So our education system suffers because of rich old people

Shmuck · 22-10-2008 06:50PM #1

Because rich people over 70 just don't feel like paying for medical cards god bless them, our education system, one of the key factors in the celtic tiger will suffer.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/budgeteducation.html

Because rich people who could easily afford to pay for medical cards bitched and moaned, there is now no chance of the government backtracking on their plans to increase class sizes. The long term competetiveness of our economy will now be dramatically reduced. It's widely accepted that improvements in our education system was one of the main reasons in our economic boom.

But sure what do old people care, they only care about number one, **** everyone else, **** the future of Ireland, they'll all be dead and buried when the **** really hits the fan so what do they care. Selfish bastards :mad:

I'm gonna ****in deck the next old person I see on the street.

amacachi · 22-10-2008 06:52PM

Yeah, hit an old person, hilarious.

The original propsal was a joke, but I think the limit has been set a bit too high now.

Maybe if teachers did more than 5 out of 9 classes a day it would be possible to have smaller class sizes?

FX Meister · 22-10-2008 06:52PM

seems like you're only thinking of yourself too.

jhegarty · 22-10-2008 06:53PM

Stop bitching on here and organize a protest...

FX Meister · 22-10-2008 06:53PM

amacachi wrote: »

Maybe if teachers did more than 5 out of 9 classes a day it would be possible to have smaller class sizes?

Yeah, cause classes are all a teacher has to do. :rolleyes:

Shmuck · 22-10-2008 06:57PM

FX Meister wrote: »

seems like you're only thinking of yourself too.

How am I only thinking of myself? I've said before on here I would accept to be taxed a lot more than I currently do and I earn just slightly more than minimum pay.

amacachi · 22-10-2008 07:01PM

FX Meister wrote: »

Yeah, cause classes are all a teacher has to do. :rolleyes:

Half an hour of marking a day as well I suppose.

I forgot it's blasphemy to criticise teachers.

partyatmygaff · 22-10-2008 07:07PM

Still in school in a class of 30

Dont see any harm in making classes a bit bigger, As long as you have a competent teacher that can control the class and force people to learn (i.e. an asshole that instills the fear of god in you and make you learn by force).

amacachi · 22-10-2008 07:09PM

A bit of streaming depending on ability would sort a lot of things out, but that's just seen as discrimination these days. Even in the UK where it exists it's on the verge of being phased out.

Conor108 · 22-10-2008 07:12PM

Ah well, I wont do medicine just to spite those old people*:D lets see how useful those cads are then!

*Also ridiculous points (585-ish FFS)

genericgoon · 22-10-2008 07:12PM

Shmuck wrote: »

Because rich people over 70 just don't feel like paying for medical cards god bless them, our education system, one of the key factors in the celtic tiger will suffer.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/budgeteducation.html

Because rich people who could easily afford to pay for medical cards bitched and moaned, there is now no chance of the government backtracking on their plans to increase class sizes. The long term competetiveness of our economy will now be dramatically reduced. It's widely accepted that improvements in our education system was one of the main reasons in our economic boom.

But sure what do old people care, they only care about number one, **** everyone else, **** the future of Ireland, they'll all be dead and buried when the **** really hits the fan so what do they care. Selfish bastards :mad:

I'm gonna ****in deck the next old person I see on the street.

Children can't vote. Who gives a crap about them?

gazzer · 22-10-2008 07:28PM

Shmuck wrote: »

Because rich people over 70 just don't feel like paying for medical cards god bless them, our education system, one of the key factors in the celtic tiger will suffer.

I'm gonna ****in deck the next old person I see on the street.

Totally wrong. The reason that our education system is suffering is because the gob****es in government squandered all of that money that was generated during the celtic tiger away. In a way the government are lucky that the global credit crunch happened cos if it hadnt it would have been blatantly obvious how they fcuked up our economy. We went from being (apparantly) the most successful contry in the EU to the first one to have a recession. Bertie Ahern telling people to buy houses cos they were great value and that the boom would only get 'boomier' and so many people bought into it and bought houses for vastly overpriced houses which meant huge tax takes coming in to the governments coffers. They knew that it couldnt go on forever but did they budget and put money aside.. did they fcuk.

If they government had'nt decided to bail out their builder buddies by giving them 1.65 billion in the form of the sub prime Home Choice Loans then they could have used that money to reduce class sizes.

Stark · 22-10-2008 07:28PM

Shmuck wrote: »

I'm gonna ****in deck the next old person I see on the street.

The correct term is "old dear".

