Cyclists, Go use the footpad.

One Cold Hand · 04-12-2008 10:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

grand.

now honestly, which do you think is safer? road or empty footpath ( i think that's what i should call it )

forget legalities etc. which is safer?

Cyclists on the footpath is dangerous for pedestrian. Surely you realise that.
But you probably don't give a fock about them either you do?

Corruptedmorals · 04-12-2008 10:41pm

paulgreene wrote: »

well, for sure a remark from someone not cycling....

Ha so? You should still stop when the light is red and not tear through crowds of pedestrians. Cycling from Leixlip would absolutely suck, I can see myself getting mangled on the N4 between Liffey Valley and Palmerstown now..

Stark · 04-12-2008 10:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Seriously, I'm sick of driving along, getting caught behind a guy on a bike and having to overtake him dangerously.. seems to have happened to me constantly all week. all while there's a six foot wide footpad to his left with no one on it.

Learn to drive and you might not have to overtake "dangerously". And learn to spell "footpath".

One Cold Hand wrote:

Also why should cyclists pay tax? There's no carbon emissions from a bike so their not polluting the atmosphere. And they do basically zero damage to the roads, not like the soccer moms driving their fat SUV's 50 yards down the road to drop their fat kids to school.

To add to that: cyclists do pay taxes. Road funding comes from the income tax/vat pool. Saying that cyclists shouldn't have access to roads because they don't pay tax is like saying that non-smokers shouldn't have access to the health service because they don't pay cigarette duty.

04-12-2008 10:41pm

One Cold Hand wrote: »

Don't blame the cyclists, the vast majority are safe competent cyclists.

Blame our retarded incompetent government for not building more cycle lanes while the ecomony was booming and we had the money. Now that we're in recession we're stuck with shit road and no cycle lane

Also why should cyclists pay tax? There's no carbon emissions from a bike so their not polluting the atmosphere. And they do basically zero damage to the roads, not like the soccer moms driving their fat SUV's 50 yards down the road to drop their fat kids to school.

i agree with everything here.. i know there shouldn't be a cyclist tax cause i think there should be cyclist lanes. they work so well in europe.

connundrum · 04-12-2008 10:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

grand.

now honestly, which do you think is safer? road or empty footpath ( i think that's what i should call it )

forget legalities etc. which is safer?

Road, once the cyclist is correctly equipped with lights and glow in the dark thingys.

A pedestrian walking on a footpath will have to step onto wet grass/onto the road (more dangerous again)/off a cliff side (most dangerous) in order to let a cyclist pass.

Cyclists belong in cycle lanes or on the road. Pedestrians belong on the footpath.

Done and dusted.

Move along folks, nowt to see here.

fletch... · 04-12-2008 10:43pm

CheGuedara wrote: »

Just making the point.

Now hang on i wasnt threataning or saying im gonna go running cyclists over or anything, just making a point, as a long time biker i have been slammed into on numerouse occasions by cyclists (the proper ones with all the gear) and knocked over, have had a mirror ripped off my car while stationary at lights, had cyclists swerve out infront of the car a lot - but it will be the motorists fault for hitting them? and this thread would be evidence against the motorist? are you for real?

Saibh · 04-12-2008 10:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

seems to have happened to me constantly all week.

i can just see it now all the cyclists are going to make sure from now on they will intentionally cycle in front of you*

maybe there is more cyclists for a reason
- recession
- trying to lose the few pounds in anticipation of all the nice food they will have christmas week

*but first they have to find out who you are;)

RacoonQueen · 04-12-2008 10:44pm

swingking wrote: »

Few things about "some" cyclists.

1. Please use the cycle lanes when there are cycle lanes available to use. The other day I was driving along and some tosser thinks he would rather cycle on the road even though there was a perfectly good cycle lane beside him AND there was a footpath.

2. Please make yourselves visable at night. Road users don't have super powers to be able to see in the dark like they are wearing night vision goggles.

3. When the lights go red please stop. Just because you are not a chunk of metal does not mean you can zip through a red traffic light and carry on normally at a fast speed.

Also, the cyclist groups give out so much about not having enough safety when cycling in the city and how they fear for their lives. how many do you see wearing helmets. Do they not realise that as soon as they are thrown off their bikes they could fall on their unprotected heads and suffer brain damage.

