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Mac Donagh Station Shopping Centre

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    Zavvi was the only shop that brought me over there. Its a terrible loss. No more impulse buying dvd's anymore.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 mumsy


    hiya, i was up there today and was told that tom tailor will be open on friday which is great - their stock is lovely -- i will be making a visit anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭trishw78


    fingers crossed HMV take over Zavvi... HMV Took over the Zavvi in Dundrum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭Deliverance XXV


    trishw78 wrote: »
    fingers crossed HMV take over Zavvi... HMV Took over the Zavvi in Dundrum

    Definitely. I and probably most of Kilkenny miss Zavvi. HMV would be a worthy replacement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭Supra lover 87


    Yeah it would thats the first place i go to when i go up to Dublin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    trishw78 wrote: »
    fingers crossed HMV take over Zavvi... HMV Took over the Zavvi in Dundrum

    Weren't they only taking 5, with Kilkenny not being one of them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 upthecats


    Me buddy was working in Zaavi before it closed and told me that he overheard some guy in the shop from HMV last week looking at it so here's hoping!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 upthecats


    mumsy wrote: »
    hiya, i was up there today and was told that tom tailor will be open on friday which is great - their stock is lovely -- i will be making a visit anyway.


    Bout time Tom Tailor opening but great to see a store opening in Kilkenny nowhere else in the South East - http://www.tom-tailor.com/index.php?page=StoreFinder&lang=English

    I'd never heard of them before but having been on the website they seem quite nice and pretty big worldwide!

    Go on the Cats!!!!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    upthecats wrote: »
    Me buddy was working in Zaavi before it closed and told me that he overheard some guy in the shop from HMV last week looking at it so here's hoping!

    Hopefully...especially for the staffs sake of course. The management of MacDonagh seem very proactive as regards getting tenants so hopefully they will offer the like of HMV good terms to reel them in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,484 ✭✭✭✭Stephen


    Makes sense to me - an expensive empty unit makes far less money than an occupied unit rented on the cheap!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭highgiant1985


    Stephen wrote: »
    Makes sense to me - an expensive empty unit makes far less money than an occupied unit rented on the cheap!

    though some landlords in Kilkenny don't seem to think so :P

    I'll miss zavvi and its bucket load of dvds :(

    Haven't been into a Tom Tailors store before would anyone who has know are they seen as expensive or are they good value?


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭PhilipMarlowe


    I was in Jervis st. just before christmas and saw a Tom Tailor.. had a very quick peek and it looked reasonable but I was only in the shop 15 seconds or so ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,477 ✭✭✭✭Raze_them_all


    trishw78 wrote: »
    fingers crossed HMV take over Zavvi... HMV Took over the Zavvi in Dundrum
    not happeneing they announced they were only taking 5 and have already taken them over


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭KatCookie


    They COULD take Zavvi over, Just like I potentially COULD star in a movie and win an Oscar, but the chances of either happening are VERY slim!
    Zavvi have emptied out everything from inside now, all stock gone, so just incase anyone wanted to commit robbery, i wouldnt bother because everything has gone! Even the stereo system that you could listen to music on.... Maybe another shop will come there soon, but I doubt HMV would, the KK store probably didnt look to good on the Books, mainly because it was still "new" and profit was hardly that high..


  • Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭manus30


    they will be missed alright...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭Firetrap


    I'm disappointed Zavvi's gone. Heartbeat City doesn't have anywhere near the selection of stuff that Zavvi had :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I miss Zavvi. For the first time KK had a decent CD and DVD store that was well priced, modern, big and had a great selection..now it's gone again :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭KatCookie


    Tom Tailor is good though, it looked quite expensive but when I went in i noticed that the prices werent totally unreasonable!
    Wimmins clothes were nice!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ztoical


    Popped into Mac Donagh earlier to grab some stuff from the health food shop and found they've reverted back to charging for the carpark [with a whole euro off if you spend 10 in dunnes]. Thought having the first 2 hours free was the smartest thing that place had every done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭Deliverance XXV


    ztoical wrote: »
    Popped into Mac Donagh earlier to grab some stuff from the health food shop and found they've reverted back to charging for the carpark [with a whole euro off if you spend 10 in dunnes]. Thought having the first 2 hours free was the smartest thing that place had every done.

