Best 3 arts to mix for fighting

cowzerp · 13-05-2008 04:27PM #1

O;k, its about time we got a little debate and craic going here!!

i seen this on another forum and there was some weird mixes!
There is loads of mixes but just put down your opinion and be ready to say why you chose your 3!!
Best 3 arts for MMA style matches, NHB etc..

Judomad · 13-05-2008 04:31PM

cowzerp wrote: »

O;k, its about time we got a little debate and craic going here!!

i seen this on another forum and there was some weird mixes!
There is loads of mixes but just put down your opinion and be ready to say why you chose your 3!!
Best 3 arts for MMA style matches, NHB etc..

1) boxing
2) judo
3) wrestling

thats an easy one. no need for kicks if you have them 3, a punch is faster than a kick, and also you cant kick if your on your back...

RedRaven · 13-05-2008 04:32PM

Boxing
Muay Thai
BJJ

Richie_Gorey · 13-05-2008 04:36PM

muay thai
wrestling
bjj

Judomad · 13-05-2008 04:38PM

Richie_Gorey wrote: »

muay thai
wrestling
bjj

is that richard gorey from fethard????

Charlie3dan · 13-05-2008 04:41PM

Ninjitsu
Shaolin Kung Fu
Tai Chi

.....nah i'm kidding but you should see your faces!!!!

Richie_Gorey · 13-05-2008 04:42PM

Yup.

I know your prob thinking i'm a traitor for leaving out judo, but if it was any 2 styles i would of said judo and muay thai.

cowzerp · 13-05-2008 04:43PM

Charlie3dan wrote: »

Ninjitsu
Shaolin Kung Fu
Tai Chi

.....nah i'm kidding but you should see your faces!!!!

Damn i really thought you where serious-was going to ask for you in my next mma match!!!

By the way, Trad arts people are welcome, just be ready for grilling on reasons why!!

Charlie3dan · 13-05-2008 04:45PM

cowzerp wrote: »

Damn i really thought you where serious-was going to ask for you in my next mma match!!!

Sorry it was cruel but irresistable

Judomad · 13-05-2008 04:47PM

cowzerp wrote: »

Damn i really thought you where serious-was going to ask for you in my next mma match!!!

would have been class, haha

and richie, i wouldnt say your a traitor, i genuinely think judo is one of the best as you are comfortable standing and on the ground whether your on your back or all 4s, so i reckon my 3 are the perfect mix, but damn i for bout ninjitsu and tai-chi haha

Martin Walker · 13-05-2008 05:03PM

Muay Thai: Explosive striking with elbows and knees
Wrestling: Control in clinch. Take downs and big slams. GNP
BJJ: Submissions can flow from any position.

cowzerp · 13-05-2008 05:07PM

Striking-Boxing-footwork, fast hands and less risk of been taking down than other striking arts! plus adding in kicks and knee's is easy with good boxing.

Wrestling-controlling where the fight takes place, standing or on the ground due to great takedowns and defense.

BJJ-full body submissions and submission defense.

The ultimate fighter!

Martin Walker · 13-05-2008 05:19PM

cowzerp wrote: »

Striking-Boxing-footwork, fast hands and less risk of been taking down than other striking arts! plus adding in kicks and knee's is easy with good boxing.

Wrestling-controlling where the fight takes place, standing or on the ground due to great takedowns and defense.

BJJ-full body submissions and submission defense.

The ultimate fighter!

HEY!
Thats wot i said!
Ure copyin me.:)

Nothingcompares · 13-05-2008 05:45PM

thai,submission wrestling,yoga

Conchubhair · 13-05-2008 06:09PM

Judo
Muay Thai
JiuJitsu (not BJJ< :mad: >...traditional jiujitsu of course)

Mark Hamill · 13-05-2008 06:54PM

Charlie3dan wrote: »

Ninjitsu
Shaolin Kung Fu
Tai Chi

.....nah i'm kidding but you should see your faces!!!!