4Xcut · 22-10-2008 08:09PM

FX Meister wrote: »

Yeah, cause classes are all a teacher has to do. :rolleyes:

Although they have to mark homework, set exams and so on, their day officially end at around 4. Not only this but they get months and months off, paid. Why not have them mark state exams in the summer, speed that process up? They have excellent perks on mortgages, excellent wages, etc.

The problem with teachers in this country is that a lot of them seem to fall into it after oing arts. I would think that its common enough that someone does arts, decides to teach for a few years untill they decide what they want to do and ends up staying for the cushy job rather than actually genuinely wanting to teach.

ntlbell · 22-10-2008 08:13PM

FX Meister wrote: »

Yeah, cause classes are all a teacher has to do. :rolleyes:

No they have to tan themselves for 2/3 months a year at my expense also :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

axel rose · 22-10-2008 08:17PM

Shmuck, I think you messed up on the title of this thread......The education system suffers because the the horsey set are too good to pay tax on their millions. As for the "artists"...:rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills · 22-10-2008 08:41PM

Shmuck wrote: »

Because rich people over 70 just don't feel like paying for medical cards god bless them, our education system, one of the key factors in the celtic tiger will suffer.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/budgeteducation.html

Because rich people who could easily afford to pay for medical cards bitched and moaned, there is now no chance of the government backtracking on their plans to increase class sizes. The long term competetiveness of our economy will now be dramatically reduced. It's widely accepted that improvements in our education system was one of the main reasons in our economic boom.

But sure what do old people care, they only care about number one, **** everyone else, **** the future of Ireland, they'll all be dead and buried when the **** really hits the fan so what do they care. Selfish bastards :mad:

I'm gonna ****in deck the next old person I see on the street.

Would you go out and kill babies because the mi*cky money is not means tested?.

You should blame those that sh*tted on their own door step and wound up every old one in the country over the age of 70 just for the sake of getting in.

Fighting Irish · 22-10-2008 08:58PM

So why work hard all your life and be sensible with your money? I could just do as little as possible and let the gov cover my bill?
What do you class as rich? A lot of middle class people will be hit by this.

Shmuck wrote: »

Because rich people over 70 just don't feel like paying for medical cards god bless them, our education system, one of the key factors in the celtic tiger will suffer.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/budgeteducation.html

Because rich people who could easily afford to pay for medical cards bitched and moaned, there is now no chance of the government backtracking on their plans to increase class sizes. The long term competetiveness of our economy will now be dramatically reduced. It's widely accepted that improvements in our education system was one of the main reasons in our economic boom.

But sure what do old people care, they only care about number one, **** everyone else, **** the future of Ireland, they'll all be dead and buried when the **** really hits the fan so what do they care. Selfish bastards :mad:

I'm gonna ****in deck the next old person I see on the street.

axel rose · 22-10-2008 09:22PM

Agree with fighting irish here. A lot of these 'rich' oaps were paying some of the highest levels of tax back in the 1980s, (I think it was 54%-too tired to check).
Many were paying mortages when interest was at 16%. They were the ones that were keeping the country up when the last recession was at its worst. (That would be the recession when people were actually poor and not in debt).
The least that can be done is that the government can look after their health in later years.
As for the crap that there are elderly millionaires using medical cards....whatever dude :rolleyes:. The reality is that they would be availing of their private healthcare. I wonder how many of these millionaire oaps have actually applied for the medical card?

Piste · 22-10-2008 09:52PM

Sick poor people are more important than sick old people, the money the government saves from the withdrawal of medical cards for over 75s should be put towards the people who need it most- the people who genuinely can't afford it.

Of course some over 75s would automaically fall into this group too so they'd be covered and old people who can afford to pay will have to pay.

Either healthcare should be automatically free for everyone or it should be automatically free for no one, and only given for free to people who can't afford it.

Toto Wolfcastle · 22-10-2008 10:26PM

Lmao at people who think teachers only teach 5 classes a day! I have 8 tomorrow and by the time I sit into the car I'll be wrecked, but I'll still have to go home and correct tests and copies.

And also lmao at the people who give out about teachers' holidays. Lads, if you want teachers to work during the summer then the kids will have to give up their holidays too! And if you want the same holidays as teachers, then become a teacher!

Anyway, back on topic. I can't tell you how angry the teachers I work with are over the changes the budget has brought about. Larger class sizes, the elimination of paid substitution for pretty much all except certified leave. It's not feasible. More than anything, the kids will suffer.

I'd gladly add on an extra 1% to the new levy, as would a lot of my colleagues, if these changes could be abolished.

Silly old people taking all the attention!

Oh and there are plenty of people over 70 who can well afford medical care without a medical card. My grandparents and their friends fall into this category. Why should they get free what they can afford to pay for?

4Xcut wrote: »

Why not have them mark state exams in the summer, speed that process up?

