourselves we really don't need people to wade in "defending" us when we have absolutely nothing to defend ourselves against. Jimmy Bottlehead criticised pricing, we had an intelligent debate of price vs. value and I've offerred him a suck it and see and he's accepted in good faith. Other than the idiocy that went on last night which you were 50% of, there actually hasn't been much negativity on this thread at all until the people with "good intentions" got involved. Your kind of help in this thread we really don't need on any level.

    I'm glad you posted that.

    Not sure if you saw my last post last night before it was deleted, but best of luck with it. There's certainly a lack of people doing what you guys propose to do.


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  • #72
    Fromvert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Fromvert


    The gym sounds pretty sweet and original. Good luck and I wish yous all the best.


  • #73
    AlphaMale 3OO
    Closed Accounts Posts: 907 ✭✭✭AlphaMale 3OO


    Why was my post deleted? There was nothing untoward in there.


  • #74
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    AlphaMale 3OO wrote: »
    Why was my post deleted? There was nothing untoward in there.

    No, but it quoted (in its entirety) a previous post that I didn't want in. Also, there was a bit of an oul' generalisation in there. :) It was more of a mass delete of anything to do with the disagreement. If you really want to, fire ahead and repost something similar. I can PM you the content of the post if you like.


  • #75
    darraghw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭darraghw


    This gym sounds great, really looking forward to the opening. Any more information on the exact location?


  • #76
    Roper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    darraghw wrote: »
    This gym sounds great, really looking forward to the opening. Any more information on the exact location?

    It will be on the Ballyboggan Road in Glasnevin. We're waiting on some legal stuff which prevents us from releasing the exact address at the moment, we're not being intentionally secretive!


  • #77
    AlphaMale 3OO
    Closed Accounts Posts: 907 ✭✭✭AlphaMale 3OO


    Khannie wrote: »
    No, but it quoted (in its entirety) a previous post that I didn't want in. Also, there was a bit of an oul' generalisation in there. :) It was more of a mass delete of anything to do with the disagreement. If you really want to, fire ahead and repost something similar. I can PM you the content of the post if you like.

    Ah no thanks. There was nothing ground breaking in there at all.


  • #78
    itsallaboutheL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    Slightly OT buuut what are the odds of ye doing internships for newly qualified PTs looking to get into S&C i have a ah friend who will be qualified in the near future........ altho he needs to start squating again.. the bollox!:D


  • #79
    mushykeogh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭mushykeogh


    itsallaboutheL wrote: »
    Slightly OT buuut what are the odds of ye doing internships for newly qualified PTs looking to get into S&C
    I was just about to ask something similar!


  • #80
    Roper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    We'll have some space for some coffee makers I mean....aahhhh interns in the near future.
    I know this might sound unlikely but we have had, possibly 10+ people asking the same question so they will be interviewed positions.

    Every PT wants to "work with athletes" :D


  • #81
    itsallaboutheL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    Roper wrote: »
    We'll have some space for some coffee makers I mean....aahhhh interns in the near future.
    I know this might sound unlikely but we have had, possibly 10+ people asking the same question so they will be interviewed positions.

    Every PT wants to "work with athletes" :D

    i just wanna make coffee


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  • #82
    Roper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    itsallaboutheL wrote: »
    i just wanna make coffee

    You're already a step ahead of the competition then. Black, strong, no sugar. Fvck that up and you're out the door.


  • #83
    thirtyfoot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    This looks cool:cool:

    Would it be possible to come along when up and running to have a gawk around the place?

    Also, you mention there will be a philanthropic element:) Does this mean you would be interested in taking on a charity (for better want of a word) case? I have a guy who is a talented athlete but likes to reside in the comfort zone. I have got him into the real world on the track and he is flying. Its the extras in the gym where he is still a bit of a girls blouse. He lives locally.

    Also, the track stretch, does it back onto to wall or does it have a run-off, ie, you you be able to run the full 25m or do you have to ease off well before to avoid hitting the wall?


  • #84
    Roper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    There'll be some scholarships for young folks, the criteria for which we're still examining. The only thing you can do is have a chat with us when it's open and we'll have a look.

    The track won't have a run off but we will have a crash wall. The reason it's only 25m is because it's main purpose will be testing and developing 10m speed.


  • #85
    Package
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Package


    congratulations on the gym, its an amazing offer.


  • #86
    Satan Polaroid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭Satan Polaroid


    Best of luck with the gym. Sounds like an excellent offer.

    Will there be any MA day time classes, and have ye decided opening/closing times for the gym?

    (important for us shift workers)


  • #87
    celestial
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭celestial


    Satan Polaroid wrote: »
    Best of luck with the gym. Sounds like an excellent offer.

    Will there be any MA day time classes, and have ye decided opening/closing times for the gym?

    (important for us shift workers)

    Barry we need more regular updates!:)


  • #88
    Roper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Hi all,

    Yeah not getting much time to post or read this internet device these days. For anyone who is interested the opening date for the full gym has been put back. We're importing some high quality gear and the lead times for manufacturing, shipping and installation are longer than expected so we're looking at a July 1st opening date now. However the MMA, boxing and Muay Thai section of the gym should be totally open in May as planned as the equipment for that is only coming from the UK.

    There's lots of other stuff happening behind the scenes that are going to be great and unique and while we had planned on updating the fitness community about everything via this board, we're just too damn busy running around this country and the US sourcing equipment and getting people on board.

    However if anyone has any specific enquiries they can email myself or Will through his or my websites informedperformance.wordpress.com or barryoglesby.blogspot.com


  • #89
    sunnyjim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭sunnyjim


    A few questions.

    What happens when someone starts out in the gym - are they tested straight away, assessed somehow or are they put on a program from the off and then tested in your usual way?

    Also, whats the story about saturdays opening times? I notice its not quite open...


  • #90
    ragg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭ragg


    Also, did i imagine it or did you say we could all bail in to IP for free some weekend


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  • #91
    Roper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Re: Saturday hours
    They're the base hours, the hours we are definitely open. You have to remember that IP is not a gym in the way that most people percieve a gym to be. I would call the likes of Carlisle, Skelly's etc. Leisure Centres. We are a gym, which also means we are a community, which in turn means we are flexible and approachable about our hours. We have guys who want to come in really late, as in 11pm, and if we can accomodate that we will. Same with Saturdays. If someone wants to be there later than we're down to be open, they just have to ask. 9 times out of 10 we can accomodate that.

    Re: Testing and assesment
    The short answer is it depends. Not everyone gets tested straight away. Some people are too weak/unfit to test and need a few weeks of work first to get themselves going. Some people test and then straight away do their first session the same day. Testing is a major thing to newcomers but to anyone in the gym a while it's no big deal. It's a waypoint on the big journey. The journey of getting jakt.

    Re: Free weekend
    For open workout/invite/freebie http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055788501 post there and we'll work something out.


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