Looked something like this

:

For me, it would be Muay Thai, BJJ and Wrestling, pretty much for the same reasons as Martin Walker

Mark Hamill · 13-05-2008 06:56PM

Conchubhair wrote: »

JiuJitsu (not BJJ< :mad: >...traditional jiujitsu of course)

Really? why?, what do you think it does better than BJJ?

Khannie · 13-05-2008 07:00PM

Judomad wrote: »

no need for kicks if you have them 3, a punch is faster than a kick, and also you cant kick if your on your back...

You're forgetting knees and elbows.

Honestly, I think relying on your hands as your sole source of striking for someone who's supposed to be a well rounded fighter would be madness.

cowzerp wrote:

Striking-Boxing-footwork, fast hands and less risk of been taking down than other striking arts! plus adding in kicks and knee's is easy with good boxing.

You could easily turn that around and say that level of boxing a Muay Thai practitioner achieves is more than good enough when you throw in the extra weapons they have.

Also, kicking is easy, you're right. Kicking with speed and power is very difficult to achieve though. I think it's safe to say that someone who doesn't practice kicking a lot will have their kick seen a mile away and be taken down fairly swiftly. If you don't kick at all in a fight, your opponent will surely see this weakness and exploit it with leg kicks (which are low risk and potentially high reward).

My 3:

Muay Thai
BJJ
Wrestling

FiannaGym.com · 13-05-2008 09:01PM

1, MMA Stand-up
2, MMA Clinch
3, MMA Ground

Peace

cowzerp · 13-05-2008 10:32PM

Khannie wrote: »

Also, kicking is easy, you're right. Kicking with speed and power is very difficult to achieve though. I think it's safe to say that someone who doesn't practice kicking a lot will have their kick seen a mile away and be taken down fairly swiftly. If you don't kick at all in a fight, your opponent will surely see this weakness and exploit it with leg kicks (which are low risk and potentially high reward).
My 3:

There is no right answers here! just opinions!
we train all the weapons but do it in a more boxing style!
we dont train muay thai, but do train punching, knee's, elbows and kicks but it is all based around boxing-very different to muay thai. so i'm a boxer who kicks and grapples! call it what you want-i call it mma!

Martin Walker · 13-05-2008 10:37PM

I think your all sick.

Violence solves nothing........

Whats wrong with a good book and some quiet meditation? Maybe some watercolors?:D

arybvtcw0eolkf · 13-05-2008 10:39PM

Muay Thai,

BJJ &/or No Gi grappling.

When I've seen a Judoka confident in his take down's I'd put Judo a joint second with BJJ.

TKD SC · 14-05-2008 09:58AM

Mairt wrote: »

Muay Thai,

BJJ &/or No Gi grappling.

When I've seen a Judoka confident in his take down's I'd put Judo a joint second with BJJ.

Hey Mairt,

Can you expand on this a little? Should a Judoka not be more confident in their takedowns than bjj / most ma's anyway?...Or do you mean at that point, they'd take more time to practise their ground game? Maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

Just curious and interested in what you meant!
Tks

Simon

Also, was thinking - I like this approach of mentioning the "best 2" as opposed to the "best 3" to train in, in that most people who cross train might have a main MA and then train in a 2nd one while it would be harder to find time to actually train in 3 seperate MA's for people? Which might bring it back to Fianna Gyms comment of MMA, MMA, MMA as making the most sense! But given the thread is a bit of fun, what would people say are the 2 MAs they'd pick if they could only pick 2? And you can't pick MMA as them both!!

O'Leprosy · 14-05-2008 12:02PM

Richie_Gorey wrote: »

muay thai
wrestling
bjj

Martin Walker wrote: »

Muay Thai: Explosive striking with elbows and knees
Wrestling: Control in clinch. Take downs and big slams. GNP
BJJ: Submissions can flow from any position.

