Who is going to be in the IAA now.

Tigger · 24-07-2008 04:13PM #1

Genuine question

I signed up for the IAA and thought it was a great idea
i was planning on signing up again and getting the id card and any other benifits but now i'm not sure

the issues i worry about are as follows:

no new chairman was elected after the chair was vacated
no definate date or plan has been made available to me re; the id cards
9 months ago i thought i knew what the iaa stood for and what their plans were for example regarding regional reps but nothing has been done , or mabey it has but i know nowt about it, who is the regional rep for the west or the northwest

Puding · 24-07-2008 04:22PM

well this is not going to end well ( sorry but no topic about the iaa very does )

The iaa has not been perfect far from it but i will not criticize people who stood up when other did not and went hay i will give it a go, its easy to comment and snipe in retrospect, change is needed but so is support the iaa is young,

In general i can see the need for a agm and for the people who constantly complain about how it is run and what is has/has not done to stand up and put themselves forward and do a better job, that is the only way it will work and it need the support of the community, things will not be perfect right of the bat tbh things will never be done perfect look at any long running organization and the problems they still have.

edit: with such a young sport a year between agm is a long time i can see a need for more feedback and maybe a shorter term 'in office' as people would say, but greater communication and feedback are key

gerrowadat · 24-07-2008 04:28PM

Puding wrote: »

well this is not going to end well ( sorry but no topic about the iaa very does )

The iaa has not been perfect far from it but i will not criticize people who stood up when other did not and went hay i will give it a go, its easy to comment and snipe in retrospect, change is needed but so is support the iaa is young,

In general i can see the need for a agm and for the people who constantly complain about how it is run and what is has/has not done to stand up and put themselves forward and do a better job, that is the only way it will work and it need the support of the community, things will not be perfect right of the bat tbh things will never be done perfect look at any long running organization and the problems they still have.

Well said.

I've met some of the IAA fellas, and they are committed to the sport. However, as someone still on the fence, and new to the sport, accountability is very, very important. I'm thinking some of the same questions this thread brings up (although probably for different reasons).

A physical AGM would go a long way toward quelling a lot of people's worries I reckon. Publishing a constitution or charter would also be nice. 30 quid is a lot of money for a lot of folks, and there needs to be confidence that the committee is holding themselves to a certain standard (I'm not saying they're not right now, I'm just saying they need to be seen to be doing that).

Tigger · 24-07-2008 04:29PM

Puding wrote: »

well this is not going to end well ( sorry but no topic about the iaa very does )

why is that, theybused to be fine it used to be that everyone supported them

The iaa has not been perfect far from it but i will not criticize people who stood up when other did not and went hay i will give it a go, its easy to comment and snipe in retrospect, change is needed but so is support the iaa is young,

i agree, i hope people will not snipe, i'm not critizing i'm expressing my reasons for asking this question

In general i can see the need for a agm and for the people who constantly complain about how it is run and what is has/has not done to stand up and put themselves forward and do a better job, that is the only way it will work and it need the support of the community, things will not be perfect right of the bat tbh things will never be done perfect look at any long running organization and the problems they still have.

very true

so you will or have signed up and paid the membership?

N.O.I.P. · 24-07-2008 04:33PM

gerrowadat wrote: »

A physical AGM would go a long way toward quelling a lot of people's worries I reckon. Publishing a constitution or charter would also be nice.

Not sure what date the last AGM was held but the next one should be held around the same time this year and the Constitution has been available since it was ratified by a majority vote. It should be on the IAA site.

Linky :
http://irishairsoft.ie/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/proposal-for-a-constitution-of-the-iaa-dec07-final-draft.doc

Tigger · 24-07-2008 04:37PM

gerrowadat wrote: »

Well said.

I've met some of the IAA fellas, and they are committed to the sport. However, as someone still on the fence, and new to the sport, accountability is very, very important. I'm thinking some of the same questions this thread brings up (although probably for different reasons).

what different reasons would they be

A physical AGM would go a long way toward quelling a lot of people's worries I reckon. Publishing a constitution or charter would also be nice.

there is one its on the iaa website

the thing i have asked for repeatedly was the minutes of the agm last year
still no sign of those

Puding · 24-07-2008 04:38PM

why is that, theybused to be fine it used to be that everyone supported them

And there is still a lot of support, it is just far easy to bitch and generally people complain louder they they praise, ever worked in a shop ? people will always normaly compalin and write in when there pissed off but people will rarely ever say they had good service and right in to praise

There are also people that just do not like the iaa, people normally just go boo hiss but never offer constructive criticize and idea to improve things.

