So our education system suffers because of rich old people

axel rose wrote: »

Agree with fighting irish here. A lot of these 'rich' oaps were paying some of the highest levels of tax back in the 1980s, (I think it was 54%-too tired to check).
Many were paying mortages when interest was at 16%. They were the ones that were keeping the country up when the last recession was at its worst. (That would be the recession when people were actually poor and not in debt).
The least that can be done is that the government can look after their health in later years.
As for the crap that there are elderly millionaires using medical cards....whatever dude :rolleyes:. The reality is that they would be availing of their private healthcare. I wonder how many of these millionaire oaps have actually applied for the medical card?

some were here, however some were not here during the 1980s, my mother is a housekeeper for a pair (brother and sister) who spent their life in england and have houses all the place (sold one for 250k two years ago), never worked a day in ireland come back home and get a medical card and abuse the system completely now they have it

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Bif of a contradiction there: one minute you're nosey wnough to look though teachers timetables, the next you couldn't care less...?
Why don't you take the oppertunity now to ask Janey?

Ah ya see, I only want to see what they end up doing all day just to see what they have to do compared to the students, I couldnt give a crap how long they spend correcting my work or planning lessons tbh(No offence intended to any teachers btw)

janeybabe wrote: »

You're right....there are days when teachers have less than 8 classes a day. The free classes are usually for planning and correcting. I would rarely sit down for a chat!

yeah, and what time does your working day finish? how many months paid holidays do you get per annum? planning and correcting?! lol most of the "correcting" my homework etc. got involved about 5 ticks and some random mark that popped into the teachers head.
serious amount of incompetent teachers out there imo who have no right to be "educating" anybody.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I'm sure you'll be backing that last statement up and citing examples...?

why would i do that? i said imo, so it's hardly like i'm stating it as fact or anything. from my own personal experience though, and from talking to friends who went to different schools, there are a lot of incompetent teachers in secondary schools in this country. some of my teachers were actually a serious joke, coming in late constantly etc.

Trotter wrote: »

Its fine to criticise teachers, just be accurate in what you're moaning about. It takes hours to mark work if its done right, and very few do 5 out of 9 every day. Thats just made up. Criticise away, but get the facts right first.

Anyway, the old "you get too much money and holidays" nugget I see all the time on boards is just odd. Its not like people who come up with that were banned from teaching. Do the postgrad, get the holidays and the huge money! Its that easy! Honest!

hey here now, Im not making this up people, I have seen most of my teachers timetables one way or another atleast 6 or 7 have 5 (Some of them even have 4 classes on some days).

Lesson planning is surely not that horrifyingly difficult and most if not all my teachers seem to make it up on the fly (works well too)

Correcting i gotta agree with though especially for English teachers and the subjects where essays can and will stretch out to 8 pages long EACH, But its not as if they have a deadline to get the homework corrected by, my english teacher for example took 2 months to get our copies back.

Trotter wrote: »

Its fine to criticise teachers, just be accurate in what you're moaning about. It takes hours to mark work if its done right, and very few do 5 out of 9 every day. Thats just made up. Criticise away, but get the facts right first.

Anyway, the old "you get too much money and holidays" nugget I see all the time on boards is just odd. Its not like people who come up with that were banned from teaching. Do the postgrad, get the holidays and the huge money! Its that easy! Honest!

postgrad?! huh?! not all of my teachers had postgrads that's for sure! have the regulations changed or something?

Shmuck wrote: »

Because rich people over 70 just don't feel like paying for medical cards god bless them, our education system, one of the key factors in the celtic tiger will suffer.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/budgeteducation.html

Because rich people who could easily afford to pay for medical cards bitched and moaned, there is now no chance of the government backtracking on their plans to increase class sizes. The long term competetiveness of our economy will now be dramatically reduced. It's widely accepted that improvements in our education system was one of the main reasons in our economic boom.

But sure what do old people care, they only care about number one, **** everyone else, **** the future of Ireland, they'll all be dead and buried when the **** really hits the fan so what do they care. Selfish bastards :mad:

I'm gonna ****in deck the next old person I see on the street.