    My thoughts exactly. I'm suprised they did that as free first two hours was a great incentive to shop in a shopping centre with little enticement...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Thats surprising. I was going way more often since they brought that in. I won't be bothered now :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ztoical


    mfitzy wrote: »
    Thats surprising. I was going way more often since they brought that in. I won't be bothered now :(

    I'd started going more often myself for the same reason, even with zavi gone if I didn't have to pay for parking I'd drop in to get shopping or meet someone for coffee. I find it really odd they've got rid of it given all the events during the day they keep trying to push like the craft fairs and cooking demos.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    Same here. I only started going there when the 2 hours free parking was introduced. I wont be visiting there now unless absolutely necessary, and I cant see that happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,484 ✭✭✭✭Stephen


    Greedy feckers. I guess they saw the council annihilating all the other free parking in town and thought they'd chance their arms.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭Firetrap


    Plonkers. They need every customer they can get coming through those doors. I don't know how the coffee shops in the food court stay in business. I've walked through it many times when you could count on the fingers of one hand the number of people sitting down to have something to eat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Firetrap wrote: »
    Plonkers. They need every customer they can get coming through those doors. I don't know how the coffee shops in the food court stay in business. I've walked through it many times when you could count on the fingers of one hand the number of people sitting down to have something to eat.

    That's 'cos they're all rubbish places to eat!! There is no where you can actually get a decent meal in MacDonagh. There are 3 coffee shops that offer more or less the same thing.
    They need something mainstream, like the Kilkenny Cafe in the Market Cross. That's always busy. Why? Because it gives people what they actually want!

    I don't really shop much in Dunnes so I won't be going to MacDonagh as much at all now.
    They need to look at why the Fairgreen has been so successful; Free parking and a Tesco. Exactly what MacDonagh lacks!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭Firetrap


    Got to agree with you there. I had the misfortune of eating in one of the estasblishments in there one day and it wasn't good. The soup tasted kind of burnt and my friend's quiche was all dried up. It wasn't cheap either. There's nowhere up that end of town where you can go in during the daytime and get a nice reasonably priced bog standard dinner. I guess Foodworks would be the nearest to that and it's a bit fancier.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    Has there been any word on anything going into where Zavvi was?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭Firetrap


    Interesting article in today's Sunday Turbine (Link to the full article here)
    The rental downturn means some tenants are not paying rent and, in one case in Kilkenny, the landlord is now owed more than €600,000.

    The Sunday Tribune has obtained documents showing the rent arrears at MacDonagh Junction, a shopping centre in Kilkenny which opened in November 2007.

    "Tenant arrears are a significant issue for all retail centres at the moment, including MacDonagh Junction," according to documents recently circulated by stockbroking firm Davy, whose private clients invested in the centre.

    The total quarterly rent from the centre is €1.17m, including the Zavvi unit which surrendered its lease after going into liquidation. Davy's investors' share of the quarterly rent is 45.5%. The documents, seen by this newspaper, show that tenant rent arrears of more than 90 days stood at €284,000 in April, suggesting total rent arrears of more than €620,000. Five tenants account for more than 50% of the arrears, the documents state.

    Davy Private bought its share in the centre for nearly €69m including costs, and funded it using nearly €46m of bank debt and more than €23.1m of equity. The debt was provided by AIB with €40m fixed for 12.5 years at an all-in rate of 5.37%, €3.5m fixed for seven years at 6.24% and €2.3m on a three-month Euribor.

    Rent on the unlet units when the centre opened was underwritten by MacDonagh Junction Developments Limited (MJDL), which developed the centre, for two years as part of the deal. When the centre was bought, just under three-quarters of the units by area were let. That figure now stands at 80%, according to the documents.

    Three tenants at the shopping centre had entered examinership or administration or went into liquidation "and a number of other tenants are experiencing difficulty".

    They have drawn up a plan to recover the arrears, secure existing tenants and let vacant space, including the units where tenants may not survive.

    "The objective of the plan is to get the centre fully let, even if this means taking a temporary hit on rent," it states, adding that "tenants are being allowed pay rent quarterly on condition they're made on time".

    Davy told the investors that they expect to recover all of the arrears and also stated that Penneys is in advanced discussions to take the unit at the back of the centre, which would form its second phase.

    Davy also pointed out that MJDL continues to have obligations to the Davy investors. These include that Davy's investors have the option to "put any unlet units back on MJDL if unlet after two years for price they paid for them". In addition, if the vacant units are let at a "rent lower than what was capped up at, the purchase price is recalculated based on reduced rent and MJDL refunds the difference to investors". Finally, "MJDL is responsible for letting costs associated with the unlet units such as fit out costs and tenant incentives".