Also i forgot in my first post i would like to bring up the idea of trusties to offer some oversight etc etc.

The iaa did not give people everything they wanted right away so as in we are human we fell upon them in a whirlwind of criticism and bitching, you can not please 100% of the people 100% of the time.

sorry just around a bit but a lot to say without righting an essay

Tigger · 24-07-2008 04:39PM

N.O.I.P. wrote: »

Not sure what date the last AGM was held but the next one should be held around the same time this year and the Constitution has been available since it was ratified by a majority vote. It should be on the IAA site.

Linky :
http://irishairsoft.ie/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/proposal-for-a-constitution-of-the-iaa-dec07-final-draft.doc

agm was in december last year
i would hope that it could be held earlier than december as december and janruary are very busy months in retail

kdouglas · 24-07-2008 04:40PM

<mod hat on>
As pointed out above, IAA threads are generally quick to turn into flame wars on here, anyone caught de-railing the topic, pushing a personal agenda or just generally being unhelpful in this thread will be banned instantly.

</mod hat off>

As N.O.I.P. said, the constitution is up on the site and has been for the last while. The reason why there hasn't been an AGM is because it's an Annual General Meeting, hence held once a year, the next one will be on around the same time as the previous one. There was also an EGM held last february which was to resolve some issues which were not resolved at the AGM.

As regards the position of the Chair, Ronan, as Vice-Chair, has taken on that role in the mean time, which is perfectly fine since that is the purpose of the Vice Chair, no one has complained about it to date that I am aware of and no one has put themselves forward for the position either.

ID cards should be on the way soon, an email should have been sent to all registered members recently with details of this, if you are a registered member and did not receive details please contact info@irishairsoft.ie as it is possible your email address on file may be incorrect.

gerrowadat · 24-07-2008 04:41PM

Tigger wrote: »

what different reasons would they be

there is one its on the iaa website

the thing i have asked for repeatedly was the minutes of the agm last year
still no sign of those

I'd be asking the questions minus rhetoric.

The constitution is in word format, which I can't open, and isn't linked off the front page. Good that it exists, but having it in html linked prominently would be good :-)

whydave · 24-07-2008 04:46PM

pm me and i'll send you my copy !
don't need it any more

N.O.I.P. · 24-07-2008 04:50PM

gerrowadat wrote: »

I'd be asking the questions minus rhetoric.

The constitution is in word format, which I can't open, and isn't linked off the front page. Good that it exists, but having it in html linked prominently would be good :-)

http://noipconstitution.blogspot.com/

best I can do at short notice

ED E · 24-07-2008 04:50PM

The email from the tresurer didn't give a specific timeline so I asked. Turns out "We hope to send out the first batch within the next 2 weeks or so."

That good enough for you?

The Chair, KD asnwered that, no problem there IMO.

Regarding the Reps, I beleive they are volunteers. Its not the IAAs fault. Why dont you stop moaning and apply to become a rep if there isnt one already?

EDIT: I deserved that, we dont want a repeat of previous threads.

ED E · 24-07-2008 04:53PM

gerrowadat wrote: »

I'd be asking the questions minus rhetoric.

The constitution is in word format, which I can't open, and isn't linked off the front page. Good that it exists, but having it in html linked prominently would be good :-)

Thats due to the fact that it was created in Word 2007 which uses the new .docx(90% sure thats it, I havent installed office 07 yet so I'm .wps). If I can save a .doc for you all if you want.

gerrowadat · 24-07-2008 05:01PM

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

Thats due to the fact that it was created in Word 2007 which uses the new .docx(90% sure thats it, I havent installed office 07 yet so I'm .wps). If I can save a .doc for you all if you want.

html or pdf would be better, some of us don't run windows :-)

N.O.I.P. · 24-07-2008 05:06PM

gerrowadat wrote: »

html or pdf would be better, some of us don't run windows :-)

Uhm word for word transcript of the IAA constitution

http://noipconstitution.blogspot.com/

(and no I'm not trying to get people to visit my blog, blogs scare me:D)

Tigger · 24-07-2008 05:12PM

Puding wrote: »

And there is still a lot of support,

is there thats what i'm trying to assertain see i'd love the id card for gall the obvious reasons
i'd herd that this wasn't possaible till a certain number had joined

it is just far easy to bitch and generally people complain louder they they praise, ever worked in a shop ?

i work in a shop

people will always normaly compalin and write in when there pissed off but people will rarely ever say they had good service and right in to praise

There are also people that just do not like the iaa, people normally just go boo hiss but never offer constructive criticize and idea to improve things.