I think you'll find if you check that the concessions to the building industry in the budget far exceed in value the savings that would have been made from removing medical cards from over 70s or from the education cutbacks, but in all the furore over the medical cards, people seem to have missed the fact that given a choice between our children, our elderly, our lowest paid workers and our builders, the builders were the clear winners, while the other three were 'put to the sword' with attempted cutbacks(some now partially reversed).

If Fianna Fail had given a bit less to the building industry, they could have avoided the other issues altogether, but the builders paid for their tent in Galway and now they're collecting their dues.

Shmuck wrote: »

But sure what do old people care, they only care about number one, **** everyone else, **** the future of Ireland, they'll all be dead and buried when the **** really hits the fan so what do they care. Selfish bastards :mad:

I'm gonna ****in deck the next old person I see on the street.

Nah, sorry can't see the connection myself no matter how hard I try but we shouldn't let that get in the way of a very fine rant.
Be careful now you might meet these.

Teaching is a great life from what my old teachers told me. Most had all their lessons planned out on their laptops from the moment the curriculum is set. One of these teachers, who i'm friends with now, just revises these lessons slighltly for a curriculum change. Correcting can be upto 4 or 5 hours extra per week for him on top of classes. Now he would be one of the organised teachers i had. I had a couple though who were blatently disorganised and often told us how 'hard' and 'stressful' teaching is. Whilst the teachers i would chat too who are organised would say how great their job is. Its not a walk in the park because unlike some teachers in Ireland, it was expected to get decent results from your students in state exams. Also of course they could have students who may not be 'academic' and need extra help, these are the unquantifiable things they don't show up in the pay slip.

Between his regular teaching salary, supervision, rugby coaching, doing a few grinds a week and doing bits of work in his holidays he gets 65,000 a year. Not bad money really when you think about it for his age(in and around 40).

hopalong85 wrote: »

yup. i certainly did say it was my opinion. "imo" is short for "in my opinion". my experiences and the experiences of many other people who went to different schools are that there are a serious amount of incompetent teachers in irish secondary schools.

i'm not spiteful at all lol. i did fine in in my leaving, but that was down to me, not my teachers. hey, i might even become a teacher myself someday, 3 months paid holidays every summer, that would rock man! not to mention thos tax free cash in hand grind classes!

My apologies, you did. What can I say - it's late?! I'd still do a LOT more research into the amount of time spent on outside-classroom work before you commited you future to it, though. I think most of the bad teachers you were referring to were the ones that went into it for the exact same resons you're thinking of going into it for.

Teachers do great work, and sure the holidays are brilliant, but there's a lot of estra work involved. As you settle into the school, in terms of experience, it gets to the point of devoting less time to planning classes.

I have one teacher, close to retirement, does feck all work outside of class times, and is a good teacher. I have another teacher who is brilliant, spends hours everyday correcting essays. I can hand up a 10 page document to her, and she'll have it back to me the next day corrected, just like a leaving cert exam.

However, the decision to slash extra budgets to the schools are full of bullshít. I was in favour of tightening the belt, because I said thats what was required to wake us up, and get the country actually working again, but what the government have done has just penalized us students by removing all our grants, and laying off alomost all the subteachers.

Education is taught completely wrong anyway, and the lack of technology infrastructure, home access to internet, and traditional linear teaching methods, means that the work that students do, the study, the revision, is being disregarded because it's been taught wrong and students aren't being told the correct ways to learn. The whole 5 year post-primary cycle is based around the two different bursts of 1.5 week long exams. So essentially, you spend 5 years, or sometimes even 6 years at school, just to get past 3 weeks of exams.

Budget, or no budget, the public service is arseways, and this is just highlighting the lack of ability of the education service throughout the country, and the defecincies we had. In the 'good times', we spent millions, if not billions of euro 'researching' stupid subjects, rather than reforming bullet holes, defecencies and training teachers correctly.

Moral of the story, the whole fúcking department is a shambles, and the budget '09 only highlighted it. Education system suffers because of laziness, and overpaid stupidity, lack of leadership and organisation, inexperienced politicians at the top of the system, and a budget '09 that looks like it was created by a 19 year old non-smoker, beer drinker with no job, on the dole.