Being overtaken when doing the speed limit

tech77 · 18-10-2008 05:44PM

mumhaabu wrote: »

Last week I drove the Ennis - Limerick Dualcarriageway and traffic was moving slower in the inside lane than the outside and I had to undertake several cars before getting up to speed in the outside lane in which I passed 11 cars, 4 vans and 3 lorries doing 155Km/h.
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155kph on the Limerick-Ennis DC is unsafe tbh.
On a motorway maybe- fair enough, but that DC has a fair few bends on it.

Wertz · 18-10-2008 05:44PM

@mumhaabu

lmao

Keep telling yourself that. I could perhaps afford a beemer, maybe even a new one, but they're associated too much with road going pricks that don't know how to indicate so it's best to avoid IMO.
Invaribaly I come across overtaking lane hoggers sitting in their german marques oblivious to the road around and behind them...the amount of BMs alone I end up having to undertake on the mway each day is more than the micras and 206s...the funny thing being that when you do undertake these clowns they see red and sink the boot to overtake you again (that whole superiority complex thing they have going on)...but fail to see that they shouldn't be in the outside lane. I hvae nothing against anyone that chooses to drive whatever car they like and can afford, once they choose to drive it properly.

BTW what the hell has what sort of car the OP drives got to do with anything? Chances are if he's a learner or just qualified that it's a small engined hatchback, since that's easiest for him to drive, to tax and most importantly to insure. The fact that you'll stereotype him or anyone else by the vehicle alone is telling...I see your point but over generalising along those lines is hardly fair.
Your bulleted points I can only take as an attempt at trolling...if for some reason you're serious then I'll just have to guffaw in your general direction... and thank you for proving my earlier points...

Fighting Irish · 18-10-2008 05:48PM

Mark200 wrote: »

I agree, not really a fan of getting penalty points though. My insurance is expensive enough already

I understand that, i usually only do the speed limit myself, but if the person in front of me is doing 100km and is breaking at stupid things or acting slightly weird i'm going to overtake just so i don't have to concentrate on him as well as everything else thats going on

Fighting Irish · 18-10-2008 05:49PM

bigkev49 wrote: »

Rabble rabble rabble.

Drive at your own speed OP, let everyone else get on with their own business. Just don't be an arse and intentionally get in the way.

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Quazzie · 18-10-2008 05:52PM

I regularly drive faster than the speed limit and I never hide that fact. The speed limits in this country are totally ridiculous. They haven't been modified at all to keep up with technological advances. Cars have greater braking abilities now and the stopping distances and consequent road speed limits should be tailored to suit.

CtrlSource · 18-10-2008 05:52PM

Mark200 wrote: »

On another note, what is wrong with "cruising at the speed limit on the outside lane"?. You're not supposed to go over the speed limit overtaking someone anyway, so I don't see why you'd give someone grief for it?

Oh i'd give you grief for it alright! i'd probably flash you once or twice, then if you continued to hog the lane for no reason, i'd undertake you

i fail to see anything wrong with motorway cruising at 130, 140km/h as long as the road conditions are good and you leave plenty of room in front & behind you. i really dislike motorists who hog the overtaking / fast lane

Captain Slow IRL · 18-10-2008 05:56PM

tech77 wrote: »

However if you are indeed doing the limit, i agree that it can be fcuking annoying having some unmitigated pr1ck tailgate (endangering you) and not observe the limit.
Just move in though if you can and let him off.

In this instance it's just better to let them off on their way. There's 2 cars that do this repeatedly to me, and 08 accord and an 05 1 series - and I'm usually hovering around the 110km mark. By the time I get to work, they're only a couple of cars ahead of me:rolleyes:

mumhaabu wrote: »

I drive a BMW and a 2008 too, I often over take people doing the speedlimit and those going faster too. To the OP, may I enquire as to what model of Car you drive?

I automatically overtake certain models as I know that they are associated with certain stereotypes of drivers and thus may have the ability to slow things down up ahead. I find VAG TDi Drivers to be quite sensible and quick drivers however if a hitch is attached it is some farmer who will farting along at about 60km/h in a 100km/h zone.