    The MacDonagh Junction case is by no means unique but is illustrative of the state of the market. Some shopping centres are seriously struggling, including one in the south-east where the anchor tenant is reputedly not even making its bread and milk quotas, a sign that footfall is nowhere near expectations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Bloody hell! I wonder is that Dunnes Stores?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Wonder where the other South East shopping centre is they are talking about? Might that new one over in Arklow, can't think of any other new ones that it could be.


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭PhilipMarlowe


    Great, so to go along with the Dunnes that we didn't really need, we are to have a Penneys in phase two to beautifully compliment the other Penneys that we already have... brilliant stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Licksy wrote: »
    Great, so to go along with the Dunnes that we didn't really need, we are to have a Penneys in phase two to beautifully compliment the other Penneys that we already have... brilliant stuff.

    Whats this about Phase two Licksy? Penneys is popular and cheap though. Always does well.

    Any word of the planned hotel?


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭PhilipMarlowe


    I don't know other than what I read above...
    "Davy told the investors that they expect to recover all of the arrears and also stated that Penneys is in advanced discussions to take the unit at the back of the centre, which would form its second phase."

    I always assumed that as you come out of Dunnes and turn right that there is a big wide corridor leading nowhere... that they would extend the centre out in that direction but i don't know how much room there is out there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Good man, I didn't read the article properly!


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Stephen wrote: »
    Greedy feckers. I guess they saw the council annihilating all the other free parking in town and thought they'd chance their arms.

    I'd imagine this is the case alright, that or perhaps they had load of people abusing it for thew free 2 hour stay because the council have fecked up everywhere else.

    Can take it either way in fairness


  • Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭zootroid


    mfitzy wrote: »
    Penneys is popular and cheap though. Always does well.

    Maybe. But whats the point in placing another there? People aren't going to break their shopping habits to go to the other side of town and shop in the same shop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭Deliverance XXV


    zootroid wrote: »
    Maybe. But whats the point in placing another there? People aren't going to break their shopping habits to go to the other side of town and shop in the same shop.

    It's sounds like a ploy to steal shoppers away from the Market Cross SC. The two anchor shops there are Superquinn and Penneys.
    Now MacDonagh Junction will have (presumably) Penneys and Dunnes. That's two pretty good anchors to have and it certainly will attract a different customer than what Zavvi offered. And probably more of them too.

    On a personal note: I want HMV, not another poxy Penneys :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭Firetrap


    I want a Tesco or a Marks & Spencer, not another Dunnezzzzzzzzzzz.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    More Shops are Planned to come soon. Some of them I never heard of...
    Sasha, the name, must have been bought out by somebody I see. HMV is the hightlight by a mile ;)

    http://www.kilkennyalive.com/story/85-new-jobs-macdonagh-junctions-christmas-present-kilkenny


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,477 ✭✭✭✭Raze_them_all


    There's always shops coming soon


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭cmpunk


    Why is there still no topmen/topshop up there that's what it needs badly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    hithere10 wrote: »
    Why is there still no topmen/topshop up there that's what it needs badly

    Probably because no decent retail chain wants to pay the outrageous rent prices here. If a stall in the middle of the floor costs 500 euros for a weekend the rent for an actual store unit must be out of this world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Would like to see Burger King (for the odd treat), couple of designer menswear like Tommy Hilfiger, Lacoste, H&M that kinda thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Hope the Carrig Donn is not a closure of their High St store and merely moving over?? They surely have a good tourist trade going near the Castle and all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭KatCookie


    I think that the article doesnt clearly state that they are actually creating a new Carrig Donn shop in MacDonagh, it seems to me that Carrig Donn might just be expanding their shop on High Street and it just got added to that article...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭just-wonderin


    KatCookie wrote: »
    I think that the article doesnt clearly state that they are actually creating a new Carrig Donn shop in MacDonagh, it seems to me that Carrig Donn might just be expanding their shop on High Street and it just got added to that article...

    was there today Carrig Doon are going in where Tom Tailor was it's going to be a second shop they will have in kilkenny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,484 ✭✭✭✭Stephen


    Tell me, is there still no free parking in McDonagh Junction?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Stephen wrote: »
    Tell me, is there still no free parking in McDonagh Junction?

    No Steph, it's €1 per hour. Think it's 5 for the day or something.
    And you get a free hour if you €10 in Dunnes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Just see BB's Coffee shop is opening over there...just what they need, another crappy over priced coffee joint. Do they not have focus groups there or listen to what people are saying. Bar Eddie Rocketts there is no where decent to eat over there (even Eddie's is debatable but I like to go there the odd time and they have a meal deal at last).


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