Also i forgot in my first post i would like to bring up the idea of trusties to offer some oversight etc etc.

how would that work?

horgan_p · 24-07-2008 05:18PM

well as a retailer , i'm glad to be in the iaa and that my store is affilled.
here's why :

1) regulation. Any realistic person must admit there is a greater than average chance that Irish airsoft could well go down the road of the u.k. (i'm going to stick my neck out and say it mightnt be a bad thing - personal opinion only) when (or if) that day arrives then i want to make sure i have a say in the future of the sport and by extension my business.

2) If some media hound wishes to interview me with regard to airsoft in ireland (99% of such interviews are a witch hunt) i would like to be able to refer the journalist to the iaa to speak on my behalf.

3) as a player , i like to know that all affilled sites to the iaa conform to a set of proceedures to ensure that i and the people who i play with are looked after from both an insurance and health and safety standing.(i know h&s are dirty words to some of you - they are however important)

4) if i werent a retailer - i'd like to know that sites affilled with the iaa conform to irish law with regard to fps / 1 joule regulations. say what you want but before we started selling aegs i myself got stung by buying some hot gear from a shop.then went to a site and got turned away. i like the idea that any player can buy from any affilled shop and know that straight out of the box i can use the aeg to skirmish.

5) its important for any sport (and the sooner it is taken seriously as a sport instead of a bunch of weekend rambos the better) to have a governing body - where would hurling and gaelic football be without the GAA ?

The IAA is nessecary , people may not agree with how its run - thats why with membership you get a vote.Its not perfect and only through peoples efforts can it even begin to become perfect. I myself am looking forward to the AGM , i have questions both as retailer and player i'd like answered, however i'll ask the people themselves at the AGM , not hiding behind a username on a message board.

Puding · 24-07-2008 05:18PM

i work in a shop

yes great feedback well worth the time taken to type it, know if you added, 'yes i;ve seen that happen when i was work'
or ' no i've never seen that stop taking out your ass' , both would have been far more constructive and a more valued contribution

how would that work?

what trusties?

Tigger · 24-07-2008 05:19PM

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

The email from the tresurer didn't give a specific timeline so I asked. Turns out "We hope to send out the first batch within the next 2 weeks or so."

That good enough for you?

The Chair, KD asnwered that, no problem there IMO.

Regarding the Reps, I beleive they are volunteers. Its not the IAAs fault. Why dont you stop moaning and apply to become a rep if there isnt one already?

again with the name calling how am i moaning
no need to be agressive if someone dosent agree with you

Tigger · 24-07-2008 05:20PM

Puding wrote: »

what trusties?

yeah
how would that work

kdouglas · 24-07-2008 05:21PM

gerrowadat: Constitution is now up on the site in PDF format in the downloads section: http://irishairsoft.ie/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/iaa-constitution.pdf

Tigger · 24-07-2008 05:23PM

horgan_p wrote: »

well as a retailer , i'm glad to be in the iaa and that my store is affilled.
here's why :

1) regulation. Any realistic person must admit there is a greater than average chance that Irish airsoft could well go down the road of the u.k. (i'm going to stick my neck out and say it mightnt be a bad thing - personal opinion only) when (or if) that day arrives then i want to make sure i have a say in the future of the sport and by extension my business.

2) If some media hound wishes to interview me with regard to airsoft in ireland (99% of such interviews are a witch hunt) i would like to be able to refer the journalist to the iaa to speak on my behalf.

3) as a player , i like to know that all affilled sites to the iaa conform to a set of proceedures to ensure that i and the people who i play with are looked after from both an insurance and health and safety standing.(i know h&s are dirty words to some of you - they are however important)

4) if i werent a retailer - i'd like to know that sites affilled with the iaa conform to irish law with regard to fps / 1 joule regulations. say what you want but before we started selling aegs i myself got stung by buying some hot gear from a shop.then went to a site and got turned away. i like the idea that any player can buy from any affilled shop and know that straight out of the box i can use the aeg to skirmish.

5) its important for any sport (and the sooner it is taken seriously as a sport instead of a bunch of weekend rambos the better) to have a governing body - where would hurling and gaelic football be without the GAA ?

The IAA is nessecary , people may not agree with how its run - thats why with membership you get a vote.Its not perfect and only through peoples efforts can it even begin to become perfect. I myself am looking forward to the AGM , i have questions both as retailer and player i'd like answered, however i'll ask the people themselves at the AGM , not hiding behind a username on a message board.

i'm not hiding behind a username
i wasn't able to make the agm last year as the day it was on was jhanged after i had booked time off
i could not make the egm as i had been made redundant

kdouglas · 24-07-2008 05:27PM

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

Why dont you stop moaning and apply to become a rep if there isnt one already?

