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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Wigertoods


    Kingdom wrote: »
    Sorry pal, I'm here and hope to stay for a while (Sat at least:pac:)
    Seeing as you can be as impartial as anyone here, care to predict any outcomes of the matches?

    Ladies draw was pretty unspectacular, Bar Ger Ward and Tara Dillon.

    ok here goes,

    Ray Murphy
    Liam O' Donovan (Although Gavin Carthy could prove a diffuclt opponent here)
    Jason O' Reagan (Some big names in this section though)
    Anthony Malone (if this was outside Dublin I'd go for Paul O'Brien,no offense Kingdom)
    Sean Downes
    Frank O' Donoghue
    Jim Judge Jnr (This was the toughest call of them all.Anyone in this section can get through,but jim can be tough when he gets a match under his belt)
    William Buckley Jnr (Altough John Walsh might have something to say about that)

    Some tough groups there but that's as honest as i can get without being biased in any way.no offense ment to anybody these are just my opinions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Wigertoods wrote: »
    Have to agree.Whilst we did take the piss a bit on the webcast forum it was a big step in the right direction.
    with broadband widly available there's no reason why they can't have a live scoreboard updated instantanously.forget the walkie talkie crap.

    Who was on the forum Wiger?
    With regards to a live scoreboard, the courses this year (for gents anyway) would be perfect. Glenville, Tullamore, Larkspur all have ample space and good positions where score boards can be placed and updated. I heard before some seniors to be annoyed at being asked for scores. I don't see how this can be annoying? As it is the guy(s) you're playing with (or against in Mplay) know how you're doing anyway!
    A score check every six holes wouldn't be out of order. As it is in Bridgets this weekend there will be a delay at the 7th anyway!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭HITMANHEALY


    Kingdom wrote: »
    Who was on the forum Wiger?
    With regards to a live scoreboard, the courses this year (for gents anyway) would be perfect. Glenville, Tullamore, Larkspur all have ample space and good positions where score boards can be placed and updated. I heard before some seniors to be annoyed at being asked for scores. I don't see how this can be annoying? As it is the guy(s) you're playing with (or against in Mplay) know how you're doing anyway!
    A score check every six holes wouldn't be out of order. As it is in Bridgets this weekend there will be a delay at the 7th anyway!

    Every 6 holes would be perfect, i dont mind telling people my score, my mind does wonder a bit so it be good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭HITMANHEALY


    Wigertoods wrote: »
    ok here goes,

    Ray Murphy
    Liam O' Donovan (Although Gavin Carthy could prove a diffuclt opponent here)
    Jason O' Reagan (Some big names in this section though)
    Anthony Malone (if this was outside Dublin I'd go for Paul O'Brien,no offense Kingdom)
    Sean Downes
    Frank O' Donoghue
    Jim Judge Jnr (This was the toughest call of them all.Anyone in this section can get through,but jim can be tough when he gets a match under his belt)
    William Buckley Jnr (Altough John Walsh might have something to say about that)

    Some tough groups there but that's as honest as i can get without being biased in any way.no offense ment to anybody these are just my opinions.

    I take it this will be the last 8, it will be so hard to predict, so think we should leave it to the day, did anyone ever back on there own match and what kind of odds would u be looking at.

    O i played with jim judge in the leinster inter county 2 year ago so know how he plays be interesting weekend


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Wigertoods


    Kingdom wrote: »
    Who was on the forum Wiger?
    With regards to a live scoreboard, the courses this year (for gents anyway) would be perfect. Glenville, Tullamore, Larkspur all have ample space and good positions where score boards can be placed and updated. I heard before some seniors to be annoyed at being asked for scores. I don't see how this can be annoying? As it is the guy(s) you're playing with (or against in Mplay) know how you're doing anyway!
    A score check every six holes wouldn't be out of order. As it is in Bridgets this weekend there will be a delay at the 7th anyway!

    I know myself and hitman were there,altogether there were 54 online but most of them stayed anonymous.
    If the NEC have someboby to follow each match,whether they be locals from the host course or delegates from each county board then they won't need to ask anybody their score.They can have PDA's or some form of electronic hand held terminal that can update to a central scoreboard and it would happen each hole instantly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Wigertoods


    I take it this will be the last 8, it will be so hard to predict, so think we should leave it to the day, did anyone ever back on there own match and what kind of odds would u be looking at.