Fully agreed, I reckon boxing is over rated for MMA, think some of the fans of good old fashioned boxing just don't want to let go, understandable, ( BTW boxing was my first combat sport so it's not that I'm bigoted against it ). Supposing you trained a boxer in BJJ and Wrestling, Ground and Pound etc, but doing no other form of standup striking except boxing. Put him against a Muay Thai fighter and he'd be completely lost on how to cope with kicks, ( not just low leg kicks ), knees in the clinch, elbows etc. BTW, only trained in a few classes of Thai, black belt in TKD, still reckon from my though short experience, Muay Thai beats any striking system.

yomchi · 14-05-2008 12:13PM

Just to throw a spanner in,
Having all the necessary skills to be an all round fighter means shag all if you haven't the mindset - more commonly knowns as 'the balls' to do what has to be done when it has to be done.
So, the question should be, which art can equip me with the mindset to be an all round fighter - answer, none.
It's an individual thing. Some of the best scrappers on the street never trained a day in their lives. The most ruthless are sociopaths or those with balls in abundance but with no morals . The sport to combat these nuts, is sprinting and long jumping.

O'Leprosy · 14-05-2008 12:19PM

Jon wrote: »

Just to throw a spanner in,
Having all the necessary skills to be an all round fighter means shag all if you haven't the mindset - more commonly knowns as 'the balls' to do what has to be done when it has to be done.
So, the question should be, which art can equip me with the mindset to be an all round fighter - answer, none.
It's an individual thing. Some of the best scrappers on the street never trained a day in their lives. The most ruthless are sociopaths or those with balls in abundance but with no morals . The sport to combat these nuts, is sprinting and long jumping.

Looks like I've been rumbled, spanner removed

hypnosisdublin · 14-05-2008 12:21PM

Sambo
Wrestling
Muay-Thai

Fozzy · 14-05-2008 12:52PM

There was a question on Inside MMA (an American tv show that covers MMA, Bas Rutten is one of the hosts) last week asking what was the most important martial art for MMA out of wrestling, BJJ and Muay Thai. A poll on their website said BJJ was most important and Bas was a bit surprised by that. He said that wrestling is the most important because it's the MMA fighters who have great wrestling who are able to choose where the fight takes place. Josh Barnett and Dan Severn were on and they agreed with Bas. They brought up the recent Serra vs GSP fight, GSP's wrestling won that fight

Ramunas · 14-05-2008 03:06PM

Sambo
muay thai
BJJ

Roper · 14-05-2008 03:16PM

I love BJJ, but if I had access to high level wrestling and I was training to fight pro MMA, AND I had to pick one and not do both, then I'd pick wrestling.

I can't remember who said it, but it was someone on here, anyway it was to do with access. Judo is much, much more prevalent in Ireland than Freestyle or Greco, ergo the standard is higher, there are more bodies to train with, there is a very high standard of coaching and there are loads of clubs competing at a high level. So no matter how much better Greco or Freestyle are for MMA, you're likely to get much better training for the clinch from Judo if you live in Dublin, or Belmullet, or Clonrickart.

The same goes for BJJ. No what Bas, or Severn or anyone else thinks (Barnett seems to bring BJJ vs. Wrestling up in every interview) is academic as they don't live in Ireland. We have next to no wrestling here, and are not likely to have any Olympians, we have good BJJ and growing. So what's the best things to train in for MMA in IRELAND?

Muay Thai
Boxing
Judo
BJJ

Word!

Pingu · 14-05-2008 03:59PM

Being new to this mma thingy, as shown by my lovely standing feotal defense :pac: i'll just respond to Jon's mindset thing, from chatting to Vladimir Pogodin, Manager of RTT last november he reckoned in Combat Sambo, not a million miles from mma, that it was completely about mindset - where no matter what the damage they took that they kept going - basiclly balls.

Although, in saying that all bar one pulled out of fighting Fedor, the guy that fought him was huge and looked an absolute mess after it.

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