Hey, I can play this too.

1. Cycle lanes are for bikes, once you stop parking and driving on them we won't have to swerve out onto the 'road'.

2. Cycle lanes are lanes on the road like any other. If we are on it, it is NOT OK to turn left and cut us out so we have to jam on our breaks and nearly kill ourselves.

3. Some cycle lanes end abruptly, There's nothing we can do.

4. On roundabouts, if you are behind us/ahead of us it is NOT OK to cut accross us.

5. On roundabout, it is NOT OK for you to zoom out of your entrance just as we get to it, we are on the roundabout first, WE have right of way.

6. You don't get to honk your horn at us just for the sake of it. Stop being a c**t.

7. Roads without cycle lanes are usually wide enough for both of us, stop hugging the curb so that we can't get by. Move the f**k over, if we hit your mirror because we can't slow down on time, tough s**t.

8. We have as much right to be on the road as you do. Stop acting like c**ts.

9. Stop sitting behind us for ages, driving slowly when we're over as far as we can be, not swerving and being safe. Driving slow behind us is just annoying/makes you nervous and makes things more dangerous. (This mostly applies to older women)

10. When we're in the right hand lane, because we're turning right, it's not OK to beep at us. We're allowed to be there.

11. Most of us try to be as safe as possible, every time WE go out on the roads, we take our lives into our hands. You lot break the rules of the road as do we. Everyone does it but you f**kers do it WAY more than us. Anytime I do something remotely dangerous 99% of the time it's because I'm trying to avoid something some moron motorist has done. You lot REALLY need to learn the rules of the road.

I have LOADS more, if you want.

04-12-2008 10:45pm

One Cold Hand wrote: »

Cyclists on the footpath is dangerous for pedestrian. Surely you realise that.
But you probably don't give a fock about them either you do?

i give a fock about cyclists and pedestrians, thus this whole focking thread about which is safer for them. and i specifically said "empty footpath.

Stark wrote: »

Learn to drive and you might not have to overtake "dangerously". And learn to spell "footpath".

i grew up with the word "footpad". and learn to drive? all these deaths on the roads all the time, are you gonna stand there and proclaim, "they shoulda learned to drive"

accidents happen.

emeraldstar · 04-12-2008 10:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

hey roundtower, i'm a tard now? it's a pretty legitimate argument that i think footpaths are safer for cyclists

and wishing me to get into a minor accident? and get owned in court? fuck you.

and boards.ie used as evidence? what exactly is written in this thread that caused me to get into that minor accident? in the future?

But then what about the pedestrians?

Nerin · 04-12-2008 10:46pm

Op-use a bus.

04-12-2008 10:50pm

mp1972 wrote: »

11. Most of us try to be as safe as possible, every time WE go out on the roads, we take our lives into our hands. You lot break the rules of the road as do we. Everyone does it but you f**kers do it WAY more than us. Anytime I do something remotely dangerous 99% of the time it's because I'm trying to avoid something some moron motorist has done. You lot REALLY need to learn the rules of the road.

i honestly don't think i've broken a rule of the road driving in the last week.. i religiously keep to speed limits, i know exactly how to use roundabouts, i never run red lights.. etc.

cyclists break rules constantly by the small fact that only about 1% of cyclists use hand signals and wear luminous clothing.

E@gle. · 04-12-2008 10:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

don't see cyclists paying "cycle tax"..

and the point of my post is that it's still dangerous. In europe, they have cycles lanes on footpads in the middle of cities like.. that in my opinion is a much better option.

yoo wouldn't go far in europe with that attitute

and footpad?

Stark · 04-12-2008 10:51pm

Deleted User wrote:

now honestly, which do you think is safer? road or empty footpath ( i think that's what i should call it )

forget legalities etc. which is safer?

Hitting pedestrians aside, most cyclists happen at junctions not on straight stretches of road. Cycling on the footpath means cycling past many driveways and side roads where a fast approaching cyclist is not likely to be seen by an emerging motorist who's only expecting pedestrians on the footpath.

04-12-2008 10:51pm

emeraldstar wrote: »

But then what about the pedestrians?

again, i specifically said many times.. outside city centre on empty footpaths.

robinph · 04-12-2008 10:52pm

Saibh wrote: »

*but first they have to find out who you are;)

Cyclists have been deliberately targeting any G registered cars for years and getting in their way as much as possible, especially when there are padfoots around.