What gets me the most is drivers who on motorways and dualcarriageways drive slow in the outside overtaking lane. Last week I drove the Ennis - Limerick Dualcarriageway and traffic was moving slower in the inside lane than the outside and I had to undertake several cars before getting up to speed in the outside lane in which I passed 11 cars, 4 vans and 3 lorries doing 155Km/h.

What is the generalisation of BMW drivers, Those giving out would have a BMW if they could afford it and the percentage of BMW drivers killed is very low due to several factors,

BMW's are safe strong cars built with precision German engineering.

Rich successful people buy BMW's these people are more successful in life by taking risks which are doable and risk management.

BMW's are fast cars and have the power to accelerate away fast than say a Nissan Micra.

BMW Drivers are often quite good drivers which is earned from the pedigree of the person involved, Rich people do things right more often.

Those people who do things wrong in BMW's are usually people who bought second hand and got the Badge without the financial effort involved.

Can you please sell me some of your cocaine or whatever you're ingesting. :rolleyes:

Mark200 · 18-10-2008 05:59PM

mumhaabu wrote: »

ITo the OP, may I enquire as to what model of Car you drive?

Wertz wrote: »

BTW what the hell has what sort of car the OP drives got to do with anything? Chances are if he's a learner or just qualified that it's a small engined hatchback, since that's easiest for him to drive, to tax and most importantly to insure.

Got it in one.

When I was learning I just drove my mam's car since she or my dad would be with me anytime anyway. It was a Mazda 2. Now, I drive my own car...a 3-door Honda Civic (Boy racer you might think, but my dad picked it out since it was cheap)

18-10-2008 06:12PM

Mark200 wrote: »

Does anyone else hate this? When I was learning to drive and had my L-plates up, I was overtaken once or twice a day on a 60kph road where I was doing exactly 60kph.

Since I've passed my test and taken down the plates it happens less often, but it still happens. Sooo annoying.
It's usually the ones in new BMWs who do it, as if they're too good to drive the same speed as the rest of us.

In fact at one stage I could look in my mirror and the car behind me and predict whether they'd overtake me or not

No it does not annoy me because I would be the doing the overtaking:D. I pay very little attention to speed limits but I dont drive dangerously either. Why are people so obsessed with speed limits which were the same for cars years ago. Cars have moved on better brakes etc so speed limits should be increased. Anyone who thinks 100mph on a motorway is dangerous shouldnt be driving. As a slightly exaggerated point does anyone remember on top gear where they showed a Mclaren SLR can stop from 120mph in the same distance as a focus from 60mph.

and yes I drive a BMW

Mark200 · 18-10-2008 06:14PM

Royalty Plump Oboe wrote: »

Why are people so obsessed with speed limits which were the same for cars years ago. Cars have moved on better brakes etc so speed limits should be increased.

True but as far as I'm aware human reaction is still the same

Overheal · 18-10-2008 06:15PM

Its always satisfying when you see a smexy car zoom past you to be followed up by a patrol car.

"True but as far as I'm aware human reaction is still the same"

This is why theres been a speed limit on Nascar races for the last few years. Eventually the cars started reaching top speeds that the drivers couldn't compensate for.

18-10-2008 06:21PM

Mark200 wrote: »

True but as far as I'm aware human reaction is still the same

Well reaction times are not a constant either as different people have different reaction times but a modern car will still stop a lot faster than a car from even say the mid-90's with the same person driving both. I might also add that it cannot be denied that some cars are built to be driven faster and some cars even modern ones are not. For example I was shocked at how poor the brakes were in a 07 Skoda Fabia it was so slow to stop compared to my BM which is a 01.

Overheal · 18-10-2008 06:24PM

Royalty Plump Oboe wrote: »

Well reaction times are not a constant either as different people have different reaction times but a modern car will still stop a lot faster than a car from even say the mid-90's with the same person driving both. I might also add that it cannot be denied that some cars are built to be driven faster and some cars even modern ones are not. For example I was shocked at how poor the brakes were in a 07 Skoda Fabia it was so slow to stop compared to my BM which is a 01.