    O i played with jim judge in the leinster inter county 2 year ago so know how he plays be interesting weekend

    betting on single matches are quite common on the course but the odds don't tend to be great.Even money more often than not,maybe 5/4


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Wigertoods wrote: »
    ok here goes,

    Ray Murphy
    Liam O' Donovan (Although Gavin Carthy could prove a diffuclt opponent here)
    Jason O' Reagan (Some big names in this section though)
    Anthony Malone (if this was outside Dublin I'd go for Paul O'Brien,no offense Kingdom)
    Sean Downes
    Frank O' Donoghue
    Jim Judge Jnr (This was the toughest call of them all.Anyone in this section can get through,but jim can be tough when he gets a match under his belt)
    William Buckley Jnr (Altough John Walsh might have something to say about that)

    Some tough groups there but that's as honest as i can get without being biased in any way.no offense ment to anybody these are just my opinions.

    none taken, you've just entered my book thats all. C.lollins pg 127. thats your 2nd entry, mind you I have one struck through. ;)
    while not being defeatest form sways a persons opinion and to be fair both skinner and o'brien are on form at the mo. Have to say too its a very good draw and as good as the cork lads are glenville is one of those courses that you're pitching will be rewarded, so I think there will be a lot of tight games from the so-called underdogs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    I seem to have been swallowed up by Matchplay talk and would really like to hear your thoughts guys, so I'm reposting here:

    Been a while since I posted guys, our Open is on at the minute (Shandon), is anyone thinking of dropping over for a round or two through the weekend?

    I must say, I am playing quite poorly at the minute, keep lifting my head and slicing off to the right horribly. Cant figure it out, so any advice would be hugely appreciated!

    Got my handicap sorted, a 6, which I felt was a bit of a killer but its my own fault for posting a good score in my first comp. to win best 18 nett.

    Not much movement on the P&P forum front here at boards.ie, have any of you guys ever thought about setting up our own P&P players website?

    Also, I've entered the Dublin Matchplay at Inter level, any advice on how that is played? Or even how it works would be great too! Its in Erins Isle I believe, which I have played once in my life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Wigertoods


    Kingdom wrote: »
    none taken, you've just entered my book thats all. C.lollins pg 127. thats your 2nd entry, mind you I have one struck through. ;)
    while not being defeatest form sways a persons opinion and to be fair both skinner and o'brien are on form at the mo. Have to say too its a very good draw and as good as the cork lads are glenville is one of those courses that you're pitching will be rewarded, so I think there will be a lot of tight games from the so-called underdogs.

    would agree there,Glenville is a fine example of good play being rewarded.
    Still makes for a very interesting weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    I take it this will be the last 8, it will be so hard to predict, so think we should leave it to the day, did anyone ever back on there own match and what kind of odds would u be looking at.

    O i played with jim judge in the leinster inter county 2 year ago so know how he plays be interesting weekend

    You won't get good odds on your match I'm afraid Hitman. Usually Derek is decent in terms of variety of bets and singles what not. I don't know much bout Cahill. I have never bet on myself but I have bet on other players to win outright and in individual matches. There usually is a lot of money laid, in some cases quite substantial amounts.

    As for whats it like to play in? Very enjoyable. Its not like any of the other competitions as there can be masses following you or nobody (obviously depending on who you are and who you're playing). Dublin, like cork, are superb supporters of their own countymen regardless of club loyalties, so can expect a lot of support Hitman, even more so with the competition being in Glenville. Enjoy it though, as you say its your first time in 7 yrs, bad luck or draws could make it another 7.
    I'm lucky that I've qualified a few years in a row now, the first year I qualified from Offaly i went on the lash the night before my match and as a result I didn't give myself a chance the next day. I was 9 holes in before I started to play.
    No harm to hit a couple of shots in the club across the road that morning hitman. Just to loosen up like. ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Thanks WIger and Kingdom, i expect all matches to be finals so thats the way ill approach it, i playing in the seniors 7 years now any advice on the day as its a national and my first time

    Sorry meant to say, its not too different to playing inter-county if you're referring to experience or nerves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Been a while since I posted guys, our Open is on at the minute (Shandon), is anyone thinking of dropping over for a round or two through the weekend?

    I must say, I am playing quite poorly at the minute, keep lifting my head and slicing off to the right horribly. Cant figure it out, so any advice would be hugely appreciated!