CheGuedara · 04-12-2008 10:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

grand.

now honestly, which do you think is safer? road or empty footpath ( i think that's what i should call it )

forget legalities etc. which is safer?

The footpath is a moot point - it is not an option. The road is absolutely safe - bad drivers, with poor understanding of the laws applying to motoring in the country, capability and awareness behind the wheel and limited if any appreciation for usually neither the pedestrian nor cyclist is the risk factor. I include pedestrian as claims that cyclist should stay on footpaths (empty or otherwise), made for pedestrians, places pedestrians in an increased risk situation.

The simple fact of the debate is this;

1. Footpaths are for pedestrian use only.
2. Cyclist are not pedestrians, this precludes them from using footpaths.
3. The road is not only for cars and motor vehicles. It is also for cyclists.

QED

emeraldstar · 04-12-2008 10:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

again, i specifically said many times.. outside city centre on empty footpaths.

They'd only have footpaths where there are pedestrians...

DirkVoodoo · 04-12-2008 10:54pm

This thread goes beyond stupid at times.

Do yourself a favour "ads by google", take the dart/bus/luas, you obviously struggle to function in normal traffic situations.

To answer your borderline moronic question, i feel safer on the road for the reasons stark mentioned, I'm more visible and less likely to be taken out by someone reversing out of their driveway, plus its illegal.

Since you are obviously a model motorist though I'm sure you have some excellent retort.

RacoonQueen · 04-12-2008 10:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

i honestly don't think i've broken a rule of the road driving in the last week.. i religiously keep to speed limits, i know exactly how to use roundabouts, i never run red lights.. etc.

cyclists break rules constantly by the small fact that only about 1% of cyclists use hand signals and wear luminous clothing.

I'm sure you haven't

What bull.

swingking · 04-12-2008 10:55pm

mp1972 wrote: »

Hey, I can play this too.

1. Cycle lanes are for bikes, once you stop parking and driving on them we won't have to swerve out onto the 'road'.

2. Cycle lanes are lanes on the road like any other. If we are on it, it is NOT OK to turn left and cut us out so we have to jam on our breaks and nearly kill ourselves.

3. Some cycle lanes end abruptly, There's nothing we can do.

4. On roundabouts, if you are behind us/ahead of us it is NOT OK to cut accross us.

5. On roundabout, it is NOT OK for you to zoom out of your entrance just as we get to it, we are on the roundabout first, WE have right of way.

6. You don't get to honk your horn at us just for the sake of it. Stop being a c**t.

7. Roads without cycle lanes are usually wide enough for both of us, stop hugging the curb so that we can't get by. Move the f**k over, if we hit your mirror because we can't slow down on time, tough s**t.

8. We have as much right to be on the road as you do. Stop acting like c**ts.

9. Stop sitting behind us for ages, driving slowly when we're over as far as we can be, not swerving and being safe. Driving slow behind us is just annoying/makes you nervous and makes things more dangerous. (This mostly applies to older women)

10. When we're in the right hand lane, because we're turning right, it's not OK to beep at us. We're allowed to be there.

11. Most of us try to be as safe as possible, every time WE go out on the roads, we take our lives into our hands. You lot break the rules of the road as do we. Everyone does it but you f**kers do it WAY more than us. Anytime I do something remotely dangerous 99% of the time it's because I'm trying to avoid something some moron motorist has done. You lot REALLY need to learn the rules of the road.

I have LOADS more, if you want.

Jesus man chillout!! You sound very bitter. I was only pointing out the behaviours of "some" cyclists. Most cyclists are really decent when on the roads and obey the rules really well. Serious chip on the shoulder there about motorists.

DirkVoodoo · 04-12-2008 10:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

accidents happen.

Especially when you are around I imagine.

Also, where is this 1% figure coming from, is there any more horse-sh*t you would like to spread on this thread or do you think its nearly full?

RacoonQueen · 04-12-2008 10:58pm

swingking wrote: »

Serious chip on the shoulder there about motorists.

Of course I do, I nearly get killed about 10 times in the 20 minute cycle to/from work and I'm VERY careful on the roads.

