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[Project] SFF
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11-03-2008 10:57pm#1I decided to build my first Small Form Factor PC, well my second if you count this beast i built for Jack Bauer
Anyway.......
I will be building in June after my Exams, but I will posting plans / components in this thread until the building commences..
Planned Specs:
Shuttle SX48P2 Deluxe
Core 2 Quad Q6600 or Q9450
4gigs Mushkin PC-6400
8800gts 512 or or whatever is similary priced at the time
2 x WD T7k500s
Slot load DVD drive
Initially it will be aircooled and I will be replacing all the stock fans with Noctua / Noiseblocker fans..
I may watercool it depending on the performance of the aircooling setup (which seems pretty good as people have E8400s at 4ghz in the SP35P2 Pro) and thats already in the planning stages:
I also hope to fit a 7" LCD that i salvavged from a broken portable DVD player, it has a composite input and its 12v so it will be very easy to integrate it
Heres the first shipment of stuff:
Shiny!
Noctua fans
Thats all for now
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Ah yes, I remember now, I even posted in that thread
He did a nice job, I was considering the Swiftech H20 220 kit, but the fact that the Shuttle doesn't use the standard LGA 775 mounting system, I will need to make a bracket, and it would be harder to make a bracket for it seen as the pump is part of the block....
The beauty of the Swiftech kit is there was only 2 components.. Where am i going to fit a pump and a res and a rad in the Shuttle 0 -
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conzymaher wrote: »
did u use solidworks for this ? nice job if you did
also can you give some more views 0 -
Its just Google Sketchup
My drawing is on the family PC so I will get it tomorrow and show you some more angles, Its great for planning a mod, You can see if things are going to fit or not before Dremeling for 3 hours
**edit**Bah, the edit button from the first post is gone
I was contemplating Crossfire 3850s instead of a single 8800gts 512 as they perform better than an 8800Ultra in most games! and consume less power than an Ultra too Any thoughts? The fact that they would be single cards and wouldn't exhaust could lead to heat problems 
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I can get two 512mb 3850s for only 242 euro
thats > 8800Ultra performance for half the price
http://overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-085-OK0 -
In another thread Kamakazi recommended the Lian Li SFF cases, and the V350 looks awesome, it would also be so much more moddable than the Shuttle, it has dual 120mm fans at the front and I think a dual rad would fit there nicely...
heres a size comparison:
Damn it, I change my mind so often Project Shuttle may not even be a Shuttle anymore Anyone want to buy a Shuttle bag.......... 0 -
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conzymaher wrote: »I was thinking of the ASUS P5E-VM or the Gigabyte G33M-DS2R, the asus is probably the better overclocker of the two and it looks nicer
Back to a single card so....
Watercooling gear, Suggestions?
ditch the coolent , just get some nuke it biocide i think its called and use deionised water0 -
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A few Asus m-ATX boards blew up, check the relevant thread in XS.
The Gigabyte one is the best, and also has RAID
I have that pump you are planning to get, plus a PA120.2, which I was using on my watercooled m-ATX project, using the same Thermaltake case you have
I had to completely remove all hdd/cd bays to do so, but it worked. And it wasn't my HTPC, it was my main rig, with the watercooled 8800GTX and all.
It was nice for the 3 months that I was using it, but being the impulsive buyer I am, I couldn't keep it for more than that
If you want the pump and rad, I can give you also the plexiglass side panels that I made, with the holes and fittings for the rad on the side. great success 0 -
Thanks for all the input Do you mean the Lian Li case?
I will look into the Gigabyte board, people seem to be having great sucess with the Asus on [H]ard forum though
That rad is also really thick and I don't think a long GFX card would fit, because a 1950pro is even tight with a low profile rad
How much for the pump?0 -
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I saw it a few weeks ago in Peats it looks really nice but its only 114 euros new from OcUk
What shuttle do you have? what do you think of it? I heard lots of horror stories about the new bios(s) one of them killed penryns and the subsequent bios crippled overclocking, presumably to stop people breaking more cpus
The v350 is still very small and offers a lot more freedom0 -
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No, I'm talking about this case; I've made two side panels from Plexiglas, and cut them to accommodate the PA120.2 one side.conzymaher wrote: »Thanks for all the input Do you mean the Lian Li case?
Feck it I don't have any pictures to show you...
I sold the case, but I still have the side panels.