    Got my handicap sorted, a 6, which I felt was a bit of a killer but its my own fault for posting a good score in my first comp. to win best 18 nett.

    Not much movement on the P&P forum front here at boards.ie, have any of you guys ever thought about setting up our own P&P players website?

    Also, I've entered the Dublin Matchplay at Inter level, any advice on how that is played? Or even how it works would be great too! Its in Erins Isle I believe, which I have played once in my life.

    Draupnir, with the Leinster on this weekend (and work :mad:) I won't be over there. Usually Shandon have two opens a year. Is this true for this year?
    As for the slicing, slow everything down. Keep the noggin down. If that still doesn't work, play one of the shorter holes a few times ( i think the 5th is a small enough) to get the confidence going.
    The Dublin matchplay is a good competition which anybody can win due to the nature of the earlier rounds! :D
    All matches up to the final are played over 18 holes. Usually the Inter section is quite competitive. I believe we've a former winner in our ranks here Wiger.

    As for a new website, such an endevour would take a bit of organising, so maybe something might crop up over the winter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Wigertoods wrote: »
    I know myself and hitman were there,altogether there were 54 online but most of them stayed anonymous.
    If the NEC have someboby to follow each match,whether they be locals from the host course or delegates from each county board then they won't need to ask anybody their score.They can have PDA's or some form of electronic hand held terminal that can update to a central scoreboard and it would happen each hole instantly.

    Wiger from looking at some of your posts on other sections you seem to be a techohead, however what your suggesting while excellent, seems expensive? Would it be a burden on the Unions finances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Wigertoods


    Draupnir wrote: »
    I seem to have been swallowed up by Matchplay talk and would really like to hear your thoughts guys, so I'm reposting here:

    Been a while since I posted guys, our Open is on at the minute (Shandon), is anyone thinking of dropping over for a round or two through the weekend?

    I must say, I am playing quite poorly at the minute, keep lifting my head and slicing off to the right horribly. Cant figure it out, so any advice would be hugely appreciated!

    Got my handicap sorted, a 6, which I felt was a bit of a killer but its my own fault for posting a good score in my first comp. to win best 18 nett.

    Not much movement on the P&P forum front here at boards.ie, have any of you guys ever thought about setting up our own P&P players website?

    Also, I've entered the Dublin Matchplay at Inter level, any advice on how that is played? Or even how it works would be great too! Its in Erins Isle I believe, which I have played once in my life.

    Quite a lot here,
    I should be down to shandon on Sunday for a round or two.Going to a wedding tonight so sat will be a day of rest me thinks.

    As for the slicing,there are many many causes of this.The most common faults in p&p for slicing are
    1 moving of the head/upper body before making contact with the ball.(don't mind the people telling you that you are lifting your head.seems to be eveybodys answer to slices).
    2 Standing too close to the ball and causing you to "adjust" your swing and you end up hitting the ball with the heel of the club.
    3 trying to force the shot. (i.e swinging too fast).Only the 8th in shandon would cause you to try this but some people feel they need to swing really hard to get the ball moving.

    If you keep these in mind then you should be fine.

    Dublin matchplay is normally held over the week evenings at about 6:30.
    All matches are over 18 holes up until the final which is 36 holes.
    Normally depending on entries you will only play one match per night providing of course that you keep winning.
    All players play off scratch in their grade.
    Hope this helps Draupnir


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Kingdom wrote: »
    Draupnir, with the Leinster on this weekend (and work :mad:) I won't be over there. Usually Shandon have two opens a year. Is this true for this year?
    As for the slicing, slow everything down. Keep the noggin down. If that still doesn't work, play one of the shorter holes a few times ( i think the 5th is a small enough) to get the confidence going.
    The Dublin matchplay is a good competition which anybody can win due to the nature of the earlier rounds! :D
    All matches up to the final are played over 18 holes. Usually the Inter section is quite competitive. I believe we've a former winner in our ranks here Wiger.

    As for a new website, such an endevour would take a bit of organising, so maybe something might crop up over the winter.

    Thanks for the advice, I will certainly keep the slicing advice in mind on my next practice.

    I dont know about a second open right now but will definitely inform the forum once I hear anything.

    I'm really looking forward to the experience of the matchplay, I cant imagine I'll do a whole lot of damage but it will be good to play and enjoy.

    In terms of setting up a website, I work in the software industry so may be of some value if/when we might come to do it.