Sharpshooter · 04-12-2008 10:58pm

Nerin wrote: »

Op-use a bus.

As long as the Op is standing in a bus shelter he should be safe enough.
Op it is called a footpath for a reason.:)

Stark · 04-12-2008 11:00pm

mp1972 wrote:

9. Stop sitting behind us for ages, driving slowly when we're over as far as we can be, not swerving and being safe. Driving slow behind us is just annoying/makes you nervous and makes things more dangerous. (This mostly applies to older women)

While I agree with everything else that you said, you can't expect people to rush into overtaking you. I've occasionally had to sit behind a cyclist for ages because the road was too narrow to overtake safely. Personally I think I'm being considerate by not trying to squeeze past, even if the occasional soft mettled cyclist finds it annoying/unnerving.

04-12-2008 11:00pm

i give up.. but if i do hit a cyclist, i'll post in PI for ye.

DirkVoodoo · 04-12-2008 11:02pm

Do yourself a favour, unplug the keyboard, turn off the PC and flush your keys down the toilet.

emeraldstar · 04-12-2008 11:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

i give up.. but if i do hit a cyclist, i'll post in PI for ye.

We'll be waiting.

04-12-2008 11:05pm

i'll do two of those things.. except the keys down the toilet.

i don't know where this me being a bad driver thing came from? just cause i think it's dangerous passing out cyclists sometimes..

and i think everyone agrees a cycle lane is the best option.. not the current situation.

RacoonQueen · 04-12-2008 11:06pm

Stark wrote: »

While I agree with everything else that you said, you can't expect people to rush into overtaking you. I've occasionally had to sit behind a cyclist for ages because the road was too narrow to overtake safely. Personally I think I'm being considerate by not trying to squeeze past, even if the occasional soft mettled cyclist finds it annoying/unnerving.

I am of course talking about roads which are wide enough to 'overtake' on. It usually doesn't even involve overtaking, just sticking to your part of the road.

MizzLolly · 04-12-2008 11:06pm

Eh.. No!! Stay on the road where you're supposed to be. It's one thing that really, really, really bugs me actually, stop cycling on the f*cking footpaths! :mad:

also, as much as I hate the w@ankers who cycle on footpaths, I think some motorists are so inconsiderate to cyclists. I seen TWO hit n runs in one month (September) this year. Ridiculous. :eek:

One Cold Hand · 04-12-2008 11:12pm

MizzLolly wrote: »

also, as much as I hate the w@ankers who cycle on footpaths, I think some motorists are so inconsiderate to cyclists. I seen TWO hit n runs in one month (September) this year. Ridiculous. :eek:

Was it Ads by Google by any chance?;):D

04-12-2008 11:14pm

One Cold Hand wrote: »

Was it Ads by Google by any chance?;):D

i was in 3 so chances are high... :rolleyes:

not actually true before people start saying this thread can be used as legal evidence.. again.

MizzLolly · 04-12-2008 11:15pm

One Cold Hand wrote: »

Was it Ads by Google by any chance?;):D

I dunno, each of them drove off too quickly and left the poor feckers mangled in their bikes!!

Niallface · 04-12-2008 11:17pm

WHY DON'T YOU USE THE FOOTPAD??

Macha · 04-12-2008 11:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

i don't know where this me being a bad driver thing came from? just cause i think it's dangerous passing out cyclists sometimes..

Hmm, gee. I dunno, maybe your advice to your fellow road-users to just hop up on the pavement (read: footpad) and mow down a few pedestrians? Just a guess.

Deleted User wrote: »

and i think everyone agrees a cycle lane is the best option.. not the current situation.

Actually the DTO don't think that cycle lanes are the best solution

Niallface · 04-12-2008 11:20pm

i live in the city and i'm sick and tired of having to squeeze past the long line of idiling cars in traffic on my bike when their squashed into the cycle lane
It works both ways fourwheels

SomeFool · 04-12-2008 11:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

i grew up with the word "footpad".
accidents happen.

Really???
Your a pretty unconvincing grown-up.

Alanstrainor · 04-12-2008 11:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

again, i specifically said many times.. outside city centre on empty footpaths.

