Scotland v Ireland (pre/during/post thread)

thehighground · 15-03-2009 6:07pm

eoin wrote: »

No, I just didn't think it was a man of the match performance, if that's not considered blasphemy.

Reading your post one would get the impression that you were nominating him for 'Worst Player of the Match' though.

Fair play to ROG for coming back as he did from the England game and congratulations on the new record.

Stev_o · 15-03-2009 6:10pm

thehighground wrote: »

Reading your post one would get the impression that you were nominating him for 'Worst Player of the Match' though.

Fair play to ROG for coming back as he did from the England game and congratulations on the new record.

Mate he's only responding to some who said that he felt it was between ROG and Stringer for man of the match.

thehighground · 15-03-2009 6:17pm

Stev_o wrote: »

Mate he's only responding to some who said that he felt it was between ROG and Stringer for man of the match.

Sorry Eoin - post I was replying to was from stephen_n.

Catmologen · 15-03-2009 7:43pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Man of the match?, he wouldn't be in my top ten Irish players let alone the best!

That's a completely ridiculous point of view and it makes little sense, you cant be basing that on his performance on the field of play yesterday.

.5 difference between ROG and Stringer, thats about right for me.

Player Ratings
Ratings by Brian Jaffray

Ireland

Rob kearney 6

Looked less secure than in previous outings although he was always looking to run the ball. Few wild kicks took some gloss off his performance.

tOMMY BOWE 6

Apart from one poorly executed up-and-under, never got involved in the general play. Not his fault as you can't do much if you don't get ball.

bRIAN O'DRISCOLL 7.5

Another towering performance. Brilliant tackle on Evans prevented a certain try just before the break and probably saved the Grand Slam dream.

Gordon d'arcy6

Super tackle as Paterson was preparing to pounce but struggled to make much of an impact. Still a better option than Paddy Wallace.

LUKE FITZGERALD 7.5

Ever alert and always willing to get involved. Ran his heart out for the cause. This guy is the genuine article and a certainty for the Lions.

RONAN O'GARA 7.5

Croke Park nightmare confined to history books. Super tackle on Danielli prevented an early try. Looks far more comfortable with his soul mate alongside him.

Peter Stringer 8

So the little general is past it then! Write this man off at your peril. Brilliant break put the try for Heaslip on a plate. Now odds-on to start in Cardiff

Marcus horan 6.5

Another workmanlike display from the Munster man. Held his own in the tight against what is a formidable Scottish front row.

Rory Best 7

One of his better games. Had point to prove and duly obliged. Will provide a selection headache for Kidney ahead of Cardiff.

john hayes 6

Struggled in the scrums according to referee Jonathan Kaplin... but who cares! Ninety three caps with more to come. Award this man the 'Freedom of Bruff'!

donncha o'callaghan 6.5

As ever, gave it his all. Destined to be always over-shadowed as long as O'Connell is his partner in the second row.

paul o'connell 7

Heart of a Lion and led by example throughout with his carries. Took game by scruff of the neck after getting earful from Kidney at half-time.

stephen ferris 7.5

Covered every blade of grass in Murrayfield. A big-hitter and simply superb in contact. A true physical presence on the field.

david wallace 6

Fumble early on set the tone for his performance. Despite his head bandage catching the eye this was not one of Wally's better days in the green jersey.

Denis Leamy 6.5

Although only on the pitch for 33 minutes did more than enough to justify his selection over Heaslip. Injury will make Kidney's choice much easier for Cardiff.

subs

Jamie Heaslip Made the most of Leamy's misfortune. Won the lineout that led to his own try. Forget the showboating, Jamie. 6.5

Jerry Flannery Over-threw the ball with his first lineout. Anxious few days ahead of him. 6

TomÁs O'Leary Failed to make an impression. Will be watching from the stands next Saturday night. 6

Geordan Murphy Not on long enough to be rated.

http://www.tribune.ie/article/2009/mar/15/player-ratings/

sock puppet · 15-03-2009 8:54pm

Catmologen wrote: »

RONAN O'GARA 7.5

Croke Park nightmare confined to history books. Super tackle on Danielli prevented an early try. Looks far more comfortable with his soul mate alongside him.

http://www.tribune.ie/article/2009/mar/15/player-ratings/

I'm pretty sure it was actually Fitzgerald made that tackle.

Stealdo · 15-03-2009 10:39pm

sock puppet wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it was actually Fitzgerald made that tackle.

You'd wonder whether these guys that do these ratings have actually watched the game at all. For example crediting O'Driscoll for the try saving tackle at the end of the first half, and completely ignoring the fact that it was Tommy Bowe who actually saved the try, O'Driscoll's was a simple track back and tackle, if anything you could criticise him for not making more effort initially when the kick went over his head. (Not crapping on BOD here, he had a good game and had he not been there Bowe wouldn't have got the result he deserved)

15-03-2009 11:32pm

He kicked his points but other than that nothing special.No where near mom performance.

I think ferris doesnt get enough praise,he is consistently class.

On a side note the guy who wrote the player ratings said Fitzgerald is a certainty for the Lions lol.He may travel but he is most definitely not a certainty.

corny · 15-03-2009 11:37pm

Stealdo wrote: »

You'd wonder whether these guys that do these ratings have actually watched the game at all. For example crediting O'Driscoll for the try saving tackle at the end of the first half, and completely ignoring the fact that it was Tommy Bowe who actually saved the try, O'Driscoll's was a simple track back and tackle, if anything you could criticise him for not making more effort initially when the kick went over his head. (Not crapping on BOD here, he had a good game and had he not been there Bowe wouldn't have got the result he deserved)

He said of Leamy too "Although only on the pitch for 33 minutes did more than enough to justify his selection over Heaslip." LOL 33 mins and he did nothing eyecatching. Got turned over in midfield thats it. Heaslip lead from the front against France and put in huge workrate against Italy and England. Absolute nonsense.

stephen_n · 15-03-2009 11:40pm

thehighground wrote: »

Sorry Eoin - post I was replying to was from stephen_n.

