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Alrighty, uploaded some photies for your enjoyment.
Click the above pic or here for the full set of 16.
They're the pics I took of Peles Castle, which is just mindblowingly fantastic. Truly beautiful architecture.0 -
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FruitLover wrote: »I hear they're better looking and friendlier than Irish castles.
I can attest to that!
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FruitLover wrote: »I hear they're better looking and friendlier than Irish castles.
Judging by Karl's photos they certainly seem to be better looking!
Thanks for the photos, Karl, they're brilliant!
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I demands more castle photos!:D Has anybody here been to the city of York in England? Very cool, gothic, medieval city with a stunning cathedral ( York Minster) and plenty of ghosts. Said to be one of the most haunted cities in the U.K. Fabulous place if you're a goth-y history nerd like me! ( And I suspect most people here are
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I demands more castle photos!:D Has anybody here been to the city of York in England? Very cool, gothic, medieval city with a stunning cathedral ( York Minster) and plenty of ghosts. Said to be one of the most haunted cities in the U.K. Fabulous place if you're a goth-y history nerd like me! ( And I suspect most people here are)
I love York, spent many a happy weekend with the same English girl I went to Whitby with.
Lovely people, lovely city, and yeah loadsa lovely gothy architecture.
Good scene too, Club 18 rocked!0 -
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I love York, spent many a happy weekend with the same English girl I went to Whitby with.
Lovely people, lovely city, and yeah loadsa lovely gothy architecture.
Good scene too, Club 18 rocked! Indeed. I'd love to go back. I only went for a few days with the parentals last time so clubbing was out of the question. I shall be checking out this Club 18 next time I go. and I want to do the cheesy ghost tours too. I didnt get a chance last time and was bitterly disappointed.:( 0 -
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Indeed, it's about identifying yourself as belonging to a tribe. It goes back a long, long way into history and even pre-history.
Why do people going to a Football match feel the need to wear the colours of the team they support? To identify with one another.
Now why do Goth boys wear make-up? Good question, I think what you need to really ask is what does the whole Goth 'movement' and 'persona' (oxymoron?) represent, is it a nihilistic view of the world? Is it an outward expression of the emptiness these angst-ridden folk feel inside? Do they think they look 'hard' or 'scary'?
Once you understand what Goth means then you can begin to understand why they like to dress, mope around the way they do.
BTW, when I was younger Goths were the moany, depressive, wrist-slitting types who thrived on angst...that appears to be emos these days...I don't understand where either group fit into the sub-culture these days tbh
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I mean, I don't mind a bit of metallica and I love GnR.
Sorry, but what's that got to do with it? Neither of those 2 rock bands have anything to do with being a goth. At all.
Music is one part of it, that's for sure. I'm not a goth myself, I'd describe myself as a metaller, but I don't subscribe to this "you must wear black and buy vinyl" and all that nonsense.
Typical goth type music would be bands like The Cure or Sisters of Mercy.
edit, I notice you're from Castlebar, me too Sucks, donnit 0 -
Sorry, but what's that got to do with it? Neither of those 2 rock bands have anything to do with being a goth. At all.
Music is one part of it, that's for sure. I'm not a goth myself, I'd describe myself as a metaller, but I don't subscribe to this "you must wear black and buy vinyl" and all that nonsense.
Typical goth type music would be bands like The Cure or Sisters of Mercy.
edit, I notice you're from Castlebar, me too Sucks, donnit
My only real relation to gothness is my love of the cure,and even robert smith has said he never wanted to be goth,labelled goth,nor did he intend the music to be goth,0 -
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I don't see any proper goths around anymore. I mean, that bona fide Siouxsie Sioux or Robert Smith look.
People have gone all mosher or emo in the last five years.
That whole goth thing is a bit... dead. It's over.
As for why any remaining ones like to dress up the way they do?.. Maybe the funeral-like garb and such is a visceral way (for them anyway) of externalising the emotional tumult by which they routinely feel assailed. Life can be a real b1tch for some people. Skulking around the place like a goth is like a symbolic way of mourning your own inner death! :pac:
That's what being a goth is, I think- using sombre fashion and make-up to tell the world, "I'm dead inside". Maybe! 0 -
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grames_bond wrote: »why do goths "put on make up and wear weird clothes"?
because they want to.....simple as!
You'd think so but all actions have a psychological driver, what drives the 'want' to wear these clothes and make up. The over-simplification of the answer by saying 'they want to' is invalid and lazy tbh.
I still say it's a tribal desire to belong, but why do goths choose to 'stand out' in their (ironically) group effort at individualism? Why don't they choose to wear blue jeans and white t-shirts? Why black and morbid? What is the psychological process behind the manifestation?
'they want to', indeed sir! Pfft! 0 -
The OP will never get an answer.
Firstly, goths aren't mopey. It's a common misconception. See the perky goth in the other thread.
PEOPLE can be mopey.
How do you define Goth?
You cannot. There is no king of goth, or government of goth (well, none that aren't self styled chancers). It's something which, like every other subculture grows and changes as things go along.
The closest you will probably get to a true definition of what is goth is an appreciation of the dark things in life.
Now I am not a goth, never claimed to be, but I would share several traits with people who are.
I like smart, dark clothes. Why? I like smart dark clothes. I like the look of them. I like the look of dark clothes on ladies too. Just do. I find the goth look attractive. I find the people who engage in it are often (but christ, not aways) attractive as people as we as physically.
I like horror movies. Don't know why, just love them. Gore is fun too. I'm fascinated by myths and legends and history, and the monstrocities which populate them.
I like alot of music connected to goth. Why? Because I like it. I like any music which is "clever" in it's own way. A disproportionate amount of what I like most seems to come from the metal/rawk/goth/EBM/industrial genres. Perhaps because they were slighty more resistant to commercialisation than whatever genre of the day is popuar.
I like to draw. I'm told my art has gothic leanings. Why? Because I like to draw that way.
These are all connected in little ways: They add up to someone who through the eyes of fuzzy logic is gothy. But I in no way represent the sterotype the OP believes in. I am happy, and work in a corporate job, and laugh and play like anyone else.
Goth is a label applied to a group of very disparate people, just like everything else. You can no more say all goths are depressed eye liner wearers in black than you can honestly say all gay people are flamboyantly camp. It in fact says alot more about the person saying it then the people they are talking about.
Now here's the kicker: Other people disagree with me on what goth means. Some might think wearing the outlandish fashions as a statement is part of it: Others disillusionment with the world: But it's different to everyone. And so it should be!
If you seriously want a deconstruction of what is goth I woud point you towards the written works of Voltaire who deconstructs it rather amusingly.
I hope that made sense.
One final mod note: I really like this thread and I think it's good, but I do not want to find any subcultures being slagged off in it with wild accusations. The nocturnal forum is supposed to be somewhere the gotherazzi can get away from that crap. I'm just saying it pre-emptively. I've seen it happen before in threads a la this one.0 -
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