    The future is definitely in live scoreboards, but I think P&P should pioneer the use of handheld devices by players themselves to mark their cards as they play rather than having scorers on the course.

    A system like that would allow for virtually instant updates and is something which our golfing brethren would be very interested in. There is a huge market there and it is relatively easy to accomplish, particularly with the iPhone and Mobile Device market as strong and widespread as it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Wigertoods


    Kingdom wrote: »
    Wiger from looking at some of your posts on other sections you seem to be a techohead, however what your suggesting while excellent, seems expensive? Would it be a burden on the Unions finances.

    I've been called worse :D:D
    They don't have to buy the equipment they could rent it out.
    The most expensive part would be paying someone to do it all for them because it seems to me they fell quite short on the webcam draw.
    Every spotty teenager who got mammy and daddy to buy them a dell can setup a webcam with better sound/picture then the one last night.
    Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to put down anyone who's willing to give their free time to our sport but the could have done a better job.

    Anyway don't they have the Laptop and big 42" lcd from the intercounty last year.They don't need much more.A wireless internet connection and a few pda's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Wigertoods


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Thanks for the advice, I will certainly keep the slicing advice in mind on my next practice.

    I dont know about a second open right now but will definitely inform the forum once I hear anything.

    I'm really looking forward to the experience of the matchplay, I cant imagine I'll do a whole lot of damage but it will be good to play and enjoy.

    In terms of setting up a website, I work in the software industry so may be of some value if/when we might come to do it.

    The future is definitely in live scoreboards, but I think P&P should pioneer the use of handheld devices by players themselves to mark their cards as they play rather than having scorers on the course.

    A system like that would allow for virtually instant updates and is something which our golfing brethren would be very interested in. There is a huge market there and it is relatively easy to accomplish, particularly with the iPhone and Mobile Device market as strong and widespread as it is.

    I think the idea for digital hand held devices to mark cards is a great one and has been around for a while.I think the problem originally was not being able to digitally "sign" the card.Technology does now exist and this is the way foward.This is perfect for major events and the like,but for club competition it would be a lot harder to monitor as it would mean every player would have to have these devices as part of their "equipment" so to speak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Wigertoods wrote: »
    Quite a lot here,
    I should be down to shandon on Sunday for a round or two.Going to a wedding tonight so sat will be a day of rest me thinks.

    As for the slicing,there are many many causes of this.The most common faults in p&p for slicing are
    1 moving of the head/upper body before making contact with the ball.(don't mind the people telling you that you are lifting your head.seems to be eveybodys answer to slices).
    2 Standing too close to the ball and causing you to "adjust" your swing and you end up hitting the ball with the heel of the club.
    3 trying to force the shot. (i.e swinging too fast).Only the 8th in shandon would cause you to try this but some people feel they need to swing really hard to get the ball moving.

    If you keep these in mind then you should be fine.

    Dublin matchplay is normally held over the week evenings at about 6:30.
    All matches are over 18 holes up until the final which is 36 holes.
    Normally depending on entries you will only play one match per night providing of course that you keep winning.
    All players play off scratch in their grade.
    Hope this helps Draupnir

    Cheers for the advice Wiger, the slicing advice will hopefully help, its hitting my confidence hard and affecting my play quite a bit so my practice is suffering from it. Although my long chipping is probably improving drastically!

    I will keep an eye out for you on Sunday, I am playing that day myself, so keep an eye out for the guy slicing onto the wrong greens! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭HITMANHEALY


    Thanks Kingdom alot of useful information to take it in, after booking my holiday to crete so be back friday the day before the matchplay starts,i will prob head to glenville that morning and then loughlinstown saturday, i take it that im in the bottom half it prob wont be to the afternoon before i play, do u reckon they'll have practice times up soon might head up next week to play


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Wigertoods wrote: »
    I think the idea for digital hand held devices to mark cards is a great one and has been around for a while.I think the problem originally was not being able to digitally "sign" the card.Technology does now exist and this is the way foward.This is perfect for major events and the like,but for club competition it would be a lot harder to monitor as it would mean every player would have to have these devices as part of their "equipment" so to speak.

    Absolutely, I agree completely that it is only really achievable within our sport for major championships, but I think it is definitely worth doing before it becomes regular within the golf world.