And what about the pedestrian walking out of his/her front gate with the cyclists flying by at 40km/h what about them? OP grow up, and have some respect.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 04-12-2008 11:30pm

Look, cycling on the footpath is not an option. Ever. It's not allowed. It's dangerous and no serious cyclist would even consider doing it. It's the same as riding a motorbike on the footpath. It's not happening. No matter where.

Deleted User wrote: »

my bonnet is harder than you

I don't think it's a good idea to be saying stuff like that in a public forum.

randylonghorn · 04-12-2008 11:32pm

fletch... wrote: »

now if i was to bump into or over a cyclist in my gigantic 4x4 while on a road which is made for cars it would be a different story alltogether.

Roads are NOT just "made for cars" ... there's the basic flaw in your thinking right there.

Deleted User wrote: »

i give up

\o/

Deleted User wrote: »

i don't know where this me being a bad driver thing came from? just cause i think it's dangerous passing out cyclists sometimes.

It might be the demand that cyclists cycle illegally on the highwayman, sorry, pavement ... or your admission that you have been constantly "getting caught behind a guy on a bike and having to overtake him dangerously" rather than waiting until you could overtake him safely.

Btw, I would acknowledge that there are some really scary / stupid cyclists as well as some really scary / stupid drivers ... but the existence of eejits in one group doesn't give the other group carte blanche to ignore the rules of the road.

And when all is said and done, in a confrontation between a bicycle and a car, the bicycle is at a disadvantage to say the least!

RacoonQueen · 04-12-2008 11:35pm

Niallface wrote: »

i live in the city and i'm sick and tired of having to squeeze past the long line of idiling cars in traffic on my bike when their squashed into the cycle lane
It works both ways fourwheels

Me too, having to slow down, put one foot on the footpad and scoot yourself along. Annoying as hell.

Mint Sauce · 04-12-2008 11:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

again, i specifically said many times.. outside city centre on empty footpaths.

becuase no one lives outside the city centres?

all that wasted money making footpaths could have gone to better use if their empty

Sharpshooter · 04-12-2008 11:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

hey roundtower, i'm a tard now? it's a pretty legitimate argument that i think footpaths are safer for cyclists

and wishing me to get into a minor accident? and get owned in court? fuck you.

and boards.ie used as evidence? what exactly is written in this thread that caused me to get into that minor accident? in the future?

Well some of what's written in this post by you could get you
banned Op , people in here are trying to take you seriously , and help to get certain things through to you .
Try to take it on board.

towel401 · 04-12-2008 11:40pm

In Soviet Russia, the footpad uses you!

4zn76tysfajdxp · 04-12-2008 11:40pm

The cyclists on Shop Street in Galway annoy me. It's a pedestrianised street damn it, get out and fúcking walk. Hippies.

randylonghorn · 04-12-2008 11:42pm

Kyleigh Sparse Lambaste wrote: »

The cyclists on Shop Street in Galway annoy me. It's a pedestrianised street damn it, get out and fúcking walk. Hippies.

Aaaah ... now THERE I totally agree with you!!

johntreacy · 05-12-2008 12:00am

One Cold Hand wrote: »

Don't blame the cyclists, the vast majority are safe competent cyclists.

Blame our retarded incompetent government for not building more cycle lanes while the ecomony was booming and we had the money. Now that we're in recession we're stuck with shit road and no cycle lane

Also why should cyclists pay tax? There's no carbon emissions from a bike so their not polluting the atmosphere. And they do basically zero damage to the roads, not like the soccer moms driving their fat SUV's 50 yards down the road to drop their fat kids to school.

I as a motorist pay road tax for building new roads and the upkeep of existing one's, therefore cyclists should pay tax for making cycle lanes. I don't expect something for nothing so why should you.

DirkVoodoo · 05-12-2008 12:02am

johntreacy wrote: »

I as a motorist pay road tax for building new roads and the upkeep of existing one's, therefore cyclists should pay tax for making cycle lanes. I don't expect something for nothing so why should you.

Might want to do some research there and realise how exactly roads are paid for.

johntreacy · 05-12-2008 12:10am

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Might want to do some research there and realise how exactly roads are paid for.

Fair point, but from what i have read here is that cyclists want more cycle lanes and don't want to contribute in anyway towards them. There has been a good point made that the government wasted money in the good times and no cycle lanes created where they should have been but then again there was a lot thing's not done correctly in the past few years.

Cyclists, Go use the footpad.

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