Well since it was responding to my comment no I wouldn't but as I said he wouldn't have been in my top ten players

Catmologen wrote: »

That's a completely ridiculous point of view and it makes little sense, you cant be basing that on his performance on the field of play yesterday.

Oh right my point of view is ridiculous and yet yours is based on a player rating from the tribune lmfao. My friend your argument is groundless. I made points reviewing O'Gara's game about his inability to move our much vaunted backline and his total inability to create space even with quick go forward ball from stringer he looked lost with the ball in hand add to this the fact that his kicking from hand is aimless and ineffective yet you think he is man of the match, why because he kicked a drop goal a conversion and 4 penalties so by your logic Patterson was man of the match for Scotland????Don't know if you ever played rugby or know what an outhalf is SUPPOSED to do but O'Gara isn't doing it and place kicking isn't enough to qualify him, he is supposed to direct the backline and control the game and how many try's have we scored by him doing this in the 6N???

Catmologen · 15-03-2009 11:53pm

To say that he wasn't in the top ten players on the pitch is fairly ridiculous alright...

stephen_n · 16-03-2009 12:01am

Catmologen wrote: »

Ratings by Brian Jaffray

RONAN O'GARA 7.5

Croke Park nightmare confined to history books. Super tackle on Danielli prevented an early try. Looks far more comfortable with his soul mate alongside him.

paul o'connell 7

Heart of a Lion and led by example throughout with his carries. Took game by scruff of the neck after getting earful from Kidney at half-time.

Yes Brian is a reliable source of player reviews alright must have been watching the game from under the bar to rate O'connells performance so low

stephen_n · 16-03-2009 12:07am

Catmologen wrote: »

To say that he wasn't in the top ten players on the pitch is fairly ridiculous alright...

Right but you refuse again to say what aspect of his game deserved a better rating? and also you choose to ignore the valid points I have put forward but your right my point is ridiculous alright lol

hussey · 16-03-2009 2:56am

If Ireland lose to Wales by less than 12pts do they win the tournament?
or is it based on Head to Head matches?

jayteecork · 16-03-2009 3:30am

hussey wrote: »

If Ireland lose to Wales by less than 12pts do they win the tournament?
or is it based on Head to Head matches?

I think Wales have to beat Ireland by 26 points.

It's not head to head in the 6 nations as far as I know.

This is excellent, we haven't won the 5/6 nations since 1985!

jayteecork · 16-03-2009 3:32am

Brycen Attractive Oasis wrote: »

He kicked his points but other than that nothing special.No where near mom performance.

I think ferris doesnt get enough praise,he is consistently class.

On a side note the guy who wrote the player ratings said Fitzgerald is a certainty for the Lions lol.He may travel but he is most definitely not a certainty.

Sure they take 45 players now, and seeing as 4 the first teams of the 4 eligible nations consist of 60 players you could say he's a good shout.

16-03-2009 3:58am

jayteecork wrote: »

Sure they take 45 players now, and seeing as 4 the first teams of the 4 eligible nations consist of 60 players you could say he's a good shout.

Personally I would start him on the wing in the first team but when someone says to me a player is a cert for the Lions,it means they will start.

Diamondmaker · 16-03-2009 4:04am

jayteecork wrote: »

I think Wales have to beat Ireland by 26 points.

It's not head to head in the 6 nations as far as I know.

This is excellent, we haven't won the 5/6 nations since 1985!

AHHHhh the beauty of permutations, its not head to head.

Wales need to win by 13 ( very doable ).
As a result of winning by 13 their points difference increases by 13.
Ours naturally, as having lost by 13, decreases by 13,

Hence the net positve points difference of 26 !!

Game set and Match and 3 Crown Wales and nothing for ireland !
Take Wales 13 Nil for example:

FOR - AGST = Dif
85 + 13 - ( 64 + 0 ) = 34 W
104 + 0 - ( 58 +13 ) = 33 Irl

1 Ireland 4 4 0 0 104 58 46 10 8
2 Wales 4 3 0 1 85 64 21 8 6

Im sure it does not default to points scored in 1st instance, from cruel memory of the Fr / Scot Irl / It fixtures.

The only upside of this is as the GS is up for grabs and not just a championship, we will go in playing to win and not playing to limit a score to 13.

Gonna be a major game !!

Moncti48 · 16-03-2009 6:31am

jayteecork wrote: »

Sure they take 45 players now, and seeing as 4 the first teams of the 4 eligible nations consist of 60 players you could say he's a good shout.

Apperntly this year he has said that he wont be taking a 45 man squad, instead he will be taking a 35 or 36 man squad, maybe 1 or 2 less. He doesnt want to rotate the teams to much and will be using the warm-up matches as actual warm up and not matches just for the fun of it

Stealdo · 16-03-2009 12:04pm

Moncti48 wrote: »

Apperntly this year he has said that he wont be taking a 45 man squad, instead he will be taking a 35 or 36 man squad, maybe 1 or 2 less. He doesnt want to rotate the teams to much and will be using the warm-up matches as actual warm up and not matches just for the fun of it

The massive squad for the 2005 lions was a one off. It'll probably never happen again. All down to Clive Woodward not wanting his players to have to mix with the pee-ons in the midweek team. He even had two seperate coaching set ups.

Scotland v Ireland (pre/during/post thread)

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