Goth Discussion

all the stars · 31-08-2008 11:12pm

i like the goths - some of the girls look absolutely class...

love the cool hair colours, and the deadly eye make up... :cool:

quoteunquote · 31-08-2008 11:37pm

Hmmm...I wouldn't exactly classify myself as a goth but I suppose some people would label me as one. That's their opinion I guess.

One of the advantages of being viewed as a goth is that you can usually gauge how open-minded a person is simply by their reaction to the way you dress. If they shout the old "state of that goth freak" etc. you can safely assume they're not the nicest of people and probably should be avoided. Maybe that's just a "sweeping generalisation" though.

Nightwish · 31-08-2008 11:48pm

I agree with you there quoteunquote. In college I remember that the only people that approached me where the ones who actually wanted to talk to me, so its kinda like an idiot-filter! I did get a lot more negative reactions to my dress sense in Dublin than I ever did down here in the sticks. In Dublin I've been spat on, shouted at and people refused to sit next to me on the bus.

anonymous_joe · 01-09-2008 12:00am

Nightwish wrote: »

I agree with you there quoteunquote. In college I remember that the only people that approached me where the ones who actually wanted to talk to me, so its kinda like an idiot-filter! I did get a lot more negative reactions to my dress sense in Dublin than I ever did down here in the sticks. In Dublin I've been spat on, shouted at and people refused to sit next to me on the bus.

I can well imagine.

I've longish hair and I often enough get knacks shouting at me. Don't want to speculate on how it'd be for a goth...

But yeah, decent idiot filter.

eVeNtInE · 01-09-2008 12:03am

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anonymous_joe · 01-09-2008 12:06am

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We've more scumbags than the rest of the country too.

Nightwish · 01-09-2008 12:09am

It wasnt scumbags who moved when I sat next to them on the bus! For some reason I terrified the elderly

anonymous_joe · 01-09-2008 12:15am

Nightwish wrote: »

It wasnt scumbags who moved when I sat next to them on the bus! For some reason I terrified the elderly

Ah they're the worst of all.

Winters · 01-09-2008 12:15am

This is why its great to be normal :pac:

Lockstep · 01-09-2008 12:22am

I had similar experiences when my hair was crimson.

Old people refusing to sit near me, crossing the street and shouting at me in French.
My goodness, the Belgian elderly are cranky. Probably something to do with the welfare state.

quoteunquote · 01-09-2008 12:28am

My friend has bright pink hair and mainly she just seems to get "aahhh ya pinkhead" shouted at her from across the road.

I think they mean it in an insulting way but how the hell does that count as an insult??

anonymous_joe · 01-09-2008 12:29am

quoteunquote wrote: »

My friend has bright pink hair and mainly she just seems to get "aahhh ya pinkhead" shouted at her from across the road.

I think they mean it in an insulting way but how the hell does that count as an insult??

Anyone willing to shout abuse at a total stranger is probably the type least likely to be verbally dextrous.

Lockstep · 01-09-2008 12:31am

Abuse was never from children aside from one time when some knacks sat behind me for a whole bus ride without saying anything and once I was safely down the stairs one shouted "Nice hair"
Ouch.

Old people are the worst, so intolerant.

Doctor DooM · 01-09-2008 12:42am

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Abuse was never from children aside from one time when some knacks sat behind me for a whole bus ride without saying anything and once I was safely down the stairs one shouted "Nice hair"
Ouch.

Old people are the worst, so intolerant.

Yeah,some real heroes wait til you are out of earshot to slag you.

Funny people like that are only showing their own ignorance to me.

eVeNtInE · 01-09-2008 12:42am

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Winters · 01-09-2008 12:50am

eVeNtInE wrote: »

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Yea and its absolutely brilliant. They can get away with being whatever they want to be just as they are old. Great craic. Cant wait to be old. To grow up in the days before political correctness

DenMan · 01-09-2008 1:18am

Nightwish wrote: »

It wasnt scumbags who moved when I sat next to them on the bus! For some reason I terrified the elderly

I like that. Must have scared the bejesus out of them. You would normally expect a European capital like Dublin to be more tolerant of others, unfortunately that is not the case. Austria is a fabulous country and steeped in Gothic history, the Gothic cathedrals alone are out of this world. Vienna boasts an impressive Gothic population and through observation are not looked down upon or ridiculed in any way. Spent a weekend there last year.

Sorry to hear about your unfortunate run-ins with the locals in Dublin. Narrow mindedness and fear of the unknown is a huge factor here. Abroad, a different story altogether.

anonymous_joe · 01-09-2008 1:21am

Hmmm.

Think to be honest being different isn't popular anywhere.

I got the odd bit of abuse when with my ex in the Netherlands, and a rocker friend of hers got the shít kicked out of him in Amsterdam once (he was a native) for being a rocker...

It's everywhere to be honest.

DenMan · 01-09-2008 1:40am

Very true man. However Ireland is an isolated country which only 10-15 years ago had only really opened up to Europe. Countries like Poland, Czech Rep, Austria, Germany were influenced by the Goths once they migrated, and as a result has been integrated into their mentality. It is part of their culture and is visible everyday. Of course intolerance exists, everywhere, that is not in dispute. Gothic people are much more free to fully express themselves away from Ireland. Again this is just an observation but there is elements of truth to it. Lets hope for a more tolerant viewpoint here in the future in Ireland.