Unfortunately you still share the road with 07 Skoda Fabias and until you aren't you shouldn't expect to see the speed limits change

18-10-2008 06:32PM

Overheal wrote: »

Unfortunately you still share the road with 07 Skoda Fabias and until you aren't you shouldn't expect to see the speed limits change

That was really a separate point and im not picking on fabias in particular. But the national speed limit was 60mph when say mk1 golfs were a new car now compare this with the fabia for stopping distance and I would imagine the fabia would stop a lot faster.

Anyway I know they will not be raised but im not really bothered as I will drive at what I think is an appropriate speed in any case.

Overheal · 18-10-2008 06:55PM

Royalty Plump Oboe wrote: »

That was really a separate point and im not picking on fabias in particular. But the national speed limit was 60mph when say mk1 golfs were a new car now compare this with the fabia for stopping distance and I would imagine the fabia would stop a lot faster.

And I'm sure theres still mk1 golfs too. Whats your point? That somehow a cop sees a Mazda RX-3 going 90mph he should let him drive on because oh he has a better car? Thats asinine.

The point about people having varied reaction times is moot. When you set a law you have to account for the averages, not the exceptions. Fair play if you're superman and can stop on a penny but why should that entitle you to go faster, only so that you can increase the risks? You do realise that at 80mph you have about 1/4 the chance of surviving in a collission as you do surviving a collission at 60mph? I don't care what you're driving.

The whole point of better performing cars is to increase safety. Better brakes were not designed for you to go faster so you can stop in the same distance as an older/slower car, it was designed so you could drive at the same speed as the older car and be considered the lesser risk.

Anyway I know they will not be raised but im not really bothered as I will drive at what I think is an appropriate speed in any case.

I hope thats the legally posted speed limit or god help the little girl you run over next week.

scubasteve · 18-10-2008 07:02PM

A bit late I know

People Cruising in the over taking lane is extremly annoying! Its an Irish and english thing in Oz it great nobody drives in the ''overtaking'' lane unless they are in fact overtaking. I know sounds like madness, people actually obeying the rules of the road!

18-10-2008 07:11PM

Overheal wrote: »

The whole point of better performing cars is to increase safety. Better brakes were not designed for you to go faster so you can stop in the same distance as an older/slower car, it was designed so you could drive at the same speed as the older car and be considered the lesser risk.

I hope thats the legally posted speed limit or god help the little girl you run over next week.

I would have to disagree. If that were the case why are the more powerful cars in car ranges fitted with much better brakes than entry level models. Because they will be driven faster as they were designed to do so.

I usually drive faster than the posted speed limit I find they are usually painfully slow.

Stupidity causes crashes not speed.

Overheal · 18-10-2008 07:14PM

fatality records prove a direct corellation between stupidity and speed. hmm.

_Kaiser_ · 18-10-2008 07:16PM

I do most of my driving on the N3 and M1/M50, and as a general rule I'll overtake as soon as possible:

- If I'm behind someone driving significantly slower than the posted limit when it's safe/appropriate to do that limit (eg: people doing 60-80 in a 100 zone)
- If I'm behind someone driving erratically (eg: slowing/speeding up randomly, tailgating the car in front, weaving etc)
- If I'm behind a large slow-moving vehicle (eg: tractors, trucks, buses) that are obstructing my view of the road ahead

In my opinion, these people represent a hazard and are best passed as soon as you can. As for the overtaking move itself, I will exceed the limit for as long as it takes to complete the manoeuver - my view being that you want to spend as little time on the wrong side of the road as possible.

It also helps if you have a car that's capable of accelerating rapidly and that can maintain a decent top speed - like my 2.0 TDI Passat can for example

Manic Moran · 18-10-2008 07:20PM

More important than obeying the speed limit is not hindering the flow of traffic. A friend of mine doing his driving test in Waterford was failed for failing to make progress and hindering traffic by driving along a good road at exactly the speed limit and causing a large queue behind him. If you don't want to speed yourself, pull over to the side.