Sure, here's the Gigabyte board running at 500MHz fsb, and here and here is the Asus one trying to do the same...conzymaher wrote: »I will look into the Gigabyte board, people seem to be having great sucess with the Asus on [H]ard forum though
That rad is the king, but this you already know. What you don't know, is that I fit the following inside a TT Lanboy:conzymaher wrote: »That rad is also really thick and I don't think a long GFX card would fit, because a 1950pro is even tight with a low profile rad
PA120.2 (screwed on the case's left side, fans on the inside)
Swiftech MCP655 Variable pump (5 speeds, 1200 lt/h max)
Apogee GT cpu waterblock
EK8800GTX gpu waterblock
Small tank by Eleven
And the mentioned gear (Q6600, 8800GTX, G33M-DS2R, Corsair HX620, 2x SSDisks, 2x 120mm fans, 2x 80mm fans)
The most compact 15k 3dMarks you ever saw
The pump is this one, and I am currently using it with the PA120.2, and get this:conzymaher wrote: »How much for the pump?
(E8500+8800GTX in the loop; had the QX9650@4400 for 24/7 before)
How about a €50 + a full body massage?0 -
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$113 for shipping though, so a total of 751 dollars which is 480 euro....
Its actually not bad considering the rest of the components come to 812 euro..
E8400 / Q6600
4gigs Gskill
8800gts 512
Gigabyte G33M DS2R
Corsair HX520
Hitachi T7K500
So 1290 euro total
P.s Is that rad ok? I would like Chosen's one of it fits!0 -
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go for a swiftech rad as they perform well under "quiter" fans,you will need a top for the ddc ek and petra do ones.beware the Ek supream is very restrictive and is best to be left on its own in a loop , go for a d-tek fuzion,dont bother getting the tubing in the US will double ur postage,I would not advice for you to use a res in the loop as it would take up room why not use a T line,why are you going for a OLd Dd block the new Dd perform better and are nicer also Ek chipset blocks are nice
how much is shiping just for the case ?
you could buy the rest from petra's
andy
Edit:from looking at that case you could fit 2 dual rads in that build with both in the same loop you could cool ur cpu,nb,gfx which would be nice 0 -
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Whats the custom top on the pump for? Just greater performance than the stock top I presume? What about the Laing D5? Its supposed to be quieter i think
Also a chipset block would be nice, and I dont need the fans, Im gonna order so more Noctuas with the case
Also 2 rads?! gtfo one is enough
And why no res? I thought they were easier to bleed / maintain than a T line?0 -
yes with a res it is easier to bleed but where u gona fit a res from the looks of it could fit 2 rads into that case so you could cool ur cpu,gfx,nb one dual on its own would not capalbe of this ,the D5 is nice but again its bigger then the ddc,the tops give quite alarge performence again on the ddcs,if you want a res maby u could go with something like this :
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=167391&highlight=X-RES0 -
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Yeah the D5 seems a lot more powerful and quieter too
You sure a dual rad isnt up to it? The NB makes feck all heat and Chosen had a Heavily overclocked Quad and an 8800GTX on a dual rad, granted it was a beefier rad but still a single 120mm rad is good for dissipating 120-175 watts of heat so a dual rad should be well able to handle an overclocked Quad ~ 140watts and an overclocked 8800 is similar....
I will email PC Design Labs and see if the PA120.2 fits anyway 0 -
conzymaher wrote: »Yeah the D5 seems a lot more powerful and quieter too
You sure a dual rad isnt up to it? The NB makes feck all heat and Chosen had a Heavily overclocked Quad and an 8800GTX on a dual rad, granted it was a beefier rad but still a single 120mm rad is good for dissipating 120-175 watts of heat so a dual rad should be well able to handle an overclocked Quad ~ 140watts and an overclocked 8800 is similar....
I will email PC Design Labs and see if the PA120.2 fits anyway
A ddc 3.2 18w is more powerfull then a d5 and belive me D5's are very loud when set passed 2.0 -
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i could stick a HR-03 on the GTS but that would ruin all the fun
I used that flow estimation thingy lastnight and got 1.88 GPM for the following:
4' of 7/16" tubing
D-tek Fuzion
Swiftech MCW-60
Swiftech MCW-30
Swiftech MCR-220 rad
Laing DDC with the EK top (which is the closest to the Petras top)
Res
Thats a lot of flow
Also the case is 1 cubic foot, so with 3 50CFM fans thats 150 cubic feet or so passing through the case every minute, which means every half second or so all the air in the case will be replaced...
I would be pretty damn confident in a dual rad cooling a Quad a GTS and a Chipset, I may go for the E8400 if you can really convince me that its to much for that rad :P0 -
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But they will just say "omg Stacker LOL 3 triple rads"
*edit* Posted the thread on XS
And pre-ordered the QMicra, 4-6 weeks... The guy is sound, Unfortunately the PA120.2 wont fit, but the MCR220 or Black Ice Pro 2 fit perfectly...
Ok I have found a handful of QMicra builds with 8800GTX / Ultra and overclocked Quads, all with decent temps 0 -
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