Lockstep · 01-09-2008 7:57am

SDooM wrote: »

Yeah,some real heroes wait til you are out of earshot to slag you.

Funny people like that are only showing their own ignorance to me.

Ah yeah, it was quite amusing to be honest.
It wasn't even original. Just "Nice hair"
THat was the insulting part, the lack of thought they put into it:mad:

Gone West · 01-09-2008 10:32am

Does anybody know a lifestyle goth with a proper job?
A proper job is €60k+

Just wondering.

Winters · 01-09-2008 10:50am

FuzzyLogic wrote: »

Does anybody know a lifestyle goth with a proper job?
A proper job is €60k+

Just wondering.

And still manages to "stick it to the man" :pac:

Doctor DooM · 01-09-2008 11:13am

FuzzyLogic wrote: »

Does anybody know a lifestyle goth with a proper job?
A proper job is €60k+

Just wondering.

Yes. I know two, a geneticist in England, and a pharmacologist here.

BTW no way is 60 the standard wage in Ireland!

Gone West · 01-09-2008 11:38am

SDooM wrote: »

Yes. I know two, a geneticist in England, and a pharmacologist here.

BTW no way is 60 the standard wage in Ireland!

I said "proper" not standard

Nevyn · 01-09-2008 12:35pm

Personally it's a philosphy, a personal one and it was nice to discover that there are others who look at the world in the same off beat and at times twisted way.
That doesn't change no matter what colour I happen to be wearing my heart and sense of humour is always black.

DenMan · 01-09-2008 3:42pm

Spoken like a true poet Thae.

Hi SDooM. How is Madrid? Have you come across any Gothic people over there yet? Came across these links online. Plenty of Gothic clubs in the Madrid vicinity.

http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Club/95.html
http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Club/1581.html
http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Club/1714.html
http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Club/1794.html

The Castle of Buitrago del Lazoya was built in the Gothic style by the local nobleman Diego Hurtado de Mendoza. Hopefully you can go and visit it.

projectmayhem · 01-09-2008 4:12pm

DenMan wrote: »

Very true man. However Ireland is an isolated country which only 10-15 years ago had only really opened up to Europe. Countries like Poland, Czech Rep, Austria, Germany were influenced by the Goths once they migrated, and as a result has been integrated into their mentality. It is part of their culture and is visible everyday. Of course intolerance exists, everywhere, that is not in dispute. Gothic people are much more free to fully express themselves away from Ireland. Again this is just an observation but there is elements of truth to it. Lets hope for a more tolerant viewpoint here in the future in Ireland.

Honestly I think part of the problem with goths and the perception of such in Ireland is down to temple bar/stephens green emo kids who sit around getting drunk and generally causing nuisance. If you're older and don't know what the hell goth is, then you assume all of them are goths, and that this is what goths do. You'd have no idea there was an entire subculture filled with poets, film-makers and the like.

DenMan · 01-09-2008 5:07pm

projectmayhem wrote: »

Honestly I think part of the problem with goths and the perception of such in Ireland is down to temple bar/stephens green emo kids who sit around getting drunk and generally causing nuisance. If you're older and don't know what the hell goth is, then you assume all of them are goths, and that this is what goths do. You'd have no idea there was an entire subculture filled with poets, film-makers and the like.

Your dead right, one of main reasons why I wanted to set this thread up in the first place. The emo kids are exactly that, immature kids who like to get stereotyped. In fact being compared to Goths would be heaven for them, even though we know there are vast differences between both sets of groups. While in the UK I made a lot of great friends with The Gothic Community. Went to a lot of gigs, collaborated in a lot of writing work. To me they were equals and not to be looked down or ridiculed in any way.

Did get me into trouble with the locals though. Received a bloody lip when a shoe was thrown at me one night coming out of Satan's Hollow, Manchester. Called a Goth Lover by the indigenous riff raff, spat on, the usual crap. While not a Goth myself I really respect them for who they are and their inner belief. If another shoe was thrown at me again, I honestly wouldn't care, it was worth it for all the good times had over there.

Karl Hungus · 01-09-2008 9:22pm

projectmayhem wrote: »

You'd have no idea there was an entire subculture filled with poets, film-makers and the like.

It's also filled with appearance obsessed jerks, and drugged up assholes. You're making it out to be a subculture of intellectuals, when the reality is that it's got pretty much the same representation of idiots and assholes as any other bunch.

Now, I'm not saying that to bash the subculture, I'm just being realistic here. I did the whole goth thing when I was younger, and there certainly were some great and extremely interesting, intelligent people I've met who were also into it, but there was also a hearty representation of jerks, scumbags and idiots too. If you've ever been some of the Goth clubs in London, there's more drugs going around than at a rave. I've met loads of empty headed people who's only interests were dancing and cyberdog.

Don't get me wrong here, I do like the subculture, the girls have some of the best looking outfits, and I still listen to some of the music... But lets not make it out to be something it's not, and it's hardly some kind of bastion of intellectuals, that's Mensa.

Nevyn · 02-09-2008 10:04am

Every social grouping has arse holes and idiots, it's the way of the world.
Now that being said I I found that over all the social scene in Dublin is more tolerant and open minded but more bitchy then other social groupings. But I was never one for saying you are not gtoh unless you are actively going to a club.

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