As to the original question, here in California the laws governing the interactions between drivers make no distinction between whether or not the other guy (or both of you) are driving above the limit. Let the police sort it out if they think the guy is driving dangerously (Itself a criterion separate from whether or not they're speeding). In the meantime, do not cause an accident yourself, and if there are a group of people behind you (in California, five vehicles or more), pull over and let them by. Otherwise you will get the ticket.

NTM

18-10-2008 07:21PM

Royalty Plump Oboe wrote: »

Stupidity causes crashes not speed.

thinking you know better than anyone else what the speed limits should be = stupidity

I really hope WHEN you do eventually lose control of your bm (is that like a bmw only cooler?) that you crash straight into a wall and kill only yourself and not into an oncoming vehicle with 2 innocent children in the back.

Manic Moran · 18-10-2008 07:22PM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

I do most of my driving on the N3 and M1/M50, and as a general rule I'll overtake as soon as possible:

- If I'm behind someone driving significantly slower than the posted limit when it's safe/appropriate to do that limit (eg: people doing 60-80 in a 100 zone)
- If I'm behind someone driving erratically (eg: slowing/speeding up randomly, tailgating the car in front, weaving etc)
- If I'm behind a large slow-moving vehicle (eg: tractors, trucks, buses) that are obstructing my view of the road ahead

In my opinion, these people represent a hazard and are best passed as soon as you can. As for the overtaking move itself, I will exceed the limit for as long as it takes to complete the manoeuver - my view being that you want to spend as little time on the wrong side of the road as possible.

It also helps if you have a car that's capable of accelerating rapidly and that can maintain a decent top speed - like my 2.0 TDI Passat can for example

This man speaks sense, and I pretty much follow all his principles, with the exception of driving on Irish roads, and that my car actually does accelerate rapidly, being an S4.

NTM

Overheal · 18-10-2008 07:24PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

More important than obeying the speed limit is not hindering the flow of traffic. A friend of mine doing his driving test in Waterford was failed for failing to make progress and hindering traffic by driving along a good road at exactly the speed limit and causing a large queue behind him. If you don't want to speed yourself, pull over to the side.

Damned if you do and damned if you dont?

SV · 18-10-2008 07:57PM

You find it annoying?

Pity...not gonna stop me though!

18-10-2008 08:00PM

this thread should be renamed "Beemer drivers and why I hate them", it's obvious the OP has a thing against beemers.

PS I don't drive one!

XJR · 18-10-2008 08:10PM

What is it with people that they dislike being overtaken? If you want to go faster than me fire away I won't stop you, but driving the bike I have its a rare enough occurance.

18-10-2008 08:29PM

I've no problem with people overtaking me, i overtake people too. I don't really think - in most cases - a 60k single lane road is one which people should be overtaking on - my opinion only. And I'm both a BMW driver and a volvo driver and I don't think that that gives me any more ownership of the road than anyone else!

I agree with all of Kaiser2000's points too

JB04 · 18-10-2008 09:43PM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

As for the overtaking move itself, I will exceed the limit for as long as it takes to complete the manoeuver

A family member of mine has 2 points for doing that.

SV · 18-10-2008 10:04PM

JB04 wrote: »

A family member of mine has 2 points for doing that.

2 points in exchange for getting on my own side of road quicker and not risking a crash is 2 points I could live with.

tech77 · 18-10-2008 10:09PM

XJR wrote: »

What is it with people that they dislike being overtaken? If you want to go faster than me fire away I won't stop you, but driving the bike I have its a rare enough occurance.

Being overtaken by a confident overtaker in an elegant fashion i've no problem with.
Being overtaken by a speeding ar$ehole who 2 minutes down the road is stuck behind another car afraid to overtake that car is what bothers me.
So ultimately the car that overtook me just becomes one more car that i have to overtake (except i do it legally).
So invariably it just amounts to annoying, unconfident, speeding ar$eholes disrupting my legal progress.

Being overtaken when doing the speed limit

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