Just as a matter of interest, who do you think marks the exams in the summer? Genuine question.

ArseBurger · 22-10-2008 10:32PM

Shmuck wrote: »

Because rich people over 70 just don't feel like paying for medical cards god bless them, our education system, one of the key factors in the celtic tiger will suffer.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1022/budgeteducation.html

Because rich people who could easily afford to pay for medical cards bitched and moaned, there is now no chance of the government backtracking on their plans to increase class sizes. The long term competetiveness of our economy will now be dramatically reduced. It's widely accepted that improvements in our education system was one of the main reasons in our economic boom.

But sure what do old people care, they only care about number one, **** everyone else, **** the future of Ireland, they'll all be dead and buried when the **** really hits the fan so what do they care. Selfish bastards :mad:

I'm gonna ****in deck the next old person I see on the street.

Get a job. You'll need one to pay for your fees. Like most of us had to. Take a leaf out of the work ethic book belonging to those old people. They're the ones that paid taxes when your parents were struggling to bring you up.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-10-2008 10:33PM

Any fvckwit who thinks classes are too small obviously has no kids, or no respect for the kids they do have: this is NOT about teachers, it's about KIDS. (It's amazing how many people want child abusers hung up and quartered, but are quiet prepared to screw them themselves if it saves a few extra euro in tax...)

FOGOFUNK · 22-10-2008 10:34PM

Cant wait to donkey punch my nana.

partyatmygaff · 22-10-2008 10:36PM

well im still in school and I know for certain (Atleast with 6/7 of my teachers) that they all do NOT teach a full 8 classes a day(Not saying you dont).
I know this by being a nosey little prick and having a look through my teachers' timetables and from what they say.
For example: One of my teachers was looking wrecked one day and when asked why she told us it was because she had only 1 free class all day and cant believe how we students survive every day with a full 8 classes AND 3 hour length homework and study.

Most of my other teachers Minus English, Irish and Maths do Not have a full 8 class day.

partyatmygaff · 22-10-2008 10:37PM

FOGOFUNK wrote: »

Cant wait to donkey punch my nana.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

You do know what donkey punch means right??????

:pac::pac::D

courtesy of urban dictionary
number 2

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=donkey%20punch!

FOGOFUNK · 22-10-2008 10:38PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

You do know what donkey punch means right??????

:pac::pac::D

Haha yeah

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-10-2008 10:39PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

well im still in school and I know for certain (Atleast with 6/7 of my teachers) that they all do NOT teach a full 8 classes a day(Not saying you dont).
I know this by being a nosey little prick and having a look through my teachers' timetables and from what they say.
For example: One of my teachers was looking wrecked one day and when asked why she told us it was because she had only 1 free class all day and cant believe how we students survive every day with a full 8 classes AND 3 hour length homework and study.

Most of my other teachers Minus English, Irish and Maths do Not have a full 8 class day.

Were you nosey enough to ask them how much time they spend planning lessons and correcting your work?

partyatmygaff · 22-10-2008 10:42PM

Not nosey, just couldnt give a crap how long they took to correct it, planning lessons doesnt seem to be to demanding a task tbh unless im missing something.

Maths for example never changes its always

1. See if any problems with the homework
2. Correct Homework
3. Start Classwork on the next exercise and take notes
4. Get Homework

And Repeat
Maybe for practical subjects like science yeah but I doubt it would be that bad

Toto Wolfcastle · 22-10-2008 10:44PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

well im still in school and I know for certain (Atleast with 6/7 of my teachers) that they all do NOT teach a full 8 classes a day(Not saying you dont).
I know this by being a nosey little prick and having a look through my teachers' timetables and from what they say.
For example: One of my teachers was looking wrecked one day and when asked why she told us it was because she had only 1 free class all day and cant believe how we students survive every day with a full 8 classes AND 3 hour length homework and study.

Most of my other teachers Minus English, Irish and Maths do Not have a full 8 class day.

You're right....there are days when teachers have less than 8 classes a day. The free classes are usually for planning and correcting. I would rarely sit down for a chat!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-10-2008 10:47PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Not nosey, just couldnt give a crap how long they took to correct it, planning lessons doesnt seem to be to demanding a task tbh unless im missing something.

Maths for example never changes its always

1. See if any problems with the homework
2. Correct Homework
3. Start Classwork on the next exercise and take notes
4. Get Homework

And Repeat
Maybe for practical subjects like science yeah but I doubt it would be that bad

Bif of a contradiction there: one minute you're nosey wnough to look though teachers timetables, the next you couldn't care less...?
Why don't you take the oppertunity now to ask Janey?

So our education system suffers because of rich old people

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