    Digital signing isn't as big a deal as it might be, so long as everyone can agree to a digital signing system.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Wigertoods


    Thanks Kingdom alot of useful information to take it in, after booking my holiday to crete so be back friday the day before the matchplay starts,i will prob head to glenville that morning and then loughlinstown saturday, i take it that im in the bottom half it prob wont be to the afternoon before i play, do u reckon they'll have practice times up soon might head up next week to play

    It's unlikely that the course will be available for practise on the friday.If it is avoid it like the plaque any time after 11:00am.Every tee box will be full and you will be lucky if you get 36 holes in.Also more time will be spent talking to other people floating around than any actual "real" practise.
    If the course is open friday my advise is to get there before 9:00 and you will get 36 holes in before most are out of bed and then you can flute about all you like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Wigertoods wrote: »
    Quite a lot here,
    I should be down to shandon on Sunday for a round or two.

    You not forgetting something.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Eegorbishcan


    Kingdom wrote: »
    Eegor, if the National Scramble wasn't to your liking (in fairness it is more like a novelty competition) then you should get your ar$e over to Glenville in Kiltipper in Tallaght for these championships. Guarenteed to be a good display of pitch and putt. If the sun shines it has the prospect of a fantastic weekend.

    Thanks very much Mr Kingdom I really appreciate all you're support and help.. And I wouldn't let one competition spoil my view of a new sport... I remember back after I was first crowned champion for Ireland in '1975, I was delighted but the tournament in 76 was a discrace, (the good looking guys won everything, more brown envelopes than Bertie could manage I think!!) but that really put me off the sport, I gained a few pounds and done a Georgey Best on it but the wife beat me around a bit, I gave up the poitín, got straight back on that elephant and in 79 won the damm thing again!!
    Anyway the point is, Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, I can see this sport eventually building into something people will respect, with people like you, Harry, duggy and wigger woods and all the others that post here I can see a bright future for this thing!!

    I am going to be up at bordnameena the weekend, so I should drop over to kiltipper on my way home, the weather should be glorius (I hope the play can match it ;)) will you be there Mr Kingdom??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Wigertoods wrote: »
    It's unlikely that the course will be available for practise on the friday.If it is avoid it like the plaque any time after 11:00am.Every tee box will be full and you will be lucky if you get 36 holes in.Also more time will be spent talking to other people floating around than any actual "real" practise.
    If the course is open friday my advise is to get there before 9:00 and you will get 36 holes in before most are out of bed and then you can flute about all you like.

    Good advice Wiger. I'd agree with all of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Thanks very much Mr Kingdom I really appreciate all you're support and help.. And I wouldn't let one competition spoil my view of a new sport... I remember back after I was first crowned champion for Ireland in '1975, I was delighted but the tournament in 76 was a discrace, (the good looking guys won everything, more brown envelopes than Bertie could manage I think!!) but that really put me off the sport, I gained a few pounds and done a Georgey Best on it but the wife beat me around a bit, I gave up the poitín, got straight back on that elephant and in 79 won the damm thing again!!
    Anyway the point is, Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, I can see this sport eventually building into something people will respect, with people like you, Harry, duggy and wigger woods and all the others that post here I can see a bright future for this thing!!

    I am going to be up at bordnameena the weekend, so I should drop over to kiltipper on my way home, the weather should be glorius (I hope the play can match it ;)) will you be there Mr Kingdom??

    Probably not yegor, probably not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Eegorbishcan


    I was looking forward to meeting you... you sound like an interesting character from Kerry, living in Tullamore, who speaks Dub???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    I was looking forward to meeting you... you sound like an interesting character from Kerry, living in Tullamore, who speaks Dub???

    don't remember saying anything like that in this form Yegor? Nothing interesting about me man, ask anyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Wigertoods


    Kingdom wrote: »
    You not forgetting something.....

    Aah it's only the Leinster Strokeplay.Have one of them already :p:p
    Totally forgot about it to be honest.Will have to try and make shandon on sat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Wigertoods


    I was looking forward to meeting you... you sound like an interesting character from Kerry, living in Tullamore, who speaks Dub???

    I think your secret is out Kingdom.Eegor has you nailed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Eegorbishcan


    Just my observations Mr Kingdom... You see your name is Kingdom (Kerry) in the matches you are listed as Tullamore and you speak like a dub!! Maybe I was wrong but a good chess player isn't usually wrong I can see a good bishop ten blocks a way!!


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