Infracted for that.

Tigger wrote: »

again with the name calling how am i moaning
no need to be agressive if someone dosent agree with you

Infracted for back seat modding, report the post if you have a problem with it.

This is how this thread will work folks, stuff that would normally pass unnoticed in other threads will get an infraction, things that would normally earn you an infraction will get you a ban here.

Puding · 24-07-2008 05:28PM

Well a trustee from the other organizations i've been evolved in acts as a independent over sight almost, there normally approached by the organization and asked to be evolved they normal have nothing to do with the sport/club/charity/organization in term of taking park e.g they would not be airsofter.

they simple act as a way of insuring fairness and a way of making shore what the organization goes is far and not in any way against the charter.

Thats not really a complete description of the role but just the main bits. Trustees for example would have got involved with the mia iaa matter and could have independently confirmed that all was above board.

kdouglas · 24-07-2008 05:29PM

whydave wrote: »

pm me and i'll send you my copy !
don't need it any more

As I said, unhelpful comments will not go down well here, infracted aswell.

Puding · 24-07-2008 05:30PM

i'm not hiding behind a username
i wasn't able to make the agm last year as the day it was on was jhanged after i had booked time off
i could not make the egm as i had been made redundant

i don't think he was referring to you in any way, you started a thread in regard to iaa and horgan gave some views on the iaa not on you as far as i can read

kdouglas · 24-07-2008 05:33PM

Puding wrote: »

Well a trustee from the other organizations i've been evolved in acts as a independent over sight almost, there normally approached by the organization and asked to be evolved they normal have nothing to do with the sport/club/charity/organization in term of taking park e.g they would not be airsofter.

they simple act as a way of insuring fairness and a way of making shore what the organization goes is far and not in any way against the charter.

Thats not really a complete description of the role but just the main bits. Trustees for example would have got involved with the mia iaa matter and could have independently confirmed that all was above board.

The problem there is, who do you get to be the trustee? Why would anyone who has no interest in airsoft want to volunteer their time to oversee the IAA?

The Master · 24-07-2008 05:35PM

Yipee another thread about the IAA.
Haven't had one of these in a while.

If only the IAA site had its own forums where people could discuss IAA matters:rolleyes:

Puding · 24-07-2008 05:37PM

That is the problem, not just with airsoft, with the last organization i was involved in ( rowing ) i think i took 3 months to fill the trustee places. You would be surprised thought, there is a large number of people out there who are willign to help others even for smallest most random cause/organization.

But does not mean that you don;t try also it was only an idea, im of ferm belif that the iaa needs to get people confidence back and to do that oversight is need, but what i put forward was one idea.

cherubaul · 24-07-2008 05:38PM

I said No its not for me.

The IAA have'nt appeared on my Radar since their foundation. They have not as some would have us believe become the cornerstone of Irish airsoft nor have they been responsible for the popularisation of airsoft. yes they have leaflets and a website so yes inevitably they will attract people to it BUT.

TBH as much as this board has its faults its probably the main contributer to the popularisation of airsoft other than word of mouth.

Nor are the IAA the single entity standing between airsoft and overzealous detractors. Had the IAA not been formed I see no reason that airsoft would be banned or in any weaker position. Retailers have fought their corner as well as site owners Derek from MIA and John from Drogheda airsoft to mention but a few. Yes they have done SOME work with radio interviews etc. but if i remember correctly we had people from this board doing the same thing before their formation.

There has not been cause for me to join. I enquired about joining quite a while back but none of the assurances that i wanted were being met (no governmental recogniton or even from the sports council and no cross border programme) nor could the comitee member tell if or when this would be up for debate.

so as it stands the IAA doesnt for me represent a viable option as a rep/governing body and thus i havent joined.

now many people on here keep saying dont moan do something about it. I'm not moaning and I'm not detracting even if someone does detract this doesn't give someone the right to act all high and mighty (as often happens) those in the IAA are as bad as they think the detractors are in fact in many cases worse as they make the organisation look hostile and start a witch hunt which i'm sure the comitee dont appreciate and is ultimately self destructive. Good luck with your venture if at some stage your policies fall more into line with what i feel represents a true demograpic i will join but until that day i'll leave you to your own devices as long as you leave me to mine as there are as many people within your ranks who hate non members as there are non members who hate members.

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