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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    I wasnt having a go at ya Ted, just answering Jbravados question

    It seems as though your contradicting yourself, i dont take drugs but when i need to relax ill have a few pints i.e drugs

    http://www.teengrowth.com/index.cfm?action=info_advice&ID_Advice=2298&category=danger&catdesc=Danger&subdesc=Alcohol

    fwiw i find a pint a great way of relaxing too

    edit// lurker got there with the link before i noticed


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    He rails against "losers" taking "drugs" and suggests instead they take a day off and have a few beers.

    Alcohol is by far and away the most abused drug in this country, responsible for 10 times as much cost to the health care system as all illegal drugs combined. (source: Irish Times report on the health costs in this country circa 6 months ago.)

    It is rivaled only by that other "legal" drug nicotine.

    Its a testament to the power of marketing that people simply ignore the fact that it is
    C2H5OH, a chemical which passes the blood brain barrier and wreaks havoc with the structure of the brain if abused, can box the liver, pancreas and kidneys irredeemably. It has severe temporary withdrawal effects even after moderate usage.

    In short, its the (stereo)typical opinion held by "clean" Irishmen who would "box the head off their son if they found them doing drugs". Expressed while ordering another round and nipping out for a quick fag cos they're "gasping".

    I'm not a prude. I drink, I've smoked more then my fair share of weed (and most likely your share too, in fact :) ), but I cant abide the self delusion that booze is anything more then a drug. And a powerful one at that.

    Look, Hicks said all this better then I can.

    DeV.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Tight Ted wrote: »
    DVDFan, if you think there's no difference between self-medicating and having a few beers at the weekend, you're deluded.

    Ted if you think there is no difference between having a few spliffs at the weekend and getting wasted on liquor then you're deluded.
    Also, I don't use beer as a subtance to help me play poker, FFS!! After a session I don't say to myself "Golly, I'm so tense and stressed after that, I'm gonna get blind drunk!", if I did it would be a problem.

    Actually, thats pretty much exactly what you suggested.

    Its a chemical. You are suggesting using it to alter your mental state. I have 0 problem with that idea. I have a big problem with hypocrisy though.

    For the record, I think poker is a game of logic and math, I havent found a drug that improves those, and certainly nothing that could be taken or should be taken in the course of anyone's daily job.

    DeV.


  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Tight Ted


    Thanks very much all of you for your warnings to me on the dangers of drink. The concern you have shown is so warm-hearted.
    I was already aware that alcohol when used in excess can be very bad for you. However it may shock a few of you to learn that in moderation alcohol is OK.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/healthy_living/nutrition/drinks_alcohol.shtml

    I am not an alcoholic, nor do I binge drink. Just a few pints at the weekend. A few of you can try this and I assure you, you won't do yourself the type of damage that is reported in links so kindley poster here. Just make sure not to become hooked or do overdo it.

    I do however, NOT recommend, that you use any kind of prescription medication to help aid you with your poker. Your body could become dependent and you could be doing yourself harm. That being said if you're becoming hooked on alcohol, you should also stop and prehaps consult a doctor.

    Thanks again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭jbravado


    Lol? Ted is making perfect sense. Devore I dont rememeber him saying he "gets wasted on liquor"at any stage.


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  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Going back on topic...

    OP, I really seriously doubt that any drug is a good idea while playing. If you want a rather clinical answer, if you were too weigh up the cost of the drugs and any associated possible health issues around them and compared it to the extra money taking them would earn you I would imagine the profit will be marginal at best.

    Its also not a sustainable approach to the game and self-medicating to achieve a financial end or to "just get through the day" is pretty scary.

    DeV.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Lurker1977


    Hey Ted, I was just levelling. The reason we all posted links was to highlight the irony of your post about not taking drugs but you will drink beer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Tight Ted


    Lurker1977 wrote: »
    Hey Ted, I was just levelling. The reason we all posted links was to highlight the irony of your post about not taking drugs but you will drink beer.

    Well it didn't seem like leveling it seemed like childish nitpicking. What I said was take a day off and unwind with a few beers. The key point was taking a day off and unwinding, not drinking. I may as well have said take a day off and unwind with a great book.

    But the fact I said have a few beers leads you to say "Oh, well you say taking drugs on a daily basis to play poker to bad? Well you drink beer! Therefore you take drugs aswell and you're just as bad".


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    This thread really wasn't what i had in mind when i posted the op.

    Opr


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Lurker1977


    Sorry Opr, [\OT]

    I used to play 3hrs+ sessions of 6max but found that I started to make stupid calls etc after 2hrs and lost a lot of the gains I had made earlier in the session so now I play for 90 mins max and take 15 mins after each session to review winners and losers and see if there was any other way I could play the hand.

    As regards using some form of stimulant/relaxant, I can't think of anything that would help you without affecting judgement detrimentally but idk as i've never tried any tbh.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    I meant the whole drugs thing as an tongue in cheek attention grabber for the thread and wasn't really in any way serious about using drugs to help with my performance and was more looking for the kinds of things i descibed in the rest of the op.

    Opr


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 87 ✭✭krux



    I know a few people who are complete solpadene addicts, socially acceptable junkies tbh.

    I think this perhaps a little ott don't you?
    I've never seen a solpadeine addict p1ss on the floor or behave so appallingly because of that particular drug.Perhaps one should look into a mirror before labelling others
    From your blog....


    surely after 15 pints I represent the best value...
    he smacked me in the jaw....
    So all hell breaks loose and pretty soon we are all being escorted out by the bouncers and I am told my presence is no longer welcome at the casino...
    So let me set the scene Damo and myself are being broken up by the rest of the group apart from a couple of lads who are too busy trying to keep Rob Taylor upright as he is puking his guts up at the feet of the bouncers...


    I manage to get out of bed and walk next door to the toilet and proceed to relieve myself...
    I wasnt in a toilet at all and was taking a leak in the corner of Colletes room...
    So far too drunk to deal with this set of circumstances right here and now I turn tail and return to my bed lol


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,796 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I would say, healthy breakfast no matter what time you get up at, treat it the same way, followed by an hour or so of excercies.
    Then plan how much time you intend to play poker for and what times you are taking your breaks at. Also plan something else to keep you occupied while you play poker.
    And finally if you have a gf or bf, whatever way you swing, as soon as you finish, blow a load, and then sleep,
    or alternatively you can watch some pron as you wax the dolphin and then sleeeeeeeep.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    I'm pretty sure Adderall and similar drugs would be good for your poker, I've never tried it though. I can't understand how some people play stoned successfully.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭MrPillowTalk


    krux wrote: »
    I think this perhaps a little ott don't you?
    I've never seen a solpadeine addict p1ss on the floor or behave so appallingly because of that particular drug.Perhaps one should look into a mirror before labelling others
    From your blog....

    Did you catch me with my d1ck in your girlfreinds ass or what?

    The socially acceptable drug addict jibe was tounge in cheek as anyone with the slightest sense of humour would have realised. I couldnt give a fcuk what drugs people do or wheither or not they are addicted. I also dont really care if your appalled by my behaviour when Im drunk, but at the end of the day I can allways stop drinking you my freind will be an idiot for life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭bops


    this thread is lame - no-one tells the truth:

    average poker session (8 hrs)

    10 coffee's
    40 smokes
    5/6 spliffs
    1/4 oz coke
    1 box solphadine
    12 bottles beer (the big ones from lidl)

    if running hot - more coke and maybe a hooker (or 2 if im killing 10/20+)
    if running cold - 12 more beers and 20 more smokes

    that's what it takes to be the best gentlemen...excercice? LOL

    ...now back to work with me :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭hotspur


    People have such weird attitudes towards drugs. I don't mean Ted (it's pretty obvious from his previous posts that he's very young), but generally people have a weird reaction to the category 'drugs'. I would rather inject heroin once a week than smoke 10 fags a day or drink 20 pints a week. It is healthier. Calling something a drug doesn't mean a tremendous amount from a health point of view.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭The Al Lad


    hotspur wrote: »
    People have such weird attitudes towards drugs. I don't mean Ted (it's pretty obvious from his previous posts that he's very young), but generally people have a weird reaction to the category 'drugs'. I would rather inject heroin once a week than smoke 10 fags a day or drink 20 pints a week. It is healthier. Calling something a drug doesn't mean a tremendous amount from a health point of view.

    PM me, I will hook you up


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    Didnt even need to look at your location Al.


  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Tight Ted


    hotspur wrote: »
    People have such weird attitudes towards drugs. I don't mean Ted (it's pretty obvious from his previous posts that he's very young).

    Seems like a very badly concealed sly dig there. I could just as easily say something just as random about you, but thankfully have the maturity not to.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭The Al Lad


    bohsman wrote: »
    Didnt even need to look at your location Al.

    lol - maybe you woulda gone deeper tonight in the ecoop and got a better return for your investees if you were sitting there stones outta your banana:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    hotspur wrote: »
    People have such weird attitudes towards drugs. I don't mean Ted (it's pretty obvious from his previous posts that he's very young), but generally people have a weird reaction to the category 'drugs'. I would rather inject heroin once a week than smoke 10 fags a day or drink 20 pints a week. It is healthier. Calling something a drug doesn't mean a tremendous amount from a health point of view.

    Pints>>>>Heroin>>>>Fags

    imo


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭hotspur


    Tight Ted wrote: »
    Seems like a very badly concealed sly dig there. I could just as easily say something just as random about you, but thankfully have the maturity not to.

    Sigh. It was the opposite, I think your comments were being attacked somewhat unfairly. You should have read it as "to be fair he is pretty young", which you are, you wrote recently about coming back from discos. If I'm wrong about your age then God help you :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭Daithio


    DeVore wrote: »
    wow.

    No really... wow.... I want to explain the obvious, massive, gaping misconception but if you really meant to say that, I would hate to destroy such a perfect self delusion.

    Dude, this Bud's for you!

    DeV.

    Love this post.


  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Tight Ted


    hotspur wrote: »
    Sigh. It was the opposite, I think your comments were being attacked somewhat unfairly. You should have read it as "to be fair he is pretty young", which you are, you wrote recently about coming back from discos. If I'm wrong about your age then God help you :)

    "To be fair he is pretty young", Oh golly kind sir! Thank you for jumping to my defence. Yes, I'm an innocent idiot, but since I'm only 14 you can forgive me. I'm off now to play with my action men.

    Hotspur, you also wrote that you'd rather take a shot of heroin once a week than take 20 pints and 10 fags once a week because it does less damage to you . Look, I'll admit, I don't know much about the physical damage, you're probably right. But I'm guessing since you're knowledgable enough about the subject to make such an outlandish statement that you've first hand experience with heroin? You've used the substance before and know about all the psychological and addiction problems it causes. No? Didn't think so, because if you did, you'd know that no body does one shot of heroin a week. You don't see people clocking off work and saying 'Ah great Friday at last! Time for my weekly hit of heroin! Can't wait!, You know it's HEALTHIER than pints'. That's because heroin doesn't work like that, heroin is 4 time more addictive than Morphine, that's a FACT. Whereas a lot of people go for their Friday evening pints to unwind and for the social aspect, out of choice, not out of addiction (although many of them ARE addicted, I know this).

    Growing up I had a mate who was one of the most intelligent and soundest lads I ever knew, he was also batsh!t crazy. He was always going on about opiates and how great they were. Thought it was soo hypocritical that drinkers (he rarely drank, but smoked dope 24/7) could look down their nose at him because they were doing more damage to their organs, shortening their lives etc. He never injected either only sniffed them. I obviously never tried them myself, I barely drank/smoked dope. Well, after the leaving I fell out of contact with him, would see him around town the odd time, his he always looked dog rough, his story would always be the same, "not working, looking to start back in college next year", any job he got he wouldn't last more than a month at (he got nearly 500 in the leaving), and hung around with absolute LOSERS. Want to know where he is now? He's in JAIL. I'm not making this up, he's in jail because of heroin, so don't tell me that a shot of heroin is healtier than a few pints.

    If you want to read more about what addiction problems and trouble your 'one shot of heroin' will cause you. Read this.

    http://www.irishhealth.com/index.html?level=4&id=2292


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭Daithio


    Tight Ted wrote: »
    "To be fair he is pretty young", Oh golly kind sir! Thank you for jumping to my defence. Yes, I'm an innocent idiot, but since I'm only 14 you can forgive me. I'm off now to play with my action men.

    Hotspur, you also wrote that you'd rather take a shot of heroin once a week than take 20 pints and 10 fags once a week because it does less damage to you . Look, I'll admit, I don't know much about the physical damage, you're probably right. But I'm guessing since you're knowledgable enough about the subject to make such an outlandish statement that you've first hand experience with heroin? You've used the substance before and know about all the psychological and addiction problems it causes. No? Didn't think so, because if you did, you'd know that no body does one shot of heroin a week. You don't see people clocking off work and saying 'Ah great Friday at last! Time for my weekly hit of heroin! Can't wait!, You know it's HEALTHIER than pints'. That's because heroin doesn't work like that, heroin is 4 time more addictive than Morphine, that's a FACT. Whereas a lot of people go for their Friday evening pints to unwind and for the social aspect, out of choice, not out of addiction (although many of them ARE addicted, I know this).

    Growing up I had a mate who was one of the most intelligent and soundest lads I ever knew, he was also batsh!t crazy. He was always going on about opiates and how great they were. Thought it was soo hypocritical that drinkers (he rarely drank, but smoked dope 24/7) could look down their nose at him because they were doing more damage to their organs, shortening their lives etc. He never injected either only sniffed them. I obviously never tried them myself, I barely drank/smoked dope. Well, after the leaving I fell out of contact with him, would see him around town the odd time, his he always looked dog rough, his story would always be the same, "not working, looking to start back in college next year", any job he got he wouldn't last more than a month at (he got nearly 500 in the leaving), and hung around with absolute LOSERS. Want to know where he is now? He's in JAIL. I'm not making this up, he's in jail because of heroin, so don't tell me that a shot of heroin is healtier than a few pints.

    If you want to read more about what addiction problems and trouble your 'one shot of heroin' will cause you. Read this.

    http://www.irishhealth.com/index.html?level=4&id=2292

    Ted you need to get off your high horse and chill the **** out. Everybody has responded to your opinions on this matter civilly and without resorting to personal attacks. You should do the same and stop being so defensive.

    Your arguments are fundamentally flawed for so many reasons. Anecdotal evidence of one person you know who went and abused some particular drug is not sufficient to show that said drug is worse, better, more addictive, or more dangerous than any other drug. Your 2nd hand experience of one person's problem with heroin does not make you an authority on the matter. It's awful what happened to your mate, but the problem probably wasn't the heroin, it was your mate's propensity to abuse it.

    Nobody is trying to advocate the use of hard drugs here. In fact, I think everybody in this thread would agree that the abuse of any substance, be it solpadeine or cocaine, is a very bad thing. What is being disputed here is the overly simplistic way in which most people assign classes to different drugs. It's not quite as straight forward as you think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Tight Ted


    Daithio wrote: »
    Your arguments are fundamentally flawed for so many reasons. Anecdotal evidence of one person you know who went and abused some particular drug is not sufficient to show that said drug is worse, better, more addictive, or more dangerous than any other drug. Your 2nd hand experience of one person's problem with heroin does not make you an authority on the matter. It's awful what happened to your mate, but the problem probably wasn't the heroin, it was your mate's propensity to abuse it..

    I stated that heroin is 4 times more addictive than morphine (that's a fact). That makes heroin much more addictive than alcohol and cigarettes. Here's some information about Morphine addiction.

    http://www.narconon.ca/morphine.htm

    I know I'm no authority, but trust me, anyone who says it's just as dangerous to an individual to do a weekly shot of heroin as it is to have a few weekly couple of pints is talking through their hat.

    I'm lead to believe by your reply that you do heroin Daithio, or do you have friends who do the drug? If you do, can you say with your hand on your heart that it is safer and less habit forming that alcohol?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Tight Ted wrote: »

    I'm lead to believe by your reply that you do heroin Daithio, or do you have friends who do the drug? If you do, can you say with your hand on your heart that it is safer and less habit forming that alcohol?

    Either this is a huge level or else just stop because your embarassing yourself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭hotspur


    Tight Ted wrote: »
    But I'm guessing since you're knowledgable enough about the subject to make such an outlandish statement that you've first hand experience with heroin? You've used the substance before and know about all the psychological and addiction problems it causes. No? Didn't think so, because if you did, you'd know that no body does one shot of heroin a week.

    I'll put it down to negative variance that you happened to say that to the one guy on this forum who is a psychologist and whose expertise is addiction. Bad beat. But just so you know people can and do use heroin once a week unproblematically, we have known this for decades since the research on the returning US soldiers from Vietnam who picked up using the drug there. Also heroin is a pretty clean drug, it's just that virtually zero heroin addicts just stick to heroin, they are all polydrug users. Of course you won't read this in any general media, because drugs are bad kids! It wasn't until I did a postgraduate degree in addiction that I realised just how misinformed I had been about drugs, the reality is very different to the propaganda.

    So there ye go, Dr Hotspur recommends heroin, good for what ails ye! ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Tight Ted


    hotspur wrote: »
    I'll put it down to negative variance that you happened to say that to the one guy on this forum who is a psychologist and whose expertise is addiction. Bad beat. But just so you know people can and do use heroin once a week unproblematically, we have known this for decades since the research on the returning US soldiers from Vietnam who picked up using the drug there. Also heroin is a pretty clean drug, it's just that virtually zero heroin addicts just stick to heroin, they are all polydrug users. Of course you won't read this in any general media, because drugs are bad kids! It wasn't until I did a postgraduate degree in addiction that I realised just how misinformed I had been about drugs, the reality is very different to the propaganda.

    So there ye go, Dr Hotspur recommends heroin, good for what ails ye! ;)

    OK, look I can't argue with that, you're the expert. My experience with heroin has been very very limited, but at the same time it's also been very very negative. Maybe I'm plain ignorant, but if I saw a family member or close friend of mine deciding to take a shot of heroin, I'd do everything I could to strongly discourage them, much more so than if I saw them drinking a pint or with a cigarette in their hand, and I'd hope you'd be the same, despite